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Old 04-11-2021, 08:50 AM   #1
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Accepted offer, Mainship 390. Have questions!

Howdy! My wife and I have an accepted offer on a 2001 Mainship 390. We are super excited, and got to actually see her on Friday for about 4 hours. Yes, we put together an offer on the boat without seeing it....also using a buyer's broker. If you really want an "in demand" boat right now, you should consider doing the same!

The survey is scheduled for about 3 weeks from now, and sea trial hopefully shortly after. I'm looking for help/opinions on a few big items. The basics of the boat:

2001 Mainship 390
- Yanmar 6LP-STE 300HP, 15xx hours. NOT affected by the Yanmar valve issue.
- Kohler 8KW gen, 114 hours
- Freshwater only. 2nd owner. 300 hours 1st owner. 15xx hours now.
(there's obviously more but this is all for now)
- The boat has been on the hard since Fall 2019. Inside, heated storage the entire time.

Like every boat, there is a story. I believe this is a good one, but have some questions and looking for guidance. The former owner is unavailable, but I have a ton of service records and more on the way. Trying to organize this in a "important stuff first" and will add pictures if I have them. Thanks in advance for your help!

Grounding event, August 2018
Insurance repair. Trying to get more details and pictures, but here is what I know:
- 100 hours of fiberglass repair and woodworking
- 1/2 gallon west system hardner
- 32oz 105 resin
- Qty. "4" fiberglass - biaxial cloth/ per ft.
- 1.5 gal seahawk AF33 bottom paint
- Rudder, prop and shaft removed. Prop and shaft sent out for repair.
- Shaft replaced..maybe? Is $1000 enough to replace a shaft?

Hoping I can get more details, but based on the data above, how big of a deal was this? Obviously this will be a focus of the survey.

Monster bilge pump, maybe installed after the above event?
- Johnson Pump 4000. Were these stock, or is this added? I've never seen a pump so big, the picture does not do it justice. It's HUGE!


The swim platform
- Has one access panel. Opened and it was sealed well. Like opening a can of peanuts...you know, that sealed sound? It's been out of the water since Fall 2019. It was very moist, and the bilge pump was trying to run. Check valve holding water, bilge pump trying to pump every few mins.
- Listed as "Reinforced swim platform and resealed in 2014"

The access - Is this stock? I thought there were supposed to be 3? (Mainship issue, used to be foam filled, removed foam and did something back in 2002?)


The inside - So, it was wet, after a whole season of being out of the water, inside heated storage? So it's sealed really well? Or it does leak, and the water can't get out? Also, note the cruddy wiring job to the bilge pump using what I'm assuming is solid core household wiring. Yep, on the list to fix.

I've read so much on these platforms. Some are supposed to drain into the main bilge. Some are not, that's what the pump is for. Not sure how to feel about this one.

Port sliding windows frozen shut
- These windows...circled in yellow -
- Frozen means they move a little, but it seems to me the sliding tracks, the felt-like soft window sealing stuff? It's hard, and the windows don't open. I didn't try too hard, but almost feel if I had been able to get it wet, they would move. The windows on the other side move fine. Maybe this was the side open to the weather in the slip?

Autopilot "thingy"
This -
Look at the attachment point to the rudder post. This HAS to be just an indicator device for the AP, right? 2 hose clamps and a weak looking piece of aluminum can't be the autopilot steering. Am I correct this is the indicator?

Hoses from Kohler Generator up through step to AC/Heat?
These hoses run from the gen up to under the step, which I believe houses the salon AC/Heat unit. Yes, I see the hoses are cracked a bit. I should replace, right? The black hoses with green stripes:

Is this the heat? Or to assist the heat?

Those are the main items I have for now. I've got lots of documentation to go through, this owner was on top of it and did a lot to keep this boat in great shape. Once we are "final final" I'll tell the larger story...and yes with tons more pics. Thank you all for your advice!

If you think of any other problem areas I should dig into, I'd love your thoughts!

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Old 04-11-2021, 10:36 AM   #2
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What little I can help you with.
The wiring to the platform pump looks to be OK. Red and black are for marine use. Red is + and black -.
No worriers on the AP. That's a rudder position indicator. Not the best setup but as long as it doesn't slip on the rudder shaft it should work.
FWIW somebody installed a huge bilge pump on our 85 Mk III too. It's back in the lazarette.
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Old 04-11-2021, 11:58 AM   #3
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Hi Mncruiser,

I'm assuming the pictures you provided were taken by your buyer's broker, and if I understand it correctly, you've never set foot aboard?

I suggest you attach yourself to your surveyor's hip, and follow him 100% of the time throughout the boat during your survey process. Forward whatever pictures you have to him ahead of time, and alert him to your issues/questions/concerns in advance. MAKE SURE he answers these issues to your satisfaction. In addition, I would insist your buyer's broker accompany you on your survey. And alert him, as well, to your issues, and elicit his support in their resolution.

And rest assured, a competent surveyor will turn up a BUNCH of issues you haven't even thought about, or tumbled to on whatever remote inspection of the boat you've accomplished to date. Neither broker is necessarily your friend in any remote sale such as this, but your surveyor IS.

Nor can a bunch of unknowns on a forum such as this provide much in the way of actual assistance. While there is a lot of collective knowledge on this forum, none of us has skin in your game, nor our boots and eyeballs aboard, so our ability to actually provide substantive help is negligible.

And pay attention to what your surveyor conveys to you. You're paying for his time and expertise-USE IT! He may be the only unbiased party in this dance!

In my opinion, it's impossible to adequately assess a boat remotely, as your own personal MK 1 eyeballs are really the only ground truth you have in this purchase. And, your other senses as well. How does the boat smell? What is the fit and finish? How does it fit you and your family's expectations of size and function? All those intangibles that cannot be answered without "boots on the ground". YOUR boots!

Best of luck in this boat-buying "process". Hopefully you won't be swayed by any pressures to buy immediately, due to some perception (or sales pitch) of a seller's market. There's LOTS of boats out there, one of which has your name on it. It may not be THIS one, so don't fall in love just yet.

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Old 04-11-2021, 12:31 PM   #4
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Hi Mncruiser,

I'm assuming the pictures you provided were taken by your buyer's broker, and if I understand it correctly, you've never set foot aboard?
Thanks for the reply. That's incorrect, the pictures are mine, we spent about 4 hours on the boat Friday.

All great points on the survey, and that is my plan, I'll be following him around a lot.

I'll have to disagree with you a little bit....I've found the opinions of the members here to be extremely valuable....even when I disagree and don't listen to them, I value the thoughts of many who have been through this many, many times before me. Don't discount yourself and your experience here not being able to help people. I've received MUCH here for years, and when I can, try to return the favor!

In no way am I making a decision to purchase based on a few questions answered here. In fact, there are about 100 (or more) other questions that will be answered by another trip by me the day before the survey, during the survey, the report of the survey, and the following sea trial. These were just a few big items I'd like to get some thoughts on.

There is a ton of data and background I'm leaving out here....I would not have done this deal if I didn't believe the upside was not significant. At this point I don't feel it's appropriate to share those details out of respect for the seller and their agent.

Thanks again!
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I don't see anything in the photos or your explanation that makes me think "Run". In fact, quite the opposite. Everything looks very clean and shipshape. Every boat needs some small repairs and fine tuning.

I wish you would have mentioned the price. Is it high, medium or low? could make a difference.

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The grounding event would be a concern but apparently it was professionally repaired so probably better than original. Sounds like the grounding pushed the strut through. That would account for the high labor amount and the low fiberglass material amount. You could replace a shaft for $1000 in 2018 but might be 3X that today.

If it was the strut a lot of water entered the boat and it probably sank in place. Any owner seeing the water fountain would probably install 2 Johnson 4000's.

I would be extra thorough checking the tabbing around stringers and around rudder shaft supports. A hard grounding can flex the whole hull and separate the tabbing. A borescope and bright led flashlight will be very helpful.
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I wish you would have mentioned the price. Is it high, medium or low? could make a difference.

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Old 04-11-2021, 06:18 PM   #8
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I don't see anything in the photos or your explanation that makes me think "Run". In fact, quite the opposite. Everything looks very clean and shipshape. Every boat needs some small repairs and fine tuning.

I wish you would have mentioned the price. Is it high, medium or low? could make a difference.

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Pete, Iíd say based on the full details and current comps., price is medium. But in general the market is high. Maybe itís high compared to 2 years ago.

But since líll be boating near you (Bayfield) the right boat in the right place meant even if it is high, Iím ok with it. Freshwater only boat, 2-3 days voyage from Bayfield was a positive. The alternative being saltwater, writing a large check to get it on a truck was not attractive.

A month voyage up rivers or through lakes from east coast isnít an option for me right now.

This was one of the target boats I had wanted. When I described it to many brokers, they laughed at me with a ďneverĒ tone.

I feel like extremely lucky. The survey will tell me if thatís correct or not!
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The grounding event would be a concern but apparently it was professionally repaired so probably better than original. Sounds like the grounding pushed the strut through. That would account for the high labor amount and the low fiberglass material amount. You could replace a shaft for $1000 in 2018 but might be 3X that today.

If it was the strut a lot of water entered the boat and it probably sank in place. Any owner seeing the water fountain would probably install 2 Johnson 4000's.

I would be extra thorough checking the tabbing around stringers and around rudder shaft supports. A hard grounding can flex the whole hull and separate the tabbing. A borescope and bright led flashlight will be very helpful.


Agreed, and thank you for the tips. The surveyor is well aware and it is a major focus.

We will also be trying to get specifics about the grounding event. It doesnít appear it was sunk.

Thanks!
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Looks like a nice boat. It's hard to beat great lakes with indoor heated storage.

I'm sure your surveyor will sound out the flybridge floor and the decks. These boats are getting to the age where soft spots start showing up. Not the end of the world, generally.

I'm curious about the coolant lines running from the genset. No idea where they would go...

Hope it all works out.
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We followed a very similar path with our 2006 34 T, close to home, 250 hours, one owner, fresh water, and jumped on it as very rare in Minnesota. No regrets, had a good surveyor who found some minor mechanical issues which we addressed. Does have one soft spot on flybridge behind aft seat, so check carefully, surveyor missed it. Into year 2 now based out of Prescott, love the range and fuel economy, and sparks coversation as Marinas are full of gas hog cruisers dime a dozen.
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We followed a very similar path with our 2006 34 T, close to home, 250 hours, one owner, fresh water, and jumped on it as very rare in Minnesota. No regrets, had a good surveyor who found some minor mechanical issues which we addressed. Does have one soft spot on flybridge behind aft seat, so check carefully, surveyor missed it. Into year 2 now based out of Prescott, love the range and fuel economy, and sparks coversation as Marinas are full of gas hog cruisers dime a dozen.


I know your boat! I used to be in Miss Croix, I was in the small harbor near Markís office. We sold last year.

I admired your boat often, Iím the ďwifi guyĒ and Iím either loved or hated depending on your signal! We put up an AP nearly right in front of your boat!

Iíll stop by next time Iím down checking on things!
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Join and post questions to M owners group. Be sure surveyor is SAMS or NAMS qualified. May get M specific comments on owners group.
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Join and post questions to M owners group. Be sure surveyor is SAMS or NAMS qualified. May get M specific comments on owners group.


The Mainship Owners group here or on Facebook? Or somewhere else?

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Also scan through the Marlow Mainship section as it essentially all MS.
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Mainship 390

Where have I seen curtains like that before?! LOL Love the teak and holly sole. We missed out on that feature in ours.

Looks clean... lots of good advice responses to your post, which I agree with.

All I can add:
We closed on a 2000 last July. Loving it. So long as the foam is out of the swim platform, you should be good to go on that part of this. We are the third owner, and oddly both of the previous owners did NOT have the foam removed. All one did was put a gabbard plug to drain the thing every fall?!?! So anyway, fixing that was the first thing I had done immediately after closing. (Found a fellow who had done this before on 2 or 3 other MS390s! So, he knew exactly what to do.) I installed a Seaflo Dry Bilge System pickup in ours when he was done.

Thanks to Bacchus and MNCruiser for tip on the Marlow Mainship Forum; somehow I have been missing out on that.

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Hi there;

We have a 2003 Mainship 390. In case someone hasn't already answered the "Monster Bilge Pump" is the high water bilge pump and I believe it is stock.
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We have a 2003 Mainship 390. In case someone hasn't already answered the "Monster Bilge Pump" is the high water bilge pump and I believe it is stock.



Same comment as above. My 34 Mainship Pilot had the same setup, plus there was a high water bilge alarm at the helm that would sound and flash when the monster pump went on.
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We had a 2002 Mainship 390, single Yanmar 315. Really enjoyed that vessel. There were some issues with the swim platform (not with ours) filling up with water. That may be a reason for the hatch. Beyond that I do not remember having any issues with the design or manufacture.

Enjoy your new Mainship 390, I know that we did!
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