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Old 06-21-2020, 10:52 PM   #1
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ABYC codes

I am about to take possession of my Uniflite 42. After inventory (and if I'm lucky), I expect I'll have a bit of remedial wiring to do. (If I'm not so lucky, I'll have a LOT of remedial wiring to do.)

I'd like to have a copy of the ABYC electrical codes to help with the work and I can't find a single collection of "electrical standards" that covers the entire vessel. They sell them piecemeal at $50 a pop which would be about $500.

A-16 Electric Navigation Lights $50
A-27 Alternating Current (AC) Generator Sets $50
A-28 Galvanic Isolators $50

etc...

https://abycinc.org/page/StandardsSupp58

Is there a place to get a full copy of the electrical standards? It seems they'd be readily & easily available so maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

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Old 06-22-2020, 06:22 AM   #2
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Mr. T. MY $.02...Do what is necessary as advised by your surveyor. AYBC "codes" are suggestions ONLY. IF the surveyor OK's the electrical, you're good to go with your insurance company. I would suggest getting the newest copy of Calder's book and refer to that for your refurbishments. https://www.amazon.com/Boatowners-Me.../dp/0071790330
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Mr. T. MY $.02...Do what is necessary as advised by your surveyor. AYBC "codes" are suggestions ONLY. IF the surveyor OK's the electrical, you're good to go with your insurance company. I would suggest getting the newest copy of Calder's book and refer to that for your refurbishments. https://www.amazon.com/Boatowners-Me.../dp/0071790330
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I don't know that you really need an ABYC guide to do electrical. Understand the basic principals of installation (crimping, sealing, retaining, abrasion prevention). Understand how to size and fuse properly for load and distance.
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I was an electrical engineer in a former life and I have to agree with other repliers that the ABYC codes are written like Gov regs and not so easy to use in a practical setting, whereas the Calder book is much more practical and affordable.
I'd recommend a full assortment of the heat-shrink self-adhesive butt connectors of varying size, a good ratcheting crimper, and a good wire stripper.
One more thing if you don't have it: I'd recommend an electric label maker so you can label everything as you go along, these are priceless on a boat
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In addition to Calder's book take a look at "Boat Owner's Illustrated Electrical Handbook" by Charlie Wing.

You'll be buying hardware. Hard to go wrong with Blue Seas hardware. Their web site and downloadable catalog are a wealth of information.

MarineHowTo.com is another great resource.

Regarding ABYC being "suggestions". It is correct ABYC standards are not law. However many surveyors inspect to current ABYC standards, insurance companies then expect you to correct the surveyor's findings to ABYC standards. In my opinion it's easier to follow ABYC standards as I go along than "correct defeciencis" after the survey.
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I am about to take possession of my Uniflite 42. After inventory (and if I'm lucky), I expect I'll have a bit of remedial wiring to do. (If I'm not so lucky, I'll have a LOT of remedial wiring to do.)

I'd like to have a copy of the ABYC electrical codes to help with the work and I can't find a single collection of "electrical standards" that covers the entire vessel. They sell them piecemeal at $50 a pop which would be about $500.

A-16 Electric Navigation Lights $50
A-27 Alternating Current (AC) Generator Sets $50
A-28 Galvanic Isolators $50

etc...

https://abycinc.org/page/StandardsSupp58

Is there a place to get a full copy of the electrical standards? It seems they'd be readily & easily available so maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

Tak
Ps. Also I can't figure out why my profile picture doesn't show up in my posts. I have the right size png file uploaded and have the "show profile picture" checked.
This is one thing I really have against the ABYC standards. As a boat owner, wanting to have the actual list of standards even if they do read like government regulations was something I wanted as well and also looked for. You have to rely on hearsay and third party interpretations which is annoying unless you want to spend several thousand dollars to buy all the applicable standards, with the electrical alone at more than $500 as the OP states. Something reasonably priced for the boat owner/ DIY straight from the source that covered most things a boat owner might work with (Electrical, through hulls, plumbing, etc...) would sure be nice.
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If you research a particular subject enough...sooner or later you get an appropriate excerpt from the ABYC standards.


I believe Blue Sea has some online as well as Paneltronics .... https://www.paneltronics.com/Technical.asp?op=ABYC


There are other sources like when our member Boatpoker was discussing propane system installs....or just what some member quotes from something they had and several reputable members verify it (fact? no but good enough depending one the members)
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This is one thing I really have against the ABYC standards. As a boat owner, wanting to have the actual list of standards even if they do read like government regulations was something I wanted as well and also looked for. You have to rely on hearsay and third party interpretations which is annoying unless you want to spend several thousand dollars to buy all the applicable standards, with the electrical alone at more than $500 as the OP states. Something reasonably priced for the boat owner/ DIY straight from the source that covered most things a boat owner might work with (Electrical, through hulls, plumbing, etc...) would sure be nice.
Books like Calder's and Wing's fulfill that very purpose, as does https://marinehowto.com/.

I'd have to say 500 bucks doesn't sound unreasonable for the whole of AYBC's standards. Given other expert resources such as those mentioned, I rate them a "nice to have" for the amateur yachtsman, such as me.
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Books like Calder's and Wing's fulfill that very purpose, as does https://marinehowto.com/.

I'd have to say 500 bucks doesn't sound unreasonable for the whole of AYBC's standards. Given other expert resources such as those mentioned, I rate them a "nice to have" for the amateur yachtsman, such as me.
$500 barely covers electrical. If it was for the whole of them, I could agree. I don't know how much the whole of them would cost. I have all of the resources mentioned above, most are excellent and have a reasonable estimation of what the standards are for most things I deal with, but that's not the same as having the actual standards. I'm surprised the government hasn't stepped in and created a set of standards, regulations and enforcement like they have with other transport industries. (Auto, Aviation, etc...)
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One might think as often as insurance companies want you to follow these guidelines....they would somehow make them accessible to you....it's in their best interest.
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One more thing if you don't have it: I'd recommend an electric label maker so you can label everything as you go along, these are priceless on a boat

Sledge, is there a particular label maker/labels that withstand the moisture and heat of the engine room?


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Thanks Psneeld. Very helpful.
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I have used a Brother P-touch 1000 label maker as well, directly on high heat things like oil filters and heat exchanger tanks, intercoolers, etc to note hours and date of servicing. Not to mention a variety of other ER things.
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