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08-01-2017, 05:12 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
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1982 Marine Trader Europe drive shaft
Ok this might not be known but got to try. My Marine Trader 1982 Europe was taking on water and I couldn't find where. I added lots of bright LEDs down in the engine room and found it. Was seaping right up through the glass under the shower pan. So it's right over the packing gland. This just what I'm thinking. Have it out on the hard to figure it out. Just have to get a Propeller puller and I'll have the shaft out of there. Checked the bottom no cracks. Is there a tube that runs from the cutlass to the packing? Maybe that broke in the keal. Two bolts fell or rusted off the plate that bolts to the bottom of the boat. I busted the other two easily I might add. I have lots of pictures. Need to fix this. I was going to epoxy the floor but that's not the problem. Think the tube that runs from the back to the packing might have broke. Who knows?.....
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08-01-2017, 06:22 PM
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Senior Member
City: Punta Gorda, Florida
Vessel Name: Salty
Vessel Model: Fu Hwa 34 Europa
Join Date: Jul 2015
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I would suspect the weak/broken bolts could be at least some of the problem. I just had my boat on the hard and had small leaks around swim platform bolts. All of them were either seriously corroded or snapped when I put a wrench on them. Rebedded new stainless bolts and leak solved. You might get lucky too
John
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08-01-2017, 06:24 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
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So is there a pipe in there that the shaft spins in and needs to keep water tight?
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08-01-2017, 06:25 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Once I pull the Propeller off and the shaft is out maybe I can use one of those small cameras to see.
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08-01-2017, 06:40 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Vero Beach
Vessel Name: Lucky Dog
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 94
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In most cases, there is shaft tube.
It's a fiberglass tube that goes from the cutlass bearing to the packing gland, sticks out a little bit each side. When building the boat, that tube is aligned then heavily fiberglassed around at least at each end. With a single engine, sometimes, glass and resin is poured all around the tube.
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08-01-2017, 06:46 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Mine looks metal but I'll look when I pull the shaft. So it's supposed to keep the water in the tube and not in the keel. I think water was coming up into the keel too. So maybe I have to cut it open and fix the fiberglass tube?
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08-01-2017, 07:46 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Greetings,
Mr. db. I think some shaft tubes were indeed metal. A possible fix may be to source a fiberglass tube with the OD very slightly smaller than the ID of your metal tube and glue the fiberglass tube into the potentially leaking metal tube IF you have the shaft clearance. A new "liner" as it were...
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08-01-2017, 07:51 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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That sucks. So I have to fix my tube.
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08-01-2017, 07:53 PM
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Guru
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,168
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Mine was brass and had pin holes. Had a new one machined. All good
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08-01-2017, 07:56 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Do you have a marine trader? So you took the inter plate off and took off the rudder to remove the whole assembly ?
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08-01-2017, 08:50 PM
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Guru
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,168
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Yes marine trader
There was a hole in the rudder that allowed the prop shaft to pass through. Remove the bolts and unscrew the Cutlass bearing carrier off the keel and then unscrew the sten tube which is threaded into the fixture the held the shaft packing
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08-02-2017, 05:55 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
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"With a single engine, sometimes, glass and resin is poured all around the tube."
Some simply filled the space with concrete.
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08-02-2017, 09:58 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Jan 2010
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Yes the one I had was filler with grey stones and resin
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08-02-2017, 10:27 AM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Quote:
Originally Posted by motion30
Yes the one I had was filler with grey stones and resin
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Yes mine is full of grey stones too. Don't think much resin though. Lots of oil in there too. Guess it's just like yours. To get that tube out you have to pull the rudder? To big around to fit through the hole in the rudder. Just trying to find out as much as I can. I have pictures but don't know if I can post them. Might help someone later on.  
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08-02-2017, 12:46 PM
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Guru
Join Date: Jan 2010
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I never pulled the rudder. I forget if the tube came out from the inside or out. It was not very long. 40 inches maybe
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08-02-2017, 02:08 PM
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Guru
City: Trenton
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,499
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Don't fear pulling the rudder. It's not that hard. Take lots of pictures of the quadrant and steering gear. Remembering how to put it together can be tough. The pictures make it all clear.
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34' Marine Trader
"Angelina"
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08-02-2017, 02:10 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Mine has hydraulic steering so not to tough.
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08-02-2017, 02:13 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Think there's a rotted hole in my tube so yes the rudder has to come off. You can look in the end and see where the water is coming out of not to much up from the rudder end.
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08-02-2017, 07:20 PM
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 82
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Hey DB have you seen the shaft log (tube) yet? Is it metal or fiber glass? I've seen both worked on.
mike
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08-02-2017, 07:36 PM
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Senior Member
City: Port Charlotte FL
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 239
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Metal. And looks to be leaking not far from the rudder end. Can see the water coming in.
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