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Old 07-16-2021, 10:49 AM   #141
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I'd expect them to use the ArriveCAN app, and would expect they would migrate to something better than a photo of the vax card. I can print those at home and there is a bit of a market doing that and selling them. A doctor just got arrested here for providing some sort of bogus homeopathic "vaccine" and supplying bogus cards to go with them. If you got the real thing, there is a real medical record of it.

I'm also hoping that Canada will retain the ArriveCAN app in the future and use it like the CBPRoam app. It is certainly convenient in places like Rupert-Ketchikan.
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I would love it if Canada would allow fully vaccinated US citizens entry by mid-August. Iím scheduled to take a two week vacation at the end of August/beginning of Sept. Iíd love be to be able to return to BC waters.

I hope to see you there. I'm leaving for the boat tomorrow; plan to be afloat until September 1 at least.
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Old 07-16-2021, 12:55 PM   #143
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I'd expect them to use the ArriveCAN app, and would expect they would migrate to something better than a photo of the vax card. I can print those at home and there is a bit of a market doing that and selling them. A doctor just got arrested here for providing some sort of bogus homeopathic "vaccine" and supplying bogus cards to go with them. If you got the real thing, there is a real medical record of it.

I'm also hoping that Canada will retain the ArriveCAN app in the future and use it like the CBPRoam app. It is certainly convenient in places like Rupert-Ketchikan.
I like the app as well. We in BC have electronic health records we can access, just not integrated with the Feds. I am pretty sure we will see a vaccination passport of some form or another. Getting two countries to agree is hard enough. Hard to imagine getting the world to agree.

My wifes record is a handwritten card (from the Province). Mine (from a private pharmacy) is a bunch of stickers stuck to a ripped off piece of paper, with one sticker taken right off the vial, the other is an actual prescription. Hers was done early on as she is a healthcare worker, and really isn't very convincing, and would be easy to duplicate. Mine has a bit of credibility, because no one would forge something so crude.
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American society and individual freedoms

In the United States there is am emphasis on individual freedoms. Free speech, freedom to carry guns, freedom to not vaccinate. Unfortunately these freedoms come with consequences. Incitement of riots and factual misrepresentation, increased gun violence and increased virus spread. So if Canada insists on a covid test and two vaccines then there may be a lot of disappointed Americans, who aren't vaccinated and who don't have their freedoms accepted as they are escorted back across the border.
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Old 07-16-2021, 03:41 PM   #145
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Freedom to choose comes with owning the consequences and ramification of your choices. If an anti-vaxxer complains about not being allowed into Canada or anywhere else, well, own it. Itís your choice.
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Old 07-16-2021, 04:10 PM   #146
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Freedom to choose comes with owning the consequences and ramification of your choices. If an anti-vaxxer complains about not being allowed into Canada or anywhere else, well, own it. Itís your choice.
+1 And not in a mean spirited way. Just with choice, comes outcomes (consequences). "Not very often do we "get it all" the way we want".
In this case, if someone wants to exercise what they see as their right to not vaccinate, and a Country decides that because of that choice they do not want to risk you visiting, then so be it. Your choice, their choice. There are many reasons why a person might not be allowed into a particular Country.
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As a US born citizen I am not required to have any id other than the birth certificate that was issued when I was born. I am not required by law to have a copy of it.

Granted, if I want certain privileges then I need to have it. If I want to drive, get a professional license, get married, run for office, serve in the military, rent or buy a house etc, get a job, etc....

If I want to leave the US and enter another country, I need a passport and likely proof of vaccination.

My vaccine Record is a hand written card. My first dose was in December as a health care provider. However I can download an official record from the WA State Dept of Health. I wish there was some sort of Federal Record, but that is a political problem so it another area where politics trump's public health.
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Old 07-18-2021, 01:31 AM   #148
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And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.
And won't be allowed into Canada. Your choice, of course. Have no desire to enter Canada? Then none of this matters to you. Canada gets to do what they want for Canada. None of our (US) business.
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Old 07-18-2021, 01:33 AM   #149
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And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.
How will they verify? Simple, by any means CANADA determines satisfy THEIR requirements. Can't meet their requirements? Well, you won't be allowed in.
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Old 07-18-2021, 02:42 AM   #150
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[QUOTE=psneeld;1008424...I think that's Florida's view on not even requiring cards anywhere/anytime...and maybe the rest of the world may sit back and see how well it does or doesn't work....[/QUOTE]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53357742

The headline for that article:

"Coronavirus: How did Florida get so badly hit by Covid-19?"
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Old 07-18-2021, 02:58 AM   #151
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"Vax deniers"? Hmmm. I call them freedom and liberty lovers..... .
The problem with that philosophy is the people who love "freedom and liberty" are going to cause us all to have to live with mask requirements and lockdowns again because Covid is making a resurgence. The dominant strain right now is the Delta variant and the vaccines are fairly effective against that, (but not as effective as it was against the original ) but eventually the virus will evolve to the point where we are right back in full pandemic mode again.

I hope I am wrong, but I foresee the following: The vaccines eventually get full FDA approval and then become required for school attendance, healthcare workers, food handlers etc. Those requirements will force enough people to get vaccinated that we eventually reach 70-80% vaccinated. Unfortunately the vaccine will prove ineffective by then and a new vaccine ( or a booster ) will be required. The anti-vax crowd will see this as vindication and even less people will get on board with vaccine 2.0 and then we will all be royally screwed!
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Old 07-18-2021, 03:27 AM   #152
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And how will they verify?
I am not vaccinated and will not be.

I assume the CDC verification doc will suffice. Lots of nice areas for you to boat in US waters. Me, I'm going to Canada!


Oh, and I read somewhere recently where a couple tried to travel using forged CDC vaccination records . . . were caught, . . . . and are facing some pretty substantial fines, along with mandatory quarantine. Couple was given the option of paying for quarantine themselves, or being put up in the local jail for the specified quarantine time. Chose wisely . . . .
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I assume the CDC verification doc will suffice. Lots of nice areas for you to boat in US waters. Me, I'm going to Canada!


Oh, and I read somewhere recently where a couple tried to travel using forged CDC vaccination records . . . were caught, . . . . and are facing some pretty substantial fines, along with mandatory quarantine. Couple was given the option of paying for quarantine themselves, or being put up in the local jail for the specified quarantine time. Chose wisely . . . .
This is all I have. The CDC card is being easily forged. The state of WA certificate of vaccination less so and is easily verified at the Dept of Health website. Click image for larger version

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Old 07-18-2021, 05:33 PM   #154
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US citizens who have a prior DUI/DWI arrest are not allowed into Canada. When you present your passport at the border as you enter Canada somehow the Canadian authorities can check to see if you have been arrested for DUI/DWI. If you have they deny you entry and you must return to the US.

I assume they will soon have a similar ability to check your vaccination record before you are allowed.
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Old 07-18-2021, 05:40 PM   #155
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This is all I have. The CDC card is being easily forged. The state of WA certificate of vaccination less so and is easily verified at the Dept of Health website. Attachment 119425Attachment 119426
Passports, Nexus, enhanced drivers license all carry additional vetting to obtain. Why cannot those documents identify a vaccinated person?
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This is all I have. The CDC card is being easily forged. The state of WA certificate of vaccination less so and is easily verified at the Dept of Health website. Attachment 119425Attachment 119426

Dave, where did you get the WA certificate? I was vaccinated in WA and just have the CDC cards. Not even a single card, a separate one for each shot.
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I hope CA also comes out with a more formal card like WA.

Los Angeles County announced masking is back for indoors (everyone, vax or not) due to the Delta Variant spread among the unvaccinated. Other counties will likely being doing the same.

I guess we should at least be thankful there was no social media or rogue TV channels spreading fear and misinformation for their own gain when polio was making the rounds and the vax for that came out. Our new normal. Pretty sad state of affairs actually.
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It looks like the border opens to fully vaxxed Americans on Aug 9

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/world...ing/index.html
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It was a just a question.
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Dave, where did you get the WA certificate? I was vaccinated in WA and just have the CDC cards. Not even a single card, a separate one for each shot.


You need to log into the WA State Dept of Health website.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/YouandYourFam...nInformation#1
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