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Old 01-31-2020, 10:56 PM   #1
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NY Canal 2020 Permit Fees Waived

Good News again for 2020.

Recreational Vessel Permit Fees Waived for the 2020 Navigation Season

Today, January 31, 2020, ny.canal.gov announced that Mariners are advised that fees for recreational vessels have been waived for the 2020 Navigation Season.
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Thank you very much New York, every little bit is appreciated. Erie and Oswego canals this summer.

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Mr. LM. I think for very many years upstate NY was forgotten by Albany (NY state capital) and was an economically depressed area. A number of years back, the state poured a lot of money into the Erie Canal system and as a result it became a really nice cruising/destination area. Perhaps the NY canal authority is looking to boost revenues for those towns and villages along the canals by eliminating fees. Just a WAG.


We transited the Erie/Oswego canals about 25 years ago and it was not particularly nice. Run down facilities and seedy waterfronts. I can't comment as to the conditions now but word on the street is it is VERY nice.



Interesting that I vaguely recall the lock station in Fulton NY seemed to have been run by Hell's Angels. Robust bikers complete with tat's, headbands and riding boots. Sort of a scene out of a Mad Max movie. Nice guys though...
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How much were the fees that were waived?
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How much were the fees that were waived?
Last time they charged (2016), fees for recreational use were as listed here: Tolls, Passes and Permits – Discover the Erie Canal

The official fees page indicates no fees through 2021 (so 5 years of no fees starting in 2017).


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Thank you very much New York, every little bit is appreciated. Erie and Oswego canals this summer.

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Give a wave as you head through the Rochester area!
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Canal fees have been waived since the NY Power Authority took over the operation in 2017, as stated above. Some of you may know of the "reimagining" of the canal. The AGLCA has been involved in this as I am sure some other organizations may have been also. There was a questionnaire for us boaters to fill out on how we use the canal system. There were some fears that the state might veer away from the canal as a viable transportation corridor in favor of support of recreational activities like canoes, kayaks and paddleboards. I hope those fears are behind us.
I love the canal. Having traveled it for years, we have been fortunate to visit many places along the way. Although in recent years we use it more as a highway to get to some of our favorite cruising grounds, we have our favorite places along the way that offer a nice mix of friendly folks and nice amenities that are must stops.
Here is a recent article on the "reimagining"
https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news...5bc7e4038.html
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Wifey B: Methinks they figured out that fees discourage use, the structure made people stay shorter periods, and, perhaps most of all, they didn't net any real money. Selling, collecting, checking, and all for so little. It's like, why exactly are we doing this again?

The new spirit is to encourage use, it's to recognize the communities that need it and benefit from it. I talked to local business owners along the way. Seemed to me not many boaters. We were there in 2016. I remember a couple saying the summer traffic wasn't what they wished but it was what kept their businesses alive. They also commented that their land tourists came to see the boats too. I remember one lady in her 70's and she said she wasn't a genius but she was smart enough 50 years ago to figure out a small business there wasn't going to make her rich. However, it gave her a good life, she met a lot of people, she enjoyed what she did. Without the boaters and other tourists though she couldn't have done that.
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Give a wave as you head through the Rochester area!
Sorry, only going a little past Brewerton and then turning North up the Oswego river to Lake Ontario.

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I’ll bet the cost to implement a fee and permitting system is more than they bring in in revenue.
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I’ll bet the cost to implement a fee and permitting system is more than they bring in in revenue.
Exactly right.
They even admitted as much when they first dropped fees yrs ago. They have promised $300M towards reimagining but that includes many components not normally associated w boaters... bike paths etc.
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Many of the towns have improved facilities and most cruisers are pleasantly surprised that they are free or very minor fees for tie ups, power, laundry, etc compared with other cruising grounds.
No scenic comparison to the Canadian canals that are beautiful clean fresh water lakes / waterways but NY canal towns do have some attractive stops / small towns.
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Sorry, only going a little past Brewerton and then turning North up the Oswego river to Lake Ontario.

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I had a feeling that was the plan based on the description. Exactly what I did last summer when I brought the boat up to Rochester. What direction are you headed once you get to the lake?
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A. to keep federal funding
B. to keep the canal businesses going.
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I had a feeling that was the plan based on the description. Exactly what I did last summer when I brought the boat up to Rochester. What direction are you headed once you get to the lake?
Across the Lake to Kingston then Ottawa by way of the Rideau canal.

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Across the Lake to Kingston then Ottawa by way of the Rideau canal.

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Enjoy the trip! That one is on my "someday" trip list, just not sure when I'll get to it.
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Enjoy the trip! That one is on my "someday" trip list, just not sure when I'll get to it.
That's my job. It's a dirty nasty job, but somebody has to do it.

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We had a nice trip through there this summer up to the point where I got sick at Sylvan Beach. Not a lot of traffic but enough to fill most of the transient docks. Plenty of room in the locks. The Waterford fireworks were insanely close to the town docks. Closest I've ever been without Nomex!
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In 2015 I chartered a canal boat and made a point of exploring the towns along the waterway. It was clear that the region has been going through many years of economic decline. In getting to know some of the local businesspeople, their consensus was that retrenchment resulted from the collapse of Eastman Kodak, HQ-ed in Rochester. Lots of folks reminisced about well-paid jobs, either at Kodak or in a related industry / business. Those who remain in the small towns along the canal have had to adapt to a very tough job market.

When people learned that I was off a transient boat, they were most welcoming and hospitable. As soon as it was built, the canal became the central economic force all across mid / upstate New York. Now, in the twenty-first century, its value proposition seems to have recovered. As with most transit infrastructure, make it free to users, and they will come.
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