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03-06-2021, 11:11 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
Vessel Name: Markeeta
Vessel Model: 1982 Island Gypsy 32
Join Date: Aug 2020
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1982 IG32 Raw Water Pump looks funny
Hi all TF'ers,
I recently joined the Island Gypsy club by purchasing a 1982 Flybridge Cruiser. She has been a tad neglected on the cosmetic front, but the 'heart' is in good nick - Lehman 120. A complete service on the main engine, including a new HX, header tank and exhaust elbow. I changed the raw water pump impeller the other day and this is what the thing looked like when I opened the pump.
Is this right?? Temp is holding perfectly well and she's pumping a good amount of water out the pipe. It just seems weird that a round impeller is going in a not so round hole.
Any info and advice will be most welcome.
Cheers. ⚓️
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03-06-2021, 11:24 PM
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City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
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The water pump should have a lobe on one side that compresses the vanes on the impeller that pushes water out of the pump. Then the vanes uncompress and draw more water into the pump. The vanes should be compressed on the lobe side and not compressed around the rest of the pump. The vanes should not be damaged or have a “set” when the impeller is removed. If torn or having a set then the impeller should be replaced. The impeller is a routine replacement item. If the boat is new to you then I would replace the impeller. I bought a tool from impellertool.com that makes it easier to install the new impeller. No affiliation with the site. Congrats on your new boat.
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03-06-2021, 11:56 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
Vessel Name: Markeeta
Vessel Model: 1982 Island Gypsy 32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
I bought a tool from impellertool.com that makes it easier to install the new impeller. No affiliation with the site.
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I got a sea dog impeller puller - made it super easy and little or no risk of damage. I feel better now that it is "normal". 👍
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03-07-2021, 12:02 AM
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City: Au Gres, MI
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The tool I referred to is to reinstall the impeller, not to pull it out.
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03-07-2021, 12:03 AM
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City: Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
The water pump should have a lobe on one side that compresses the vanes on the impeller that pushes water out of the pump. Then the vanes uncompress and draw more water into the pump. The vanes should be compressed on the lobe side and not compressed around the rest of the pump. The vanes should not be damaged or have a “set” when the impeller is removed. If torn or having a set then the impeller should be replaced. The impeller is a routine replacement item. If the boat is new to you then I would replace the impeller. I bought a tool from impellertool.com that makes it easier to install the new impeller. No affiliation with the site. Congrats on your new boat.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
The tool I referred to is to reinstall the impeller, not to pull it out.
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🤔 I'll look that up - cheers ✌️
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03-07-2021, 12:47 AM
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City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,329
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ADC make a modified water pump, for 120s at least. The drive (?tang) for the original can break unexpectedly and unless you catch it fast..... About $500 USD + freight. Had mine fitted by the marina mechanic, I don`t think it was 100% simple remove and refit, some fiddling,and blanking off a couple of holes.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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03-07-2021, 01:09 AM
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City: Boston
Vessel Name: Adelante
Vessel Model: IG 30
Join Date: Nov 2016
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I compress the impeller with a tie wrap, coat it in glycerin, usually slides right in.
Keep a bunch of spare screws for cover plate. along with spare impellers. They have a habit of disappearing.
Always check water flow after start.
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03-07-2021, 09:23 AM
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City: gulf coast
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The hole is not round because that is how the pump works. Water comes in on the open side then the vanes turn and are compressed by the small side forcing water out into circulation.
Some pumps have a shoe to do the vane compression without the eccentric hole.
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03-07-2021, 10:26 AM
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City: Oconto, WI
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That is exactly what the inside of a water pump should look like. Getting the impeller in and out can be a bugger but it looks good.
pete
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03-07-2021, 04:57 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
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Thanks all,
Comodave's idea would be great and I've just sent the company an email to see whether they ship internationally. I'll be investing in a new pump through ADC, because I know that this one will let go when I least expect it and probably when out to sea.
Cheers
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03-07-2021, 05:44 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanOz
Thanks all,
Comodave's idea would be great and I've just sent the company an email to see whether they ship internationally. I'll be investing in a new pump through ADC, because I know that this one will let go when I least expect it and probably when out to sea.
Cheers
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Good plan. I love the tool to install the new impeller since I don’t have to fuss with getting the new impeller in. It just slides right in. One of my pumps is difficult to get to and with the tool changing the impeller went from pulling the pump to about 20 minutes total time to replace the impeller. I even use the tool on the other engine where the pump is easily accessible.
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03-07-2021, 05:51 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
Vessel Name: Markeeta
Vessel Model: 1982 Island Gypsy 32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
Good plan. I love the tool to install the new impeller since I don’t have to fuss with getting the new impeller in. It just slides right in. One of my pumps is difficult to get to and with the tool changing the impeller went from pulling the pump to about 20 minutes total time to replace the impeller. I even use the tool on the other engine where the pump is easily accessible.
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I'm going to service the Onan 6.5kva genset this week and see the size of that impeller and its accessibility. It's pretty tight back there, which generally means the PO might not have done the proper upkeep. Hopefully impellertool distribute globally and I only need one size (but with boats, I doubt it)
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03-07-2021, 06:09 PM
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City: Bainbridge Island/Petersburg Alaska
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Vessel Model: Bluewater 40' RPH 1979
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Make sure that your Jabsco pump hasn't already been replaced with the upgraded Johnson pump. You don't mention the brand of your existing pump and it is hard for me to tell from the photo. The brand should be on the outside of the cover plate that was removed in the photo. Everything in the photo looks good and looks like the PO used plenty of grease to help install the impeller.
Tator
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03-07-2021, 10:31 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tator
Make sure that your Jabsco pump hasn't already been replaced with the upgraded Johnson pump. You don't mention the brand of your existing pump and it is hard for me to tell from the photo. The brand should be on the outside of the cover plate that was removed in the photo. Everything in the photo looks good and looks like the PO used plenty of grease to help install the impeller.
Tator
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Thanks Tator,
Well, I installed a Johnson impeller that the PO had on board, so I'm hoping that was the right one for the job. I will check the cover plate when I next jump on board.
As for the lube, I just used the supplied glycerine and followed the instructions, so I didn't use grease. It certainly was tight, but with a little persuasion, she went in. I ran the engine at idle for around 25 minutes and she was pumping water out just fine. The temp stayed low and there were no leaks apparent. I will check it again under load to make sure.
Cheers,
Deano
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