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Old 12-09-2019, 09:01 PM   #1
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Water entered albin trawler engine

Can anyone who has owned an Albin suggest remedies to prevent water from entering the engine. It was suggested it may be entering through the exhaust system
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Which model and year? Engine?
We will need to see several good pictures of your exhaust system. A poorly designed system is usually the reason water gets back into the engine.
How old is the exhaust elbow?
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Welcome aboard. What Mr. jl said above plus faulty: heat exchanger, oil cooler, head gasket or...
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How do you know you got water in your engine?


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Way to vague. We need specifics and pictures.

But.. sounds like an engine specific problem like RTF noted. If nothing changed in your exhaust system recently, look inside the engine or components.

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Which model and year? Engine?
We will need to see several good pictures of your exhaust system. A poorly designed system is usually the reason water gets back into the engine.
How old is the exhaust elbow?
As far as I know the exhaust elbow is original I have a 1980 Albin Ford Lehman 120 HP engine. Just had the engine rebuilt because 3 cylinders were rusted frozen & want to avoid this problem from recurring Thanks,
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As far as I know the exhaust elbow is original I have a 1980 Albin Ford Lehman 120 HP engine. Just had the engine rebuilt because 3 cylinders were rusted frozen & want to avoid this problem from recurring Thanks,
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When engine was rebuilt was told the fins on the Impeller were virtually gone
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That is a start but still woefully inadequate to do anything but bombshell you wih lots of theories, most of which will be irrelevant.

Let's assume that we can't know anything more about the cause of this rebuild other than "three cylinders were rusted and frozen". Let's also assume that the engine is now rebuilt and is running fine but you don't want the same thing to happen again.

So.....get an oil analysis done. Blackstone is one of the best. Then publish the results here so we can see the data ourselves. That will form a basis for further investigation.

Why an oil analysis? Well, one will definitely rule in or out saltwater getting into the engine. And even though I don't pay much attention to a single analysis (other than high sodium content), something major might show up which will lead us to further diagnostics. It is the one thing you can do easily that will provide a path towards knowing what if anything is going on.


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Can anyone who has owned an Albin suggest remedies to prevent water from entering the engine. It was suggested it may be entering through the exhaust system


Interesting this should pop up here. There is an older thread on the Albin Owners page that recently revived after another 36 owner posed questions about ensuring water didnít end up in his engine. You might be interested in taking a look at it.

http://www.albinowners.com/aog/viewt...hp?f=20&t=5930
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Mr. c8. If you haven't done so already AND you don't know the history of, change the oil and transmission coolers AND the heat exchanger. All of them are maintenance items with a finite lifespan. Would be a shame to have to rebuild, yet again. NOT saying this is the source of your water but preventive maintenance is cheaper than a rebuild. Shouldn't cost more than $700 max.
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Mr. c8. If you haven't done so already AND you don't know the history of, change the oil and transmission coolers AND the heat exchanger. All of them are maintenance items with a finite lifespan. Would be a shame to have to rebuild, yet again. NOT saying this is the source of your water but preventive maintenance is cheaper than a rebuild. Shouldn't cost more than $700 max.
I'm curious, RT, where are you sourcing your parts, particularly the heat exchanger for the Lehman 120? Coolers are $100 each, and the heat exchangers I've seen are around $600. (I guess I'm assuming the OP has a 120. Maybe you're referring to a different engine used in Albins.)
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As far as I know the exhaust elbow is original I have a 1980 Albin Ford Lehman 120 HP engine. Just had the engine rebuilt because 3 cylinders were rusted frozen & want to avoid this problem from recurring Thanks, Jay
I would replace the exhaust elbow. It's pricey but easy to replace. Only 4 bolts (but one of them will break during removal requiring installation of helicoil.)

Rusted rings could result from several things. Possible that water backed up through exhaust manifold during excessive cranking but that might flood a cylinder chamber and at that point you are hydrolocked and then engine won't turn over. If someone just walked away then highly probable that rings will rust to cyl wall in any cyl with exh valves closed. If exh valves were open I suspect water would eventually evaporate.

Possible that a bad exhaust elbow let water into the exhaust manifold and it sat there creating a humid environment over a long period of time allowing rust to build up.

Possible engine was not run in a long time and stored in moist environment. Cylinders should be fogged for long term storage.

You may never know exact cause but you can take measurements of your exhaust system to ensure that it is designed properly. Google "installation of waterlift muffler" for details.

(If you don't have waterlift muffler then install one.)

As others have mentioned, replacing all coolers and heat exchangers is a good idea. They should be on a maintenance schedule. I would add that all new hoses should be installed at the same time. I don't think failure would result in cylinder water but failure would leave you dead in the water.

Just keep an eye on your exhaust outlet for any signs of steam.
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Mr. cd. I have purchased parts for our Lehman's (120HP) from both American Diesel and Bomac.
https://americandieselcorp.com/
https://bomacmarine.com/


Just looked up the AD price on the heat exchanger. Oops, you are correct. It has been a while so my $700 guestimate IS low. Apologies. Probably close to a boat buck ($1000) for HE and coolers.


I DID check the Bomac site and they have exhaust elbows on sale for $125 plus several other "spares" that seem to be a good price.
https://bomacmarine.com/marine-sale-parts.html
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Mr. cd. I have purchased parts for our Lehman's (120HP) from both American Diesel and Bomac.
https://americandieselcorp.com/
https://bomacmarine.com/
Worth checking fredwarner1 on ebay, who sells some Lehman cooling parts. I experienced good pricing and service.
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Worth checking fredwarner1 on ebay, who sells some Lehman cooling parts. I experienced good pricing and service.
logandiesel and onestudebakeravanti also sell Ford Lehman products on EBay. Search for Ford Lehman Diesel.

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