Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-21-2021, 12:53 AM   #301
Senior Member
 
RedRascal's Avatar
 
City: Bellevue
Vessel Name: Rascal
Vessel Model: Homemade
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 215
"I haven't tried the boarding ladder in/out of the tender, but we did test it from dockside and nobody went swimming. So it passed the first test.

We did notice the crane up, makes sense now. Your testing process cracks me up, "do you get wet or stay dry using the ladder". Good hear all the pieces are coming together.
RedRascal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2021, 07:03 AM   #302
Guru
 
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 1,929
TT we had our last boat built for us. Thought we knew exactly what we wanted from past experience. Initial commissioning was in Norfolk VA. First passage was to BVI. There started to modify things we could have done better. Took us a full year to get stuff just right and Bristol fashion. Keep your chin up. Commissioning is just your first step. I thought 2-3 months of coastal cruising would be sufficient to work out the kinks before doing the “big stuff” I was wrong.
Hippocampus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2021, 07:14 AM   #303
Senior Member
 
City: Here and there
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 413
Not his first rodeo. This is Peter’s second new Nordhavn. He had a new 60 previous. He is also something of an inventor genius engineer but a bit modest about it.
Porgy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2021, 08:02 AM   #304
Guru
 
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 1,929
My bad. He probably has forgotten more than I know.
Hippocampus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2021, 08:04 AM   #305
Senior Member
 
City: Here and there
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 413
If it’s any consolation, I think his typing skills leave a lot to be desired.
Porgy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2021, 08:17 AM   #306
Guru
 
twistedtree's Avatar
 
City: Walkabout Creek
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 7,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippocampus View Post
TT we had our last boat built for us. Thought we knew exactly what we wanted from past experience. Initial commissioning was in Norfolk VA. First passage was to BVI. There started to modify things we could have done better. Took us a full year to get stuff just right and Bristol fashion. Keep your chin up. Commissioning is just your first step. I thought 2-3 months of coastal cruising would be sufficient to work out the kinks before doing the big stuff I was wrong.

That's been my experience too, and I think it applies to new and used boats alike. I'm expecting a year of use (after commissioning) before things are really solid. We have made lots of progress and fixed lots of things, but I still don't have to look too hard to find something new.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
twistedtree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2021, 08:19 AM   #307
Guru
 
twistedtree's Avatar
 
City: Walkabout Creek
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 7,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by Porgy View Post
If its any consolation, I think his typing skills leave a lot to be desired.

So true, and getting worse over time.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
twistedtree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2021, 09:36 PM   #308
Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,032
How are things progressing with the commissioning process?

John T
N4061 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2021, 10:23 PM   #309
Guru
 
twistedtree's Avatar
 
City: Walkabout Creek
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 7,577
Commissioning is down to a short list. And I got gassed out of the boat today by fumes from the wood finish, so progress there too.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
twistedtree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2021, 07:20 AM   #310
Guru
 
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 1,929
What are they using to finish the wood? We had our last boat built in mainland China. Wanted to do some touch up on the hand rail at the companion way. When it was bumpy people would lean against it as they descended so there was some wear. Had trouble matching it. Looked like original was sprayed or maybe even dipped before assembly. Know I’m a dust farter but still prefer old school 8-10 coats of Epiphanes. Think if first few coats are thinned it penetrates and never lifts. Wear can be touched up without doing an entire panel or length of wood and not be apparent.
Hippocampus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-28-2021, 01:55 PM   #311
Guru
 
twistedtree's Avatar
 
City: Walkabout Creek
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 7,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippocampus View Post
What are they using to finish the wood? We had our last boat built in mainland China. Wanted to do some touch up on the hand rail at the companion way. When it was bumpy people would lean against it as they descended so there was some wear. Had trouble matching it. Looked like original was sprayed or maybe even dipped before assembly. Know Im a dust farter but still prefer old school 8-10 coats of Epiphanes. Think if first few coats are thinned it penetrates and never lifts. Wear can be touched up without doing an entire panel or length of wood and not be apparent.


We are using the original finish material, built up the same as they do at the yard. The stuff comes from Japan.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
twistedtree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2021, 06:39 PM   #312
Guru
 
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 1,929
You have a amazing vessel and great attitude towards its birth and delivery. Truly inspiring at all levels. Thanks for sharing.
Hippocampus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2021, 10:12 PM   #313
Guru
 
twistedtree's Avatar
 
City: Walkabout Creek
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 7,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippocampus View Post
You have a amazing vessel and great attitude towards its birth and delivery. Truly inspiring at all levels. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, but I have to say it can be pretty trying some days, and I have had a tantrum or two along the way.


We are now on attempt #4 to order the correct engine room vent damper. One of the originals was installed with the louvers oriented vertically, and it turns out you can't do that unless the damper has been ordered with thrust waters to provide a bearing surface in that orientation. So a second one was ordered with thrust waters. It shows up, mostly fits the same way, but not exactly, then we notice that it's galvanized, not stainless. Crap, time for try #3. Damper #3 arrives today, it stainless, has thrust washers, but has a completely different mounting surround and flange. So now we are working on try #4.


Then there are the Lewmar overhead hatches. Four of them to be exact. All four had been leaking when the boat arrived back in December. They were adjusted, tightened, etc, but all four kept leaking. I then learn that this is par for the course, with people saying things like "every Lewmar hatch that has come in over the past 3 years has leaked." Spread across a couple of buildings, there is a bone pile of probably 50 or more Lewmar hatches that have been replaced.


Various people have developed repair techniques using different sealants, different seal materials, and different prep techniques. Sometimes they work, but not every time, hence the bone pile. After three or four attempts to fix them, I have one of my tantrums and ask that the hatches be replace completely.


After a bunch of silly screw ups, new hatches finally arrive and are installed. Great, should solve the problem, right? Nope. Within a week all four are leaking. So now I have a bigger tantrum. I proclaim that the only good Lewmar hatch is a Manship hatch, and ask that they all be changed to Manship hatches.


Hell starts getting raise with Lewmar, and I get forwarded a note about how they had a problem and fixed it and all is well now and we should just replace the hatches again. I say I'll accept that only if I hear a VERY compelling root cause analysis of the problem, and corrective action that 100% explains everything I've seen. Otherwise it's just guessing and I'm done being part of the experiment. After all, nobody from Lewmar has even examined the bone pile of 50+ hatches, let along done a failure analysis. Not one a single hatch.


So I get on the phone with the head of Lewmar in the US. He explains a glass bonding process issue they had and how they fixed it. When was this found? Early 2020. When was the process change implemented? ~Q2 2020. OK, but then why are my four new hatches leaking if the problem has been fixed? We had some old stock in the US. But these hatches came direct from the UK where they are built because there was no stock available in the US? I'll have to check into that.



That afternoon we ordered the Manship hatches, they arrived within about a week, and are all installed with no leaks.


You just can't make this stuff up.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
twistedtree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2021, 11:10 PM   #314
Senior Member
 
lwarden's Avatar
 
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: North Star
Vessel Model: Lindell 36
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
My god, how hard is it to make a hatch that doesn't leak? Sometimes I wonder how these companies say in business. We deal with some extremely complex problems at work, I wish all I had to do was figure out how to stop a hatch from leaking water.

Anyway, I digress. I admire your patience with the commissioning, I would have gone full rage by now.
__________________
North Star
Lindell 36, Twin 370hp Cummins
lwarden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2021, 11:27 PM   #315
TF Site Team
 
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
Vessel Model: Had a Clipper (CHB) 34
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 9,581
OMG. You pay umpteen million for a new vessel and 3 lots of hatches leak..! Unbelievabubble.

With my old boat, if the hatch had ever leaked, (just an old square timber job), but it never did. But if it had, I'd have just done what worked on our yacht. Selley's 'No more Leaks', then Gladwrap all round over it = home made rubber gasket = no more leaks.

But if it was a new multimillion dollar boat, I'd have been having temper tantrums for sure. Commiserations Twisted. I just hope things run more smoothly from here on out.
__________________
Pete
Peter B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2021, 06:29 AM   #316
Guru
 
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 1,929
When we built our last boat the overhead Lewmar hatches were flawless but the large fixed port lights in the saloon leaked. This wasn’t immediately apparent and only appreciated when water stains showed up on the trim teak. From the outbound owners site found out this was a very common situation. Further found out what sealant to use, how the fix needed to be done and which yards had done the fix correctly. The complete fix required complete removal of the lights to allow complete removal of initial bedding/sealant used. This required removal of trim outside and of course repair of and cosmetic damage inside. Then rebedding and lastly reinstalling or replacing trim. Other owners had experienced the glass cracking immediately after it was put in and things setting up. So had to restart the fix from scratch Others experienced trim (both inside and out) being damaged upon removal requiring delay as new pieces were shipped from mainland China. In short many boat bucks spend and prolonged loss of use of the vessel. All because the formulation of the sealant was changed by the manufacturer. The builder had used that sealant for years and years without any issues. Going after the sealant manufacturer wasn’t practical so owners just said “it’s a boat” did the fix on 4 of these things and moved on. Many did the fix prophylactically as having a leak in the middle of the ocean on passage ain’t fun. The builder has changed the process to my understanding so only a block of years boats seem to been effected.
At this point I favor not doing large fixed windows on the house and especially none of these in the hull. I know with today’s super duper adhesives and sealants they can be as strong as the hull or house. But you as a owner or even as a surveyor have no way to assess their integrity. And repair is very involved and expensive.
Hippocampus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2021, 07:53 AM   #317
Guru
 
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft Catalina 381
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 5,009
Note to self: don't buy Lewmar hatches. The Bomar hatch in my foredeck is 35 years and old and doesn't leak. Although I should probably replace the seal at some point.



I don't get how they can just pump out hatch after hatch that keeps leaking. And worse, people keep buying them (mostly because boat builders seem to love cheap stuff from Lewmar, hence all the Deltas on the bows of new boats).
rslifkin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2021, 09:07 AM   #318
Senior Member
 
AdmiralS's Avatar
 
City: Stony Point, NY
Vessel Name: VARKA
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawlers 43 PH
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 231
Another vote here for Manship. Our boat is all manship for hatches, ports, and windows.

Been extremely happy with their performance in various conditions!
AdmiralS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2021, 11:16 AM   #319
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,302
Nordhavn loyalists and customers like Twisted Tree are a special breed and they and the company have a unique relationship. Commissioning is lengthy and the better part of a year consumed getting everything just right. However, they end up with a boat they love and trust. It's an amazing relationship and I don't know another builder with one like it. If you're willing to put in the time and the effort, then ultimately you'll be happy.

I really admire those who do it while also knowing I could never personally tolerate it. I also applaud Twisted Tree for his open and honest discussion. It's actually very good for Nordhavn too as the worst thing that can happen is a new buyer with unrealistic expectations.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2021, 11:21 AM   #320
DDW
Guru
 
City: San Francisco
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,246
I've given up on anything that says Lewmar on it. Hatches, sailboat hardware, winches, anchors. Last thing I had was the Lewmar Bruce copy anchor that came on the boat. Even though unused, it was so poorly made I couldn't stand to look at it and gave it to the first person on the dock that would carry it out of sight.
DDW is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Trawler Port Captains
Port Captains are TF volunteers who can serve as local guides or assist with local arrangements and information. Search below to locate Port Captains near your destination. To learn more about this program read here: TF Port Captain Program





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012