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10-07-2018, 11:58 AM
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#81
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Guru
City: Cypress Landing Marina (NC)
Vessel Name: Heron (2)
Vessel Model: '88 Cape Dory 28 Flybridge #115
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,305
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Originally Posted by sunchaser
So maybe the issues with Volvo marine diesels are less the engine and more the owner.
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Could be.....My 16 yr old (1800 hr) TAMD-41 Volvo has been perfect. Same engine used in every Camano 31 over the years. I expect it to outlast me.... For every horror story, there's a counter. Volvo diesels with IPS drives seem to be the preferred units on many of today's high end boats...
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10-07-2018, 12:51 PM
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#82
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,186
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Originally Posted by ancora
My trawler with VOLVO engines is now 32 years old. I've owned it for 18 years. The VOLVO engines have been reliable. I do all my own engine work and can attest to VOLVO engineering being second to none. What I find appalling is VOLVO's failure to support it's products. Yeah, VOLVO parts can cost triple those of CAT or Cummins, but at least CAT and Cummins parts are available.
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Ancora
What parts, what frequency and what cost?
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10-07-2018, 01:06 PM
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#83
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Firehoser 75,
I said too much as I hate this Volvo bashing thing that never ends. To say there’s nothing to it would be naive but it’s the kind of stuff that we don’t need here. Bashing the Bruce anchor seems to have died down and that’s good. But this Volvo thing just has nine lives.
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North Western Washington State USA
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10-07-2018, 01:49 PM
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#84
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City: Nanaimo
Vessel Name: former owner of "Pilitak"
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37
Join Date: Feb 2018
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Hi Eric,
Last post from me on this topic.
I agree with you about product bashing, especially when the basher is just repeating "what they have heard" and don't even have experience with said product.
However, I was not "Volvo bashing". As I stated earlier, I thought it was OK to voice my personal opinion about changes at Nordic Tug, one of which was the switch to Volvo engines. I added some background factual information regarding why I, personally would not purchase a Volvo Penta again. Not trying to say anything beyond that. Not bashing the brand per se, just relaying my personal experiences (and trying to remain fair in what I presented).
Sunchaser: "So maybe the issues with Volvo marine diesels are less the engine and more the owner."
While I have seen my fair share of marine engines that have not been even close to properly maintained, and so for the most part would agree with you, in the individual case of my Volvo failure that would not be the case. I followed the Owner's manual recommendations and maintenance to the letter. Never once started the engine without first doing all pre-start checks. Never ran more than 100 hours before oil changes, and used the correct oil and Volvo brand filter. However, a metallurgical engineer who examined the engine after the failure stated: "100% the nut that backed off and let go causing the complete lower end failure was never torqued correctly from the factory". My actions (or lack thereof) could not have caused that!
Also for the record, I was the only owner of that engine from new, so I knew all maintenance history (the engine was less than 4 years old at the time). Again, so as not to be misunderstood, I am not saying that because of my particular engine all Volvo's are bad. I am just saying with full confidence that in this case the problem was their's, and due to that, and mostly how they handled the situation, I would not buy another. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Regards,
Tom
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10-07-2018, 02:02 PM
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#85
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Firehoser 75,
I said too much as I hate this Volvo bashing thing that never ends. To say there’s nothing to it would be naive but it’s the kind of stuff that we don’t need here. Bashing the Bruce anchor seems to have died down and that’s good. But this Volvo thing just has nine lives.
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Maybe we could use Volvo blocks as anchors ???
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10-07-2018, 02:20 PM
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#86
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Ben I think the Volvo bashing has gone far enough.
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North Western Washington State USA
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10-07-2018, 02:20 PM
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#87
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Senior Member
City: Punta Gorda
Vessel Name: La Bella Vita
Vessel Model: 2006 Mainship 34T
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 127
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The way I understand it, the reason for going with Volvo is a financial decision. Volvo allows Nordic to pay for the engine when they sell the boat, Cummins, or anyone else, wants to be paid when they order the engine. Don't know how true this is, but it would make sense.
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10-07-2018, 02:44 PM
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#88
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Guru
City: Chicago/Montrose Harbor
Vessel Name: Sea Jay
Vessel Model: Non Trawler ;-) Ask me if it matters LOL
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 512
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Ben I think the Volvo bashing has gone far enough.
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Okay- let’s move to.... Bayliner ;-) joking joking joking!!!!!
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10-07-2018, 02:48 PM
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#89
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Senior Member
City: Skagway Alaska
Vessel Name: Nowitna and Serenade
Vessel Model: Schucker and 46 foot Ted Brewer custom sailboat
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 150
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Firehoser75 I for one appreciate your sharing your experience with us. Thank you.
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10-07-2018, 03:51 PM
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#90
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,186
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FH75
Yes, thanks for sharing. What let go - connecting rod, timing gear ??
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10-07-2018, 04:47 PM
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#91
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City: Fort Pierce
Vessel Name: Florita Ann
Vessel Model: 1982 Present
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,935
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ancora
My trawler with VOLVO engines is now 32 years old. I've owned it for 18 years. The VOLVO engines have been reliable. I do all my own engine work and can attest to VOLVO engineering being second to none. What I find appalling is VOLVO's failure to support it's products. Yeah, VOLVO parts can cost triple those of CAT or Cummins, but at least CAT and Cummins parts are available.
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I saw a small aluminum box with a few electrical components in it, figure it out and Allied Ellectronics could sell u the parts for likely less $10. The Volvo folks wanted $750. Truly the Westerbeke of Sweden!
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10-07-2018, 05:01 PM
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#92
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City: St. Petersburg, Florida
Vessel Name: M/V Sherpa
Vessel Model: 24' Vashon Diesel Cruiser
Join Date: Jun 2013
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My Volvo MD2030, I mean green painted Perkins, or better yet Ishikawajima Shibaura Machinery diesel has been rock solid. She's never given me a problem and the MD2030 has a pretty good reputation. I do most of the mechanical work and have never had a problem finding parts (I've even used parts for the Perkins Perama M30).
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10-07-2018, 07:02 PM
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#93
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,021
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It's no fun boating with "The Sword of Damocles" hanging over one's head. "The Sword of Damocles" an allusion to the imminent and ever-present peril faced by those who own VOLVO diesel engines, due to the scarcity and price of repair parts.
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10-07-2018, 07:05 PM
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#94
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City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,798
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heron
Could be.....My 16 yr old (1800 hr) TAMD-41 Volvo has been perfect. Same engine used in every Camano 31 over the years. I expect it to outlast me.... For every horror story, there's a counter. Volvo diesels with IPS drives seem to be the preferred units on many of today's high end boats...
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Huh, What?....Not going to find many happy customers with the IPS drives that I have heard of. Lots of complaints.
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10-07-2018, 07:23 PM
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#95
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City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
Join Date: May 2016
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Regarding the IPS drives, that is whole new subject. The first gen gear that started coming out around 10 to 15 years ago was not very good. Don't take my word for it. Do a search on an Express Cruiser website and see what others have to say. The newer gear (last 5 years or so) is much more reliable but you are still relying on a lot of electronics playing nicely together, and if they don't, you are down. The drive service is annual, and its a haul out to do it and you hope they don't find anything bad such as a blown seal on the lower unit. Good reasons to have a prop, and a shaft.
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10-07-2018, 09:58 PM
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#96
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,329
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ancora
It's no fun boating with "The Sword of Damocles" hanging over one's head...
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The solution is obvious.Stop doing it. Leave it parked/change engines/change boats..lots of alternatives.The incessant complaints have changed nothing.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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10-07-2018, 10:27 PM
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#97
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Guru
City: Nanaimo
Vessel Name: former owner of "Pilitak"
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,703
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Conrod Cap
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
FH75
Yes, thanks for sharing. What let go - connecting rod, timing gear ??
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Sunchaser,
The failure was caused when one of the 2 nuts used to connect the con rod to the crankshaft totally backed off (cylinder #1 closest to the oil pump) and allowed the con rod to pound the crap out of the crankshaft. The report from the metallurgical engineer stated that in his professional opinion, this one nut (out of 6) was never torqued properly. On this engine model, they rely totally on torque to "hold it together", there are no retaining clips (or other such devices).
To everyone who commented either on the forum or through PM offering support for me relaying my experiences, thanks!!
Regards,
Tom
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Nanaimo, BC
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08-22-2022, 05:58 PM
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#98
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Guru
City: Pembroke
Vessel Name: Emma B
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 32/34
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 827
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Any current update on Nordic Tug?
In biz?
Healthy?
Going strong?
Anyone live close?
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08-22-2022, 06:32 PM
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#99
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Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 565
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In business, production is sold out for more than the coming year!!
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08-22-2022, 08:36 PM
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#100
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Guru
City: Campbell River
Vessel Name: Blue Sky
Vessel Model: Nordic Tugs 42 Hull #001
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,972
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinner
In business, production is sold out for more than the coming year!!
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That's great to hear!
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