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Old 11-22-2020, 03:00 PM   #1
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Window shades to reduce heat

Weíre getting acclimated to Floridaís hot sun but the cockpit on our MS Pilot 34 is like an oven in the FL sun. I read the TF pros & cons on window tinting, ok for the day but not so good at night. Has anyone tried the EZ Snap boat shades? They appear to be a mesh screen applied on the outside of the windows. https://ezsnapdirect.com/products/boat-shades/ and one can see through the shades. Weíre looking for ideas to reduce the heat buildup in the cockpit while keeping the boatís lines attractive. Our Pilot has the soft top, weíre also looking for options for shading the eisenglass sides.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:11 PM   #2
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I had these made for Sonas. Full back and two side panels. Slide on top and elastic holders on bottom. Work really well. Minimum light in, you can see through it well enough.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:42 PM   #3
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While 3M VHB tape is really good, I have had it let go in applications that it should have held. I used 1/2Ē wide VHB to attach some vinyl trim as a drip edge on my rub rail. This wasnít a very high stress application. I cleaned off the tape, which was a chore, and put new tape on but added screws every 6Ē and it is working well now. I am not sure that I would trust it to hold with such small areas of contact and potentially a lot of pull with wind. Also I am a bit concerned that they donít show actual installation photos or videos on their website but rather animated videos. Sometimes an easy install isnít the best way to go but rather the tried method of screwing the snaps on which we know works.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:48 PM   #4
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While 3M VHB tape is really good, I have had it let go in applications that it should have held. I used 1/2Ē wide VHB to attach some vinyl trim as a drip edge on my rub rail. This wasnít a very high stress application. I cleaned off the tape, which was a chore, and put new tape on but added screws every 6Ē and it is working well now. I am not sure that I would trust it to hold with such small areas of contact and potentially a lot of pull with wind. Also I am a bit concerned that they donít show actual installation photos or videos on their website but rather animated videos. Sometimes an easy install isnít the best way to go but rather the tried method of screwing the snaps on which we know works.


Thank you, I see EZ-Snap also offers screw-in or screw on snaps which may avoid the issue with the 3M tape. I agree, the videos always seem to make it look so easy!
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:50 PM   #5
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I had these made for Sonas. Full back and two side panels. Slide on top and elastic holders on bottom. Work really well. Minimum light in, you can see through it well enough.


Thank you, great photo, it helps put it in the proper prospective.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:54 PM   #6
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I think I would go with the Phifertex panels. Easy enough for you or your local canvas guy to make. Traditional snaps would probably be more secure in a stiff breeze.
We have them and they work well. I am in the process of making new ones as ours have been around for a long time.

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We have exterior window covers and have made them for several of our previous boats. They are really easy to make. I use Pfifertex and Sunbrella facing to bind the edges. I donít like the look of unbound edges which is what I think the system on the website uses. I think it looks unfinished. But the Pfifertex and Sunbrella pacing is very easy to sew. Any machine can sew it since the Pfifertex is almost like nothing to sew. The facing is 2Ē wide so when you fold it over the edge of the Pfifertex it gives you a 1Ē binding that you can put the snaps in. That way the snaps donít pull out like they might in just the Pfifertex. Look at Sailrite.com for the materials. Snaps are easy to install also. Good luck.
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Of course in a good year we get 2 weeks of Florida like heat. Lol
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I think we own some Phifertex stock or we should.

For the cockpit we have their 70% shade factor material. In the pilot house we have their 90%. You canít really see out with the 90% but it cuts the heat down significantly and at night you still have privacy that you donít have with the 70%. If anyone is handy with a sewing machine, Phifertex is very easy to sew.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:32 PM   #10
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Of course in a good year we get 2 weeks of Florida like heat. Lol


We certainly miss our covered slip in MD, could probably bake a cake in the cockpit with the FL sun.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:33 PM   #11
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I think we own some Phifertex stock or we should.



For the cockpit we have their 70% shade factor material. In the pilot house we have their 90%. You canít really see out with the 90% but it cuts the heat down significantly and at night you still have privacy that you donít have with the 70%. If anyone is handy with a sewing machine, Phifertex is very easy to sew.


Thanks for your info and photos, looks like Phifertex could be the answer.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:35 PM   #12
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We have exterior window covers and have made them for several of our previous boats. They are really easy to make. I use Pfifertex and Sunbrella facing to bind the edges. I donít like the look of unbound edges which is what I think the system on the website uses. I think it looks unfinished. But the Pfifertex and Sunbrella pacing is very easy to sew. Any machine can sew it since the Pfifertex is almost like nothing to sew. The facing is 2Ē wide so when you fold it over the edge of the Pfifertex it gives you a 1Ē binding that you can put the snaps in. That way the snaps donít pull out like they might in just the Pfifertex. Look at Sailrite.com for the materials. Snaps are easy to install also. Good luck.


Thank you, weíve dealt with Sailrite back in out sailing days, may need a refresher course on using the sewing machine.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:40 PM   #13
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Thank you, weíve dealt with Sailrite back in out sailing days, may need a refresher course on using the sewing machine.
Well the Pfifertex is a really easy project to get you sewing again. It really is easy to sew. And you will get a nice, neat finished result.
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+1 for phifertex for general shade. For glass 3m crystalline film is fantastic. Zero tint, lots of uv and heat rejection. Used it on my old Land Rover which was a greenhouse on wheels.
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:15 PM   #15
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We have snap on shades that were made by Tide Water Canvas. This was done by a previous owner. These work great while not underway. I would guess it drops the temp by 10-20 degrees on very subby days. We have a hardtop with glass so there is poor airflow so these shades make a huge difference. Ours are dark blue so match the hull.
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I have the 70% Pfifertex in burgundy on tinted windows and really like it but when it gets wet underway, it clings to the glass and is hard to see through. I often leave them up all year long except for window cleaning or wet runs.

They're mounted on snaps and posts.
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Here's what you could see through our 70% UV reduction Sunbrella fabric we used on snap-on exterior covers.
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Old 11-23-2020, 04:20 AM   #18
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We did exactly the same this past spring. Definitely made the aft deck cooler. We can see through it from the inside well enough but from the outside, complete privacy. Cuts down on wind substantially also.
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I sewed Phifertex screens for my 400 last winter. I folded the edges over twice to make the perimeter 3 layers thick. I didn't feel I need any additional reinforcement for the snaps, especially since that's the way the original screens were made and they lasted 15 years.

I think the Comodave way is also a great idea with an edge binding, probably looks sharp.
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We have a full enclosure on our boat to the aft cockpit made from canvas and plastic. I sewed a complete replacement in phifertex. During the summer, I removed the canvas and glass and added the phifertex. I used the 70%. If I was to do it again, I would sew the phifertex to the same panel and simply roll the phifertex up or roll the plastic up so I didnít have to store the panels when the other was up. I think on windows it makes a huge difference if they are on the outside and they keep the heat out. The side advantage was they also act as screens for bugs when up so that the window can be open. I did get more skipped stitches sewing it without the canvas edging so I would opt for that method over the folding method. I think the snaps and universal fasteners work better with the canvas edging and hold better. I use my sailrite fabricator to get the job done. Nothing like the right tool!
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