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Old 07-23-2018, 07:51 PM   #21
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Look at their new Pilot models. Lots of foo foo stuff- looks pretty to some, but isn't very utilitarian. All of which costs money. Mainship didn't do that.



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They chose not to build what Mainship did, but that was choice, not what could or couldn't be built. They followed the "This is not your father's Oldsmobile school of marketing." Change the product so the existing buyers won't buy it and offer what others offer and are already far more known for than you. Suddenly, you don't have the basic Mainship but something that doesn't fit with the history while you're still not going to attract new buyers who don't like the old Mainship. Doom.
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:51 PM   #22
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I'd like to see someone (Marlow?) base a new design on that 47 hull (the one that they called the 43, then the 45, then the 47 all in the span of 18 months or so!). That hull is a good foundation, but Mainship didn't do well on that design - at least for my taste. Particularly the tiny aft cockpit. At this point it would just take too long to trickle down to the used market. It's hard to believe (funny/sad) that in the 300-400K range I can't find a used boat that appeals to me. Obviously people have different budgets, but that's a lot of moolah!
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:39 PM   #23
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Just sold MS 390

[I'd love to hear from MS400 owners what they think of as their "next" boat. I've come up pretty empty. Completely different style, but the new Tiara flybridge boats are nice, but priced in the stratosphere.[/QUOTE]

I spent 5 months on a 2002 MS 390 last yearóthe most fun Iíve ever hadóbut we sold the boat. When we looked at the cost of needed repairs and upgrades, we decided to sell, knock off some land-based bucket list items, and find a different type of boat in a year or two from the used market. We decided we didnít need the extra cabin of the 390, and Iíve become smitten with a sort of Chesapeake Bay deadrise/down east lobster boat hybrid. The Thomas Point 36 by Mast & Mallet is a beautiful fantasy, and perhaps in 2 years a used Back Cove will be affordable. Itís distressing to hear that the options are slim for those who I need to buy up a notch and put their current boats on the market.
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:45 PM   #24
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It definitely is a hole in the market. We searched a while to finally find the 2006 Mainship Aft 430 Aft Cabin after not being able to find a Sabreline 43 when we wanted one. Every broker we spoke to said they could sell new versions of these boats all day if someone would just make them. We do like our 430 aft cabin, and it was one of the last made. I sometimes wonder what if we wanted something newer if anything ever happened to our boat. There's nothing out there that been made in the last 10 years.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:07 PM   #25
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I also love my MS400 but given the current offerings in the market can't see any upgrade path. I'd like something sub-50 foot... a little bigger and a little faster than what I have. Anything that catches my eye is in the million dollar range. The space previously filled by mainship is completely empty. Grandbanks has gone the other way - bigger and even more expensive than before. Swift trawler has a nice look, but the interiors, imho, are terrible compared to the Mainship layout. What else is there? I'd love to hear from MS400 owners what they think of as their "next" boat. I've come up pretty empty. Completely different style, but the new Tiara flybridge boats are nice, but priced in the stratosphere. I rafted up with a Prestige 50 the other day and it was pretty nice and more affordable than most. I pretty much feel like I've been priced out of the market moving forward. Thankfully I love my boat! I did contact Marlow several times over the last couple of years. Initially I was told that they would be building something in the 45 flybridge range but that was just someone telling me what I wanted to hear.
Tiara do make a very high quality boat so the price tag is expected. My brother has an MS400 so I donít quite qualify as an owner expressing an opinion on the next boat. However while I donít think there is an exact match, various options are Selene, Defever, North Pacific Yachts, American tug, Nordic tug. There are so me other options depending on age, design, and cost parameters such as Offshore where they used to make a 48 and Possibly Symbol. Not sure whether new or brokerage is the target search.
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:24 PM   #26
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As a MS 400 owner, ready to move up, it's been very frustrating to find a larger boat that has similar features of the MS400. Now retired, plan to spend 6+ months on the boat. We've looked at KK's Nordhavn's, Flemings, Selene's, Defever's, NP's, Alaskan's etc, in the 46-56' range, 2004 or newer. Sadly, our budget eliminates several brands. The search continues...
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Old 03-09-2019, 08:11 PM   #27
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how about Power cats? Aspen? Leopard? lots of custom power cats and scary one-off power cats. Endeavor?

I agree - it is currently impossible to find the value/power/utility/ease of ownership intersection that represents Mainship. Yes there are nicer boats but the upkeep or price is 10x off! I was looking around too but instead I added some new things to my 2007 and will keep her!
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Old 03-10-2019, 08:08 AM   #28
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My guess is that because the economy is good they will spend their energy producing larger or smaller pilot sized yachts(time in/cash out).

I've seen this before where a company has many different molds available. If the demand for a certain type of boat becoming popular(all things old become new) they will simply build it.

Basically a limited number of hands and right now 50'ers are selling.
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:11 PM   #29
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I have owned ExitPlan a 2000 pilot 34 for 5 years and looked to upgrade. Only thing I could find was a swift-trawler by Beneteau either 35 or 42. But love my mainship so havenít taken the plunge. Seems like a good layout not too dissimilar to mainship , easy on fuel, decent value and solid reputation from what I can read

I decided to stay with Exitplan a few more years though!!
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:41 PM   #30
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I have owned ExitPlan a 2000 pilot 34 for 5 years and looked to upgrade. Only thing I could find was a swift-trawler by Beneteau either 35 or 42. But love my mainship so havenít taken the plunge. Seems like a good layout not too dissimilar to mainship , easy on fuel, decent value and solid reputation from what I can read

I decided to stay with Exitplan a few more years though!!
Back Cove a possibility? Great American builder.
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Old 04-23-2019, 08:22 PM   #31
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I seriously looked at a Back Cove and a Sabre as well as a Vicem, great boats with speed and comfort. then I estimated the engine maintenance annually, looked at the nice wood soles, looked at the brightwork and high gloss finish and though about my grandkids coming aboard, and then I wondered if I wanted to spend my time with varnish and wood upkeep and worry or just go boating. I am keeping the Mainship.

If I had tons of money to pay for continuous maintenance by high-class yards I'd get a fancier boat. maybe.

good luck searching, and enjoy looking at boats. my wife loves it too.
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:15 PM   #32
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I also love my MS400 but given the current offerings in the market can't see any upgrade path. I'd like something sub-50 foot... a little bigger and a little faster than what I have. Anything that catches my eye is in the million dollar range. The space previously filled by mainship is completely empty. Grandbanks has gone the other way - bigger and even more expensive than before. Swift trawler has a nice look, but the interiors, imho, are terrible compared to the Mainship layout. What else is there? I'd love to hear from MS400 owners what they think of as their "next" boat. I've come up pretty empty. Completely different style, but the new Tiara flybridge boats are nice, but priced in the stratosphere. I rafted up with a Prestige 50 the other day and it was pretty nice and more affordable than most. I pretty much feel like I've been priced out of the market moving forward. Thankfully I love my boat! I did contact Marlow several times over the last couple of years. Initially I was told that they would be building something in the 45 flybridge range but that was just someone telling me what I wanted to hear.
Mainship did build a few 43' trawlers ( LOA almost 48') right before they went under. They had twin 440 or 540 hp diesels and started at around 500k. Not sure how many they sold but they looked really nice on paper.

https://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/b...p-43-trawler-0
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I think they bought Mainship for the production space to further expand their Marlow brand. Purchased their hard assets and had no desire to stay in the same 30-40 foot field with cheaper and better quality foreign competition.
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I think they bought Mainship for the production space to further expand their Marlow brand. Purchased their hard assets and had no desire to stay in the same 30-40 foot field with cheaper and better quality foreign competition.
Actually, their primary interest was the Hunter sailboat line. They don't produce any of the Marlow brand in the US.
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