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Old 10-05-2021, 01:56 PM   #41
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This is what my file says was hull #1
MPC00001M77x34T 1977 Sea Perch Seattle, WA

This was hull#2

STN90002M77B34T 1977 High Flight Kent, WA

But your serial number is more like #2 with STN and B

MY guess is that hulls #1 and #2 were built in the Silverton facility.

The one in my file was the first one built at Mainship's facility.

Just a guess.

So technically yours is probably the real #1

I never saw any of the STN boats, I wonder what's different?
Thanks. Exciting to think we may have hull #1. With regard to what may be different, my gen set is in cockpit lazarette. Original vee berth was an over under which has since been redone to a large vee.
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Thanks. Exciting to think we may have hull #1. With regard to what may be different, my gen set is in cockpit lazarette. Original vee berth was an over under which has since been redone to a large vee.
I had hull #26 and had an over/under bunk. All the 1977/1978 boats I went aboard had that at least originally.
My genset was under the salon floor aft of the engine as were all the ones I ever saw.
So that is one difference.
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Old 10-07-2021, 10:57 PM   #43
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I just happened to be searching the HIN for a Banshee sailing dinghy that I recently acquired and as long I was down the rabbit hole, I started entering the HIN that you provided. If you remove the '34T' and search the remaining 12 character number, a valid history is returned. I was using 2 sites. https://www.marinetitle.com and https://hindecoder.com
The latter provided the following information:
Success! MCP00359M79J is of the standard HIN type called Model-Year HIN. If you are buying this boat/craft then you should get the Boat-Alert History for 19.99$ from this certified boat history report provider.
MCP = Maine Cat (In Business)
00359 = Boat Serial Number
M = HIN format is Model-Year. Always has M at position nine (1972-1984)
79J = Production date May 1979HIN Decoder Details for MCP00359M79J:

Our HULL ID Decoder breaks down the Hull identification number into the following information:
The HIN or CIN you have entered meets the Model-Year HIN format. It might also be a type that contains the country code and thus the boat comes from USA or Other . The serial number of the HIN is 00359 and is set by the boat builder. This boat or vessel has a Certification Date of (1979) and a Model Year of 1979 with month of build (May) based on the formatting of your hull_identification_number (HIN) .
The manufacturer identification code (MIC) of your craft identification number (CIN or HIN) is MCP. This MIC (MCP) stands for the company name Maine Cat which is currently In Business. This boat manufacturer has other company names (MCP sometimes goes by these name(s) Master Craft Plastics (11/82), , , or ).
This company (Maine Cat) is owned by Dick Vermeulen and is located at Po Box 205 in Bremen state of Me. It manufactured this vessel and placed your HIN or CIN on the hull. This Boat maker is not owned by a parent company. Maine Cat has started making boats, yachts and other watercraft as of 12/2/1993.
The Model Name is uncertain for this Maine Cat. But we have approximations: Trawler.
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Make sure to compare the date of boat manufacturing with the dates in which the company was actually in business.
The US Coast guard provides this comment about this watercraft manufacturer: Mic Previously Assigned To Master Craft Plastics 00b 11/22/82. 08/06/97 Mail Returned No Forwarding Address. 12/2/99 Moved. Old Address Rr1 Box 828 Coopers Mills Me 04341 0511008 Ppg: Former Address: P.o. Box 645, Waldoboro, Me 04572.
UsedHINMCP00359M79JIsValidYes - Integrity Check PassedHINTypeModelYearSerialNo00359Year1979IsStateIssuedNoCompanyMaine CatCompanyStatusIn BusinessCompanyAddressBremen Me Po Box 205Website#http://www.mecat.com/#
We did a search and no official Documentation Number for MCP00359M79J was found at the USCG.More details at the US Coast Guard.
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Old 04-18-2022, 03:29 PM   #44
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I was looking at a 79 Mk1 hull # MPC00332M79I on paperwork but no numbers on transom. A white hull with a small tan rectangle with out gel coat but no numbers molded in. It had a an engraved plate missing the I (last character) and that covered the rectangle. Was leary to get involved in it. Would like to know where 2nd hidden hull number is to verify if it is the correct hull. Being pre 84 I don't know if it would have a 2nd hidden number. Too bad as I really liked it.
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Old 04-18-2022, 03:53 PM   #45
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I have never seen a published list of location(s) for the 2nd HIN.
It can be very hidden as under / behind equipment etc.
It may not have a 2nd HIN for that V era
Do I understand correctly that the plate it still attached?
Is it whole or possible the end has broken off? Is there room to add / engrave a I ?
Is Is state registered or Documented?
What paperwork is available with HIN?
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Old 04-18-2022, 04:18 PM   #46
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Looking at the various formats for that time frame it looks like the last digit "I" designates April the month of mfg.
Apparently states have latitude to accept partial incomplete or assign a new HIN and tie it to the old partial.
See attached sections about incomplete HINs2-HIN-Validation-Verification-Guidelines-Updated-4_20_18.pdf

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Old 04-18-2022, 05:14 PM   #47
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Second HIN

Our MK1 has a wooden plank with the HIN # attached to the strb side under the shower in bilge with access from the small hatch in front of the step.Looks like a factory install to me.There is also a HIN # molded into the transom strb side top corner. Now,Iím curious to see if they match.
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Old 04-18-2022, 05:34 PM   #48
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The second HIN was hidden so LE could identify a stolen boat. The boat manufacturer would supply the hidden location, but only to LE. I came across one in a Carver that I had the engines out of. It was on one of the main stringers under the engine where it couldnít be seen without a mirror or such.
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Old 04-18-2022, 07:03 PM   #49
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The plate was in the usual hin location on the upper starboard side of the transom just below the rub rail. When looking for the molded hin I pulled the plate to see if it was firmly attached and it fell off. It is a state transferable registration which is the equivalent of a title. The hin is correct as far as format and information but I could not find any numbers anywhere on the hull. How do I know if the paperwork goes with that hull. Very odd that the hin is missing from the usual location. It doesn't look like a repair was done on the transom or any other part of the hull but it is a 43 year old boat. The current owner is out of state for the winter and doesn't know what I found yet. I know who owner bought the boat from. He bought it 5 years ago but never registered or put ownership in his name. It is still in the previous owners name. The previous owner signed it over but the current owner never signed it. The previous owners son told me it didn't have the transom hin when his father bought it in 1992 so his father had the plate made and put it on himself. When I asked how he knew everything was on the up and up he said his father bought the boat from a local police officer and didn't think anything funny about it. It is a project boat I can pick up for a good deal but I don't want the headaches or possibility of it being confiscated after putting a lot of time and money into it. I'll take a look under the shower in the bilge as someone said they saw a hin in there mk1 to see if I can verify it in fact is the matching hull to the paperwork.
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Is there anyway in the files referencing hull 332 ?
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Old 04-18-2022, 08:04 PM   #51
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Is there anyway in the files referencing hull 332 ?
From the link I posted above & https://hindecoder.com/manufacturers...N=MPC00332M79I
MPC = Mainship
For that era & format the hull serial # is 5 digits... 00332
The date format indicated by the M is designated as 79 and I = April (April 1979)

HIN Decoder Details for MPC00332M79I:

Our HULL ID Decoder breaks down the Hull identification number into the following information:

The HIN or CIN you have entered meets the Model-Year HIN format. It might also be a type that contains the country code and thus the boat comes from USA or Other . The serial number of the HIN is 00332 and is set by the boat builder. This boat or vessel has a Certification Date of (1979) and a Model Year of 1979 with month of build (April) based on the formatting of your hull_identification_number (HIN) .

The manufacturer identification code (MIC) of your craft identification number (CIN or HIN) is MPC. This MIC (MPC) stands for the company name Mainship Corp which is currently Out of Business. This boat manufacturer has other company names (MPC sometimes goes by these name(s) Luhrs, , , or ). This could happen if the US Coast Guard reissued the MIC to a new company after one went out of business.

This company (Mainship Corp) is owned by Jim Schuessler and is located at 255 Diesel Rd in St Augustine state of Fl. It manufactured this vessel and placed your HIN or CIN on the hull. The Parent Company for this boat maker is SILVERTON YACHT(STN)Mainship Corp has started making boats, yachts and other watercraft as of 12/9/1976 and went out of business on (1/1/1996) in the following country: USA.

The*Model Name is*34T*for this Mainship Corp. Feel free to suggest a correction:*

Make sure to compare the date of boat manufacturing with the dates in which the company was actually in business.

The US Coast guard provides this comment about this watercraft manufacturer: See Also (lhr) & (stn). Bsc 72 Update 911016; Formerly In Nj. Cg-5093 Mso Jac 920220 Mainship Corp Separate Corp Since Mid 80s As Per Ltr 4/92. 970422 Changed Poc Was Roger Yarborough. 990616 Company Is Not Out Of Business; In Feb 1996 Began Using Mic (mpt) Without Authorization. See Mic File Under Mpt For List Of Hins..

UsedHIN MPC00332M79I IsValid Yes
Is Valid MIC Yes
HIN Type ModelYear
SerialNo 00332
ModelName 34T
Year 1979
Is State Issued No
Company Mainship Corp
Company Status Out of Business
Company Address St Auustine Fl 255 Diesel Rd
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We did a search and no U.S. Official Documentation Number for MPC00332M79I was found at the USCG.
We searched the Official Transport Canada database and MPC00332M79I did not have a match.

More details at the*US Coast Guard.

If you are purchasing this boat/hull then get the*Boat History here. Finally, get it insured and make sure it does not have over-priced insurance by getting*Multiple Quotes for Boat Insurance. Oh, don't forget,*Order engraved HIN Tag ID Plate from ebay.[https://www]*and*Order custom vinyl registration decal from ebay.[https://www]*to be placed on the hull if needed.
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Old 04-19-2022, 07:18 AM   #52
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I was looking at a 79 Mk1 hull # MPC00332M79I on paperwork but no numbers on transom. A white hull with a small tan rectangle with out gel coat but no numbers molded in. It had a an engraved plate missing the I (last character) and that covered the rectangle. Was leary to get involved in it. Would like to know where 2nd hidden hull number is to verify if it is the correct hull. Being pre 84 I don't know if it would have a 2nd hidden number. Too bad as I really liked it.

I wonder if the HIN for all the other 34s of that era were attached on an engraved plate that way. If so, my guess is that what you have is probably legit.

I can't remember how the HIN on our '87 appeared, whether attached plate or molded in. (I only have one decent pic of the stern, not a close-up... and I can't make out a stamping... but I also don't see anything attached.) I do know the HIN format changed for '87, and ours was in the same format as current HINs.

Given a '79 model, I'd bet the 332 doesn't mean actual produced hull number 332. More like 32, probably with a leading 3 (and Luhrs Group companies did that on other models too).

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Old 04-19-2022, 09:12 AM   #53
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My Silverton, also under the same corporation that made Mainships, had it on a 3X5 card glassed to the inside of the transom.
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