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Trainerdude 07-17-2021 07:36 AM

Planning way ahead
 
Hello,

New here. Just turned 50 and the wife and I are beginning to plan ahead for retirement. We are committed to doing the great loop, so I am beginning my research on what boat will make that journey with us. Currently spend summers in a 23í travel trailer in a park, so I donít know how big of a boat we will need.

Look forward to researching all I can and eventually make the plunge into our new boatÖ..preferably when the prices drop againÖ.I realize the pandemic has inflated prices, so I am glad that when we go to buy, things should be a little more reasonable.

Dave

trihartsfield 07-17-2021 07:53 AM

Welcome and good luck with your hunt for a boat. You will find a wealth of information here.

Trainerdude 07-17-2021 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by trihartsfield (Post 1021379)
Welcome and good luck with your hunt for a boat. You will find a wealth of information here.

Thank you! I have already been reading for a few days and I know I have come to the right place. So many questions, but I am searching for the answers here as I am sure they all have been asked. 😊

firehoser75 07-17-2021 12:39 PM

Welcome to the Forum!!!
Start with "Boat Search 101" at the top of the "General" forum.
Good luck.

OldDan1943 07-17-2021 02:04 PM

Well, your mission is to complete the loop. That's a start. I'd suggest a mid 30ft to mid 40ft length boat. Will you be happy traveling at 5 mph (trawler hull) or do you want to go faster (semi-displacement)

What else?

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 1021465)
Well, your mission is to complete the loop. That's a start. I'd suggest a mid 30ft to mid 40ft length boat. Will you be happy traveling at 5 mph (trawler hull) or do you want to go faster (semi-displacement)

What else?

Yep, will be in no rush to go anywhere. Really want to take our time and enjoy the trip,m. Currently we have a 23ft RV we weekend in and although itís small, it suits us fine. But I currently have no boating experience, so I am unsure if buying a starter boat to learn on would be best, then buy the loop boat closet to the trip when we know what we truely need and have some experience.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by firehoser75 (Post 1021447)
Welcome to the Forum!!!
Start with "Boat Search 101" at the top of the "General" forum.
Good luck.

Read all 12 pages! Sure is a lot of views and lots of great advice. Will continue reading all I can, and learning all I can before making the jump.

OldDan1943 07-18-2021 12:32 PM

Charter a boat with a captain for a week then, you will have boating experience.
Study up on Rules for (safe) navigation. If you are headed north, generally speaking RED makers on your left. Dont rely on that.... read the charts and if you have display follow that too. If you are unsure, park the boat and study the display and charts.
IF you exit the ICW, and you cross the COLREG line, things are different. If you cross a river feeding the AICW, things are different and and and. LOL My point is, study the rules and chart when planning.
Boating can be fun but, at times it is not a "Road Trip". Take your time, pester your training captain.... An over night trip can be fun.... anchoring is necessary and mooring on a ball.... You can I (we all) can only learn from experience. Let's hope our mistakes are small ones.

BandB 07-18-2021 03:16 PM

First thing is to get some boating experience and training whether from friends or through organizations or then by renting and/or chartering. Also think of budget as boating is far more expensive than a 23' RV. If you charter, you can then research the cost to buy and own a similar boat to the one you were in. I'd recommend for you something in the 30-40' range. A site I'd also recommend is https://www.captainjohn.org/GreatLoopcruising.html . However, I'd largely dismiss his boat recommendations as he often tries to do the loop as cheaply as possible, not in the most enjoyable way.

Comodave 07-18-2021 04:13 PM

Welcome aboard. Have fun looking.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 1021695)
Charter a boat with a captain for a week then, you will have boating experience.
Study up on Rules for (safe) navigation. If you are headed north, generally speaking RED makers on your left. Dont rely on that.... read the charts and if you have display follow that too. If you are unsure, park the boat and study the display and charts.
IF you exit the ICW, and you cross the COLREG line, things are different. If you cross a river feeding the AICW, things are different and and and. LOL My point is, study the rules and chart when planning.
Boating can be fun but, at times it is not a "Road Trip". Take your time, pester your training captain.... An over night trip can be fun.... anchoring is necessary and mooring on a ball.... You can I (we all) can only learn from experience. Let's hope our mistakes are small ones.



Is chattering a more American thing? I am in Toronto Canada and it seems around here that just means some dude in a big boat will take you out for a few hours to drink with buddies.

And looking in the US, that seems to be a costly endeavour. Wouldnít it make more sense to buy a smaller boat and use it for a few years learning to do some shorter trips around usÖtaking classes and maybe hiring a captain for the first bit, then sell it and buy the loop boat?

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BandB (Post 1021723)
First thing is to get some boating experience and training whether from friends or through organizations or then by renting and/or chartering. Also think of budget as boating is far more expensive than a 23' RV. If you charter, you can then research the cost to buy and own a similar boat to the one you were in. I'd recommend for you something in the 30-40' range. A site I'd also recommend is https://www.captainjohn.org/GreatLoopcruising.html . However, I'd largely dismiss his boat recommendations as he often tries to do the loop as cheaply as possible, not in the most enjoyable way.



Oh I am sure the costs are greater for sure . Only pay my seasonal site costs and maintenance is much easier. I was more thinking size and that I didnít really feel uncomfortable here so I donít think I need a 44í boat to be happy.

Will check out the site you recommended.

I am reading a lot about chartering but from what I can see that is approx $10k US a week and that just doesnít seem worth it to me.

OldDan1943 07-18-2021 05:09 PM

A TRAINING Captain does just that, TRAIN you and maybe one other person. He/she is not your drinking buddy. For training, once on the water, the captain may stand at your left shoulder to react if you are in trouble.
Start with a smaller boat, sure. IF for no other reason than to see if you actually enjoy the experience. That is why we suggest you charter a boat.
RVing and boating are not the same other than you cant take much stuff with you. RVing, if it breaks down, finding help is much easier than breaking down a mile or more off shore. If you break down in a well marked waterway, ie. the ICW, you want to get you and your crew out of harms way while waiting for help. Weather turns sour when out in the water away from shore, is not the same as bad weather while RVing.

OldDan1943 07-18-2021 05:31 PM

What one might consider "little wake" has forgotten that wake builds as it move away from your boat AND you are liable for any and all damage to boats tied to docks and to boats underway and medical expenses.
If you elect to slow down when seeing an approaching, your wake may very well rock them dangerously. Your wake may do damage after you are gone.
The ICW is no place to go fast.

BandB 07-18-2021 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainerdude (Post 1021744)
Is chattering a more American thing? I am in Toronto Canada and it seems around here that just means some dude in a big boat will take you out for a few hours to drink with buddies.

And looking in the US, that seems to be a costly endeavour. Wouldnít it make more sense to buy a smaller boat and use it for a few years learning to do some shorter trips around usÖtaking classes and maybe hiring a captain for the first bit, then sell it and buy the loop boat?

We keep going through this discussion, no fault of yours, but do you really want to buy a boat, any boat, without knowing whether you and your spouse even like boating? Have you ever spent a week on a boat? The two of you? I'm not saying chartering is the only answer but somehow you need to find out if you even enjoy boating. What about the first waves tossing you around, will you get deathly seasick? Find a friend to go boating with or something. My first boating was as a child and I loved it. However, I've known of many adults who bought nice new boats without the problems of an older cheap boat but realized quickly they'd rather be on land. You know you could do the loop in an RV at a small percentage of the cost, not subject to sitting due to bad seas days, covering the ground much faster at 50 mph vs. 10.

Not at all wanting to discourage you. Just don't know how one with zero boating experience decides a 9000 mile trip on the water is perfect for them. My imagination and boating dreams were fed by previous experiences. Those fed by fantasies may be disappointed qucikly. I hope you're not.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BandB (Post 1021768)
We keep going through this discussion, no fault of yours, but do you really want to buy a boat, any boat, without knowing whether you and your spouse even like boating? Have you ever spent a week on a boat? The two of you? I'm not saying chartering is the only answer but somehow you need to find out if you even enjoy boating. What about the first waves tossing you around, will you get deathly seasick? Find a friend to go boating with or something. My first boating was as a child and I loved it. However, I've known of many adults who bought nice new boats without the problems of an older cheap boat but realized quickly they'd rather be on land. You know you could do the loop in an RV at a small percentage of the cost, not subject to sitting due to bad seas days, covering the ground much faster at 50 mph vs. 10.



Not at all wanting to discourage you. Just don't know how one with zero boating experience decides a 9000 mile trip on the water is perfect for them. My imagination and boating dreams were fed by previous experiences. Those fed by fantasies may be disappointed qucikly. I hope you're not.



Well, I guess I should say that although I havenít driven a boat, I have been on plenty during my younger days as my friends had them, so I grew up around them . My one uncle ran a chartered fishing business and my other uncle owned a marina.

Now, I realize that being in an RV is different than a boat and I realize I could of course do this in an RV, but itís a different experience.

This statement is what I really find odd ďJust don't know how one with zero boating experience decides a 9000 mile trip on the water is perfect for them.Ē

Itís an adventureÖ.I donít retire for 15 years and have a hell of a lot of time to learn if I do or donít like boating. Seems to me, if you donít after buying a smaller boat, you sell it and move on. But the idea of not dreaming about an adventure when I retire seems silly to me. Why not think about the next step, and how can one ever know truly if they like something if they donít just go do it? And sure I can charter a boat, but what does that really do? Teach me how to do a few things, I have friends that can show me thatÖ.it might help me narrow down a boat, but again is a week enough time?

I appreciate the welcome and I will continue to read here and learn all I can, but I think itís just a matter of going for it and seeing for myself.

alormaria2 07-18-2021 07:36 PM

Buying a smaller boat and getting experience with it is a great way to go. After you are confident, rent a boat on the Rideau for a week and see how you both like the cruising life.

Jeff F 07-18-2021 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainerdude (Post 1021744)
Is chattering a more American thing? I am in Toronto Canada and it seems around here that just means some dude in a big boat will take you out for a few hours to drink with buddies.

There is a fairly large charter operator in Gore Bay. Mostly sailboats but a couple of power. https://www.cycnorth.com/

But yeah, not much north of the border and east of the Rockies.

rgano 07-18-2021 07:46 PM

By the time you buy a "smaller" boat and then resell it to get the "bigger" boat, that $10K week long charter with a a day or two with an experienced captain will look like chump change. You may well indeed enjoy the first boat and learn good stuff, but you will not recoup the costs associated with buying and then reselling a boat probably at some price reduction to boot.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff F (Post 1021801)
There is a fairly large charter operator in Gore Bay. Mostly sailboats but a couple of power. https://www.cycnorth.com/

But yeah, not much north of the border and east of the Rockies.



Thanks. That seems a lot better for pricing and something we may consider when looking at a loop boat as the GB32 seems like it could be a good fit.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alormaria2 (Post 1021796)
Buying a smaller boat and getting experience with it is a great way to go. After you are confident, rent a boat on the Rideau for a week and see how you both like the cruising life.



Thanks! I think I am definitely leaning that direction. In the end, you donít know till you try it.

OldDan1943 07-18-2021 08:05 PM

Oh yea, a GB, NOT. You do not want to devote your time to the external teak. Been there, done that with a N46 and its huge rail cap. My recommendation is find a boat with little or no external teak and that definitely includes teak decks.

Side note: learn the Rules for Navigation. You may be able to maneuver your boat but, you want to do it in a safe manner.

Jeff F 07-18-2021 08:07 PM

The Loop is only 6,000 miles :-)

Honestly, any boat that I'd want to take cruising for a week on the great lakes would do the loop just fine. Solve for your local needs, then when you're ready just go.

I'm a fan of learning by doing, but check insurance before you get too serious. More and more that's dictating how much people with no experience are able to just jump into trawler ownership. That and an aging fleet. Many of the boats and brands fondly discussed here are well past mid-life. It's hard to predict whether good used boats will be cheaper in the future, but for sure they're going to be scarcer.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rgano (Post 1021804)
By the time you buy a "smaller" boat and then resell it to get the "bigger" boat, that $10K week long charter with a a day or two with an experienced captain will look like chump change. You may well indeed enjoy the first boat and learn good stuff, but you will not recoup the costs associated with buying and then reselling a boat probably at some price reduction to boot.



Letís say I buy a boat for 10k and give it away 2 years later and spend another 10k maintenance costs. Thatís 2 weeks of charters vs 2 years of owning. Maybe I am missing something, but my friend has a 27ft and hasnít spent that much in 5 years.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 1021813)
Oh yea, a GB, NOT. You do not want to devote your time to the external teak. Been there, done that with a N46 and its huge rail cap. My recommendation is find a boat with little or no external teak and that definitely includes teak decks.

Side note: learn the Rules for Navigation. You may be able to maneuver your boat but, you want to do it in a safe manner.



Not sold on a GB, just like the layout and size when looking at them. I donít want a boat that has a lot of teak. Donít have time or patience for that.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff F (Post 1021816)
The Loop is only 6,000 miles :-)

Honestly, any boat that I'd want to take cruising for a week on the great lakes would do the loop just fine. Solve for your local needs, then when you're ready just go.

I'm a fan of learning by doing, but check insurance before you get too serious. More and more that's dictating how much people with no experience are able to just jump into trawler ownership. That and an aging fleet. Many of the boats and brands fondly discussed here are well past mid-life. It's hard to predict whether good used boats will be cheaper in the future, but for sure they're going to be scarcer.



Thanks Jeff. Itís a good point. Planning on selling our RV in 5 years and will most likely begin boat ownership at that point. Hoping the bubble has Burst with the covid price increase by then and will certainly look into insurance along the way.

Jeff F 07-18-2021 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trainerdude (Post 1021817)
Letís say I buy a boat for 10k and give it away 2 years later and spend another 10k maintenance costs. Thatís 2 weeks of charters vs 2 years of owning. Maybe I am missing something, but my friend has a 27ft and hasnít spent that much in 5 years.

Have you priced summer and winter storage in Toronto? If you're not a yacht club member expect to pay $250/ft per year. The ongoing costs are not trivial.

OldDan1943 07-18-2021 08:27 PM

On the GLs consider a 30+ft trawler or fast trawler. My brother has done the GLs for more than 3 years on a Tiara boat with his wife, with great success.
He does pay attention to the weather windows.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff F (Post 1021821)
Have you priced summer and winter storage in Toronto? If you're not a yacht club member expect to pay $250/ft per year. The ongoing costs are not trivial.



Yeah, I have looked into it a lot as when I got the RV this summer we had gone back and forth about it vs a boat at that time. In the end we were given a very nice RV from a family member so it won out for now. Marina costs were close to what we pay for our seasonal site, but certainly less overall as we donít have fuel and maintenance costs .

Done my homework on the storage costs for sure.

OldDan1943 07-18-2021 08:40 PM

Trainerdude, ignore fuel costs. It may be a 'wash' between a RV and a boat.
Fuel costs on a boat, IMO, is the least of your costs.

Bill V 07-18-2021 08:43 PM

Couple of thoughts. Having grown up with boats, owned a bunch and spent 6 years running boats while in the Navy I can assure you that since you have 15 years before you will be doing the Loop you have the time to learn much of what you need to know. Buying a boat, any boat, will teach you the maintenance requirements, and there are a lot. It will also teach you the costs of boat ownership and it is much higher then owning an RV. Start reading up on what maintenance of a boat requires. Start learning the terminology of boating. Read up on the various hull designs, understand the differences too. Try to learn what kind of boat you prefer and why? Boating requires docking, anchoring, mooring on a ball, refueling, pumpouts, adverse weather handling and many more skills for both you and the wife to experience. It will take you every bit of 15 years to learn it.

I have traveled from Seattle to Ketchikan (1500 miles round trip) on my twin engine 28 foot boat in all kinds of weather and was a boater for over 50 years at the time of the trip. Was it the ideal boat? Not in any way but because I knew my boat, my abilities and what to do in emergencies very well I felt comfortable taking the trip on it. For you to take on a 6000 mile trip will require you to learn and experience far more then what is needed for a day on the lake.

By the way, any boat you buy for $10k will in the end cost you far more if it is any size at all.

rgano 07-18-2021 08:44 PM

Spent a lifetime caring for the teak of my woodie GB, but I have seen them with practically none at all and that bit pained over.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 1021822)
On the GLs consider a 30+ft trawler or fast trawler. My brother has done the GLs for more than 3 years on a Tiara boat with his wife, with great success.



Thanks. I am thinking 36 looks to be a sweet spot for me when I am looking at them online.

Trainerdude 07-18-2021 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 1021826)
Trainerdude, ignore fuel costs. It may be a 'wash' between a RV and a boat.
Fuel costs on a boat, IMO, is the least of your costs.



Yeah, itís not a huge concern for me. Main focus will be making sure I can safely do the journey.

Bill V 07-18-2021 09:36 PM

Every boat comes with two (yes 2) PRICE TAGS!
One is the Purchase Price including the cost of yearly maintenance.
The other is your cost of cruising!

Trainerdude 07-19-2021 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill V (Post 1021827)
Couple of thoughts. Having grown up with boats, owned a bunch and spent 6 years running boats while in the Navy I can assure you that since you have 15 years before you will be doing the Loop you have the time to learn much of what you need to know. Buying a boat, any boat, will teach you the maintenance requirements, and there are a lot. It will also teach you the costs of boat ownership and it is much higher then owning an RV. Start reading up on what maintenance of a boat requires. Start learning the terminology of boating. Read up on the various hull designs, understand the differences too. Try to learn what kind of boat you prefer and why? Boating requires docking, anchoring, mooring on a ball, refueling, pumpouts, adverse weather handling and many more skills for both you and the wife to experience. It will take you every bit of 15 years to learn it.

I have traveled from Seattle to Ketchikan (1500 miles round trip) on my twin engine 28 foot boat in all kinds of weather and was a boater for over 50 years at the time of the trip. Was it the ideal boat? Not in any way but because I knew my boat, my abilities and what to do in emergencies very well I felt comfortable taking the trip on it. For you to take on a 6000 mile trip will require you to learn and experience far more then what is needed for a day on the lake.

By the way, any boat you buy for $10k will in the end cost you far more if it is any size at all.



Thanks Bill. Some great advice here.

I donít doubt that the maintenance costs are far more than RV and I have been looking into them for a while already as this dream has been in my head for a bit.

I am also fully aware of the training involved and I plan to get as much time on a boat as I can before making the trip, but I also know some have done and completed this trip on little to no training, so it can be done. Life is an adventure and sometimes you just need to go for it.

I plan on researching this stuff to death and I am already driving my wife nuts with how obsessed I can be with learning.

As for the 10k boat. I am well aware that Purchase price does not equal end of costs.

LargeMarge 07-23-2021 02:16 PM

I try to learn something every day.
I am always interested in folks doing 'it' different than I would do 'it'.
.
I initiated my Keogh in 1973.
I was 21 (twenty-one).
.
I retired at 53.
2003, we built an ExpeditionVehicle, and hit the road.
.
Nearly two decades full-time live-aboard, no regrets.
.
.
An article in INC. magazine asked:
* "What would you tell your twenty year old self?"
The overwhelming answer from industry leaders, entrepreneurs, performers, and medical folks:
* "Action Beats Deliberation"
Over-thinking anything results in developing the habit of 'research it to death'... meanwhile, opportunities slip away.

Trimjb 07-23-2021 04:52 PM

You can also gain a lot of information here. The AGLCA rendezvous in October. I here it is sold out.
https://greatloop.org/

Mobcat 07-24-2021 02:10 AM

Go to any dock with 4 x 6 packs of heavy beer and Iím sure you will get enough advise to get you around the great loop, maybe take some ice to.
Enjoy

Bacchus 07-24-2021 06:23 AM

David
I applaud your having a long term dream and working toward making it happen.
Don't be overwhelmed by the task of having to plan for a 6,000 mi, year or longer cruise. A year is just a series of month long cruises and a month is just 4 week long segments with some necessary flex time.
Researching, Planning and preping for a week or two with a LeBoat rental on the Rideau Canal will give you a reasonable sense of what it would take to do a month.
Check their requirements but I doubt they require extensive training to rent. Get your Canadian / Ontario boater certificate / card as an initial step. Additional training becomes a plus.

My recommendation as a way / source for some training is to join a Canadian Sail & Power Squadron. They not only offer many / varied boating courses but you will immediately expand your network of folks with similar interests. You may be able to find a member that would welcome a helping hand with some maintenance chore or for a day cruise when short handed.
The other possibility is to use the TF Port Capt search feature for your area. It will identify TFers that have "volunteered" to assist others by providing local knowledge & experience. I will guess they might also be willing to share their experiences getting started in boating and again a way to expand your local boating network.
A training Capt can be a much later step once you have your own larger boat and want to know more details about the specific handling traits for that vessel.
Above, of course, my opinions and may vary from what others suggest.
Whatever you and yours do... do it as a team and make it enjoyable. Don't make training a necessary evil when it can be part of a new & exilerating path for vacations and adventures. Don't think of a rental as just an expense but rather an inexpensive way to gain knowledge and experience to maximize your boat purchase $ and avoid a costly purchase mistake... all while enjoying a vacation in a new place / situation.

Trainerdude 07-24-2021 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trimjb (Post 1023125)
You can also gain a lot of information here. The AGLCA rendezvous in October. I here it is sold out.
https://greatloop.org/



Itís been a great resource so far. Going through all the podcasts now.

Trainerdude 07-24-2021 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobcat (Post 1023226)
Go to any dock with 4 x 6 packs of heavy beer and Iím sure you will get enough advise to get you around the great loop, maybe take some ice to.

Enjoy



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Trainerdude 07-24-2021 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 1023240)
David
I applaud your having a long term dream and working toward making it happen.
Don't be overwhelmed by the task of having to plan for a 6,000 mi, year or longer cruise. A year is just a series of month long cruises and a month is just 4 week long segments with some necessary flex time.
Researching, Planning and preping for a week or two with a LeBoat rental on the Rideau Canal will give you a reasonable sense of what it would take to do a month.
Check their requirements but I doubt they require extensive training to rent. Get your Canadian / Ontario boater certificate / card as an initial step. Additional training becomes a plus.

My recommendation as a way / source for some training is to join a Canadian Sail & Power Squadron. They not only offer many / varied boating courses but you will immediately expand your network of folks with similar interests. You may be able to find a member that would welcome a helping hand with some maintenance chore or for a day cruise when short handed.
The other possibility is to use the TF Port Capt search feature for your area. It will identify TFers that have "volunteered" to assist others by providing local knowledge & experience. I will guess they might also be willing to share their experiences getting started in boating and again a way to expand your local boating network.
A training Capt can be a much later step once you have your own larger boat and want to know more details about the specific handling traits for that vessel.
Above, of course, my opinions and may vary from what others suggest.
Whatever you and yours do... do it as a team and make it enjoyable. Don't make training a necessary evil when it can be part of a new & exilerating path for vacations and adventures. Don't think of a rental as just an expense but rather an inexpensive way to gain knowledge and experience to maximize your boat purchase $ and avoid a costly purchase mistake... all while enjoying a vacation in a new place / situation.



Great information here Bacchus.

I appreciate very much the thoughtful and well written advice here. I will look into all of it as we go along this journey. The wife and I are excited about the future and are definitely in this together.

Jeff F 07-31-2021 11:48 PM

Don't know if the OP is still with us, but I have one more comment as a guy from Toronto who bought his first big power boat with the intention of doing the Loop.

It's not all or nothing. There are several excellent small loops within the great lakes, most of them in Ontario. And by small I mean weeks to months, if you stop to enjoy the sights. I traveled 6,000 miles in the great lakes and local waterways before I headed south, and covered new ground much of the time. The Great Loop presented a few new challenges, but was really just a more ambitious version of what I had been practicing locally for a couple of seasons.

Trainerdude 08-02-2021 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff F (Post 1025717)
Don't know if the OP is still with us, but I have one more comment as a guy from Toronto who bought his first big power boat with the intention of doing the Loop.

It's not all or nothing. There are several excellent small loops within the great lakes, most of them in Ontario. And by small I mean weeks to months, if you stop to enjoy the sights. I traveled 6,000 miles in the great lakes and local waterways before I headed south, and covered new ground much of the time. The Great Loop presented a few new challenges, but was really just a more ambitious version of what I had been practicing locally for a couple of seasons.



Thanks Jeff.

Some great advice here. And yeah, while the great loop is the dream, I will definitely be exploring the Great Lakes as a warm up before attempting it. Plan now is about 4-5 years in our RV and let the prices return to ďnormalĒ and then buy a starter boat to learn on and do some shorter journeys. Then sell it for our eventual looper boat when the time comes .


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