Grey exhaust smoke at 9+ kts

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We took the boat out for our shakedown cruise today. Everything was fine until I got the boat up to 9.5ktx which is when I noticed grey smoke coming from the exhaust. It went away as soon as I slowed down. Quick internet search indicated possible fuel injector, fuel filter and some other options. Wanted to reach out to see what folks on the forum would suggest? Engine is a 350 Yanmar.

Thanks in advance for your input.
 
Is it smoke or steam? What temp was the engine running at?

If temp is normal it's time to look at the injectors.

pete
 
I doubt that smoke from fuel would go away that easily. Steam may.

Steam while present will dissipate fairly quickly, smoke will not and if from fuel will be very persistent and strong smelling.

Most likely you have a lack of raw water flow problem.

I've tossed my tome in below. Read it through and if there are questions ask.
 

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Pete we were running at about 175 which is what we always do.
 
I had not thought about steam, it did seem to disipate quickly and I did not notice a smell. Thanks for sending your doc, I am going to check what I can tomorrow and then likely have the mechanic swing by.
 
Pete we were running at about 175 which is what we always do.

You can have enough raw water to keep the engine at proper temperature, but not enough to keep it from vaporizing in the exhaust elbow.

Ted
 
You can have enough raw water to keep the engine at proper temperature, but not enough to keep it from vaporizing in the exhaust elbow.

Ted

I second this. If total water flow through the system is a bit low, everything will seem ok but the lesser amount of water in the exhaust will cause that water to be vaporized more. It’s a fairly common problem.

Ken
 
Is this a new to you boat? If so, some engines and exhaust systems just steam a bit under load. So I'd still check everything over, but if you don't find anything wrong, it could be normal.
 
Year 5 so it raised a flag
 
I'd check the exhaust temps. I had a problem a few years ago when my exhaust spray deteriorated, enough water was going through but it was a stream, not a spray. Under load the exhaust would overheat, eventually causing failure of the rubber hose. We had to re-build the spray system.
 
White smoke is normally unburned diesel or water/coolant.

At the slip, especially on a calm day, it is usually easy to tell one from the other. Water vapor tends to float away. Diesel tends to linger. Diesel may slick the water. Water does not. Water vapor usually has no real smell. If it has any smell, it is a sweetness, which is bad, as it is antifreeze. Diesel has a distinct miserable taste, smell, and even eye feel if there is enough.

Underway, it is harder to tell unburned diesel from water vapor as one is moving away from it, spreading it out. But, if one does see it linger, it is unburned diesel.

Blackness in smoke is partially burned diesel. It is the result of the engine not getting enough oxygen to fully burn the fuel. In a diesel this can be normal while accelerating as the fuel is supplied first, then the RPMs go up, getting in more air. So, there isn't enough air until the RPMs catch the fuel.

If there is a turbo (and I think you may have twin turbos!) , and it isnt working, at the point of the fuel curve where it should be pushing in more air, if it doesn't, smoke with grey up and turn black. It is also caused by overloading as it prevents the engines from developing the RPMs to match the fuel curve, so not enough air gets in.

Overloading can be caused by a dirty bottom, fouled props, over propping, or an engine that just isn't generating as much compression as when it was new so can't handle the same load, or a turbo not boosting.

Blue smoke looks a lot like black smoke. It is a blue black. It is from motor oil in the exhaust. If it is sudden or a short ramp up to the problem in a turbo engine, it could be a turbo leaking. It could also be something worse. If it increased slowly over time, it could just be age....aging rings or valve seals. Depending on how bad, it could be like some grey hair -- nothing more than a sign of midlife. This usually isn't super load sensitive. Rings tend to improve as things warm up and seal better. Valve seals might, or might be more intermittent.

Grey smoke tends to be a mix of white smoke and black or blue smoke.

If the engine is losing oil....that is another sign of an oil leak. If it is losing coolant, a coolant loop leak, often a head gasket. If the oil is milky, that might be water getting in, such as from a cooler or head gasket leak. If oil is getting thinned out, especially if fuel is getting in, that is a sign of fuel getting in, such as worn rings and excessive blow by.

Since the smoke being reported as grey and under load under way, I'm more concerned about the black component that the white component, if for no other reason that white smoke underway that doesn't occur at the slip is almost always steam -- underfunded fuel tends to get better underway, or at least more spread out.

So, focusing on the black part of the grey. Get the diver to clean the bottom and check the props. Check the oil level and character. Check the coolant level and character. At the slip with the engine running, pull the valve cover oil fill and feel for excessive blow by. If, and only if, you know how to do it confidently and safely, pull the coolant cap and look for exhaust gas leaks. Check the turbos to make sure they spin freely. While underway get someone in the cabin or engine room close enough to hear the engines well. Is any turbo making crazy noises? Compare unfamiliar things like the sound and blow by from one engine to the other.

There is obviously a ton of other places to look, but I'd suggest starting here...it is free stuff to check...and then reporting back. With more info you'll get more ideas from the peanut gallery!

Good luck!
 
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Fuel filter would be the first thing I check, especially with this being a shake down cruise after sitting for a while.
 
Thanks all, I am meeting the mechanic there tomororw or Thursday and will get insight into the issue. The way the winds have been yesterday was the first day we could go out, hopefully this issue is minor and the weather start to change. Otherwise there will be a lot of dock time.
 
Restricted aftercooler denies motor of air too, usually gets clogged up when too much oil is coming out of the crankcase.
Poor turbo performance starves motor of air, especially at higher rpms, you may want to pull off the exhaust elbow and take a peek inside the turbos exhaust exit side, or at least insure that it spins freely from the air intake side.
 
Restricted aftercooler denies motor of air too, usually gets clogged up when too much oil is coming out of the crankcase.
Poor turbo performance starves motor of air, especially at higher rpms, you may want to pull off the exhaust elbow and take a peek inside the turbos exhaust exit side, or at least insure that it spins freely from the air intake side.
A failed turbo will cause lots of black smoke, too much fuel and not enough air. White/grayish smoke is too much air, not enough fuel.
 
White/grayish smoke is too much air, not enough fuel.


No, not on a diesel. An under-fueled diesel will just make limited power, but it won't smoke.
 
No, not on a diesel. An under-fueled diesel will just make limited power, but it won't smoke.
That's often true but, not always. I've got about a dozen diesel motors around here in vehicles, tractors, construction equipment, generators, etc. I have seen a clogged fuel filter produce some whitish smoke at the top of the RPM it'll get to with the reduced fuel. In fact, Sunday I got stranded by my Ford 6.7 because of a clogged fuel filter and it was producing some white smoke under load. That filter only had about 8,000 miles on it and, stupidly, I didn't have a spare in the truck so it resulted in a 5 mile round-trip walk to get one. I've got a spare now.

I've also blown turbos or had charge pipes pop off and you get copious amounts of black smoke when that happens, there's no mistaking it, along with NO power.

Anyway, what I've learned in maintaining all these motors is that 95% of problems with a diesel are fuel (which includes dirty fuel plugging a filter, by far the most commy), 4.9% are fuel system (injectors, injector pump, etc., also caused by bad fuel) and the other 0.1% are something else. This is hyperbole but, not far from reality.

I've had one actual motor problem out of all of them and that was a failed liner o-ring on a 1989 International DTA360 caused by the coolant not being right.

I've got a couple of Deere motors with over 6500 hours on them, one in an air compressor and one in a boom lift, neither have had any issues that weren't fuel related. So, it's smart to always start with the fuel and the fuel filter and, despite my failure to do so in the truck, to always have extra filters on hand.
 
Came down to the boat today and the mechanic was onboard with the boat running. He had it in reverse pushing against the large pad i have at the back of the dock, indicated he had rev'd it pretty hard for 15 min with no smoke or issue. Told me to add some fuel additive and then take it out and run at 3000 RPM for a while to discharge any crap on the turbo and just keep an eye on things. Which we will do this weekend.

I have a Yanmar specialist scheduled to come out on the 30th (first available day) and will hold the appointment for now just in case but hopefully we are good. Fortunately)unfortunately the weekend weather has been lousy so we have not missed much.

Thanks to all for the feedback and insight.

cheers
 

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