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BandB 05-19-2019 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RT Firefly (Post 766388)


I can tell from the tone of your posts that you are excited about this boat and she DOES show well (I looked her up) but this is NOT the time to be emotional IN ANY WAY! I advise TOTAL pragmatism. Tough to say but there ARE other boats out there. Both eyes open and patience, my friend.

Total Pragmatism? Then you don't advise owning boats? I do share your concern however over the possible falling in love with the boat and wearing blinders. Just need to figure out the possible costs and then decide.

BandB 05-19-2019 07:56 PM

Just clarification as you found that Awlgrip and Awlcraft are totally different products. Awlgrip should generally not be waxed or buffed, but sometimes that is called for if it's deteriorated. I strongly recommend for the most part using Awlgrips products on it, even though pricey. Awlcraft, on the other hand is similar to Alexseal, does require occasional waxing. Can be machine buffed but only with the right equipment and pads, which both manufacturers have 3M products they recommend.

sunchaser 05-19-2019 09:33 PM

Buffing of either Awl product by an overzealous hard pressure "wielder" can lead to heat buildup and lift the paint. The same buffing techniques and products used on FRP should be shunned.

Vashon_Trawler 05-20-2019 06:06 AM

A little puff of grey/whitish smoke at start up normal for many diesels. My diesel has 600 hours and I always see a tiny amount of smoke at start up. Before servicing my injectors, the smoke was more pronounced and I had a small sheen in the water.

Molly 05-22-2019 07:41 PM

My 2006 34T gets that smell every time. I figure it's the shape of the boat and the draft. I do try and take it up to WOT at least for 10 minutes every time I go out. I noticed less smoke now. Early in the season, I have to wax the transom after every trip. Now, it seems better. There are tons of Mainship 34T's out there. If you have doubts, keep looking.

Sangraal 05-24-2019 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RossWilson (Post 766301)
I'm unsure whether its Awlgrip or Awlcraft. Consensus opinion seems to indicate the latter. Nevertheless, I'd still not power buff.

If it is awlcraft then an area can be resprayed and cut in relatively easily. If it is awlgrip then patching is much more challenging. Either way it is not cheap. Hull with color (red) will be more difficult to match as sun fade will add another level of complexity. Good luck!

Bacchus 05-24-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sangraal (Post 768295)
If it is awlcraft then an area can be resprayed and cut in relatively easily. If it is awlgrip then patching is much more challenging. Either way it is not cheap. Hull with color (red) will be more difficult to match as sun fade will add another level of complexity. Good luck!

My experience has been very good with color match and touch up. Paint is not like gelcoat in regards to chalk & fade... think modern auto finishes... they get scratched but don't fade like paint of old.

BandB 05-24-2019 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bacchus (Post 768340)
My experience has been very good with color match and touch up. Paint is not like gelcoat in regards to chalk & fade... think modern auto finishes... they get scratched but don't fade like paint of old.

But what paint has your experience been good with? Alexseal and Awlcraft are known to be fairly easy, but Awlgrip is not.

Bacchus 05-24-2019 04:15 PM

Yes Awlcraft and my understanding has been that's all Mainship used for late models. I won't claim any info for earlier ones.

Symphony 05-24-2019 11:44 PM

Complete prep and paint of 34 rum runner hull with Awlgrip was $8300 US last year.

Awlcraft not likely on a 2006 MS., but many with awlgrip. Great stuff and use awlwash and awlcare to get amazing results - better than wax and compound a gelcoat hull

RossWilson 05-26-2019 06:08 AM

Hello everybody: An update on my purchase of the 2006 Mainship 34T.



It seems that the paint is Awlcraft, as stated in the original documentation for the vessel. The previous owner obviously hadn't read all the manuals and brochures which I've begun to ingest.


I consulted a local boat repair and paint specialist about the paint. It seems that the paint is not flaking - it was bird shit on the hull, a rather large quantity. I hadn't had the opportunity to take a really close look. Those avians must have been targeting her! According to maintenance records, the hull has been buffed and waxed for at least the last 3 seasons, but they apparently used a very soft pad and mild compound. The painter said it will probably be okay. But for longer life, he recommended switching to Awlwash and Awlcare products. He said that for patching, he has found this product is sometimes challenging to colour-match, but not impossible.



The seller had agreed to undertake repairs/replacements of certain components found defective during the on-the-hard portion of the survey inspection. And he further agreed to adjust the price by $5k when during the sea trial, we found one of the dripless stuffing boxes and the port rudder shaft seals were leaking slightly. Frankly, since it was likely the other side would likely soon need attention too, I insisted he compensate for both sides. Otherwise, the trial was successful.



In spite of the cool weather, the canvas guy was able to stretch most of the canvas back into place. He also assured me that the remaining few would stretch with warmer temperatures. It looks like I might get a few more years out of it. Frankly, I'm thinking about a future hard-top installation anyway. A hard-top would also permit the addition of some serious real estate for solar panels.


With the electronic controls and bow and stern thrusters in addition to the twin mains, it was a treat motoring her into my new home harbour at Hindson Marina, Georgian Bay. Smooth! Thanks, everyone, for your guidance throughout this process. I'm really glad to be part of this forum and hope to contribute with future posts. Happy boating!

Bacchus 05-26-2019 06:39 AM

Ross
Thanks for the update and confirmation re AWLCRAFT. That agrees with the best and most reliable info I have been able to gather. If you have original docs it should list paint color as well... mine did... and it made the color selection EZ. Awlgrip has way too many dark blues and I think it would have been a challenge to choose from a color chart.
I am very pleased w the touch up paint I did. Where possible repaint a larger area than needed to end at a contour change in the hull and you avoid some issues. There are tricks in masking that my spray operator taught me that makes blending much easier.
Get and use the Awlcare polymer you will like it.
I just use car wash soap followed w a vinegar spray to get the hard water spots off before applying the poly finish. I have found a flat microfiber floor pad on a long handle does a good job of cleaning from the dock.
Good luck w the closing and cruising.
The MS 34T/HT BOM and parts info on my Bacchus website should be helpful as you get exploring & tinkering.

RossWilson 05-26-2019 10:07 AM

The manufacturer's packet also includes the full colour chart with chips and numbers. Fortunately, I'll not have to paint anytime soon. But when I do, there are only 2 distinctive reds.


Since my hull has been waxed for at least the last 3 years, before using the Awlwash and Awlcare, I presume I'll have to remove the wax residue. Am I correct? What would you recommend for this task? I'd hate to damage the paint.


I've oft visited your website and have found it useful during my research. Thanks, Don.

Comodave 05-26-2019 10:36 AM

Congrats on your new baby. Good luck.

Bacchus 05-26-2019 11:45 AM

Ross
Re wax removal... down dish soap and simple green cut grease and will remove wax. You might check the Awlgrip site to see if they recommend anything specific or against anything. I have used ammonia on gelcoat to make sure all wax was off before installing my PlasDeck teak & holly on aft & side decks.
Enjoy your new baby...
When NY canals open we are headed your way via LkOnt & TSW. Hoping to spend July on Georgian Bay so keep an eye out for Bacchus flying a TF Burgee.

RossWilson 05-26-2019 03:17 PM

Thanks, Don. Will do. And you can watch for our red-hulled 34T MS. There are very few here. I'll check out the Awlgrip site and your recommendations. Safe trip!

Symphony 06-14-2019 07:46 AM

Congrats on a great new boat. Your careful review paid off. She is perfect for your waters.

All boats have something to fix so you can crawl around enjoying the hidden areas of your vessel.


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