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Last will be the department stores. We only deal with one chain at this point, so thankfully they aren't a huge part of our business. I don't see how mall based retailers will survive long term.


What are your thoughts on stores in tourist areas? Do you see people traveling domestically in the near future? Maybe before fall if allowed?

I feel slightly better about mall based retailers as a retailer who is primarily free standing and strip centers but we do have mall stores. A huge caveat though, those in Simon, Taubman and Brookfield malls while all the independents I see in trouble. Now, the malls have incentive to see the retailers succeed as shown by Simon and Brookfield buying Forever 21 out of bankruptcy. As to anchors, malls are renting the space for far more when they leave. Malls must turn to entertainment centers.

Department stores worry me as we sell to many. I can't imagine Sears surviving. I think Macy's will go into bankruptcy but survive, while shedding stores.

Tourist areas. Again, I definitely have an interest living in South Florida. I see tourism way down as all luxury spending. I think the desire will be as strong as ever, even some pent up desire, but the ability to afford travel way down. I think hotels and resorts face some very difficult times.

I see travel opening mainly to visit family and friends. The inability to touch and hold and hug is already being felt. We get all but the touch on web cams, but I think people are finding the sense of touch far more important than they realized. For those families that have suffered loss of life, even more so.

As to stores in tourist areas, sales to tourists are a much smaller part of the business than most realize. Sales to winter residents are decent though. However, most tourists shop before travel and their spending while traveling is for lodging, restaurants and entertainment. However, lack of tourism will impact store sales dramatically because it will mean higher unemployment and less cash, less discretionary spending. South Florida's economy is dependent on tourism. So indirectly store sales will be hurt tremendously.

You mention mall stores closing, I think we'll see tremendous numbers of other stores close, single store mom and pops. In some cases, it will be financially forced and in others it will be fatigue. We've already been contacted heavily as some sellers want out at any price and others just can't afford to continue. Also, the malls seem more willing and better prepared to work with tenants than many of the owners of strip centers and free standing stores. I think many very successful business areas will come out of this looking like streets in towns where the only plant in town closed five years ago. I expect to see vacancies way up. Even just one out of ten vacant will be significant, but I expect the number in many areas to be higher. Irma basically shut people in our area down one to two weeks. I saw store owners bailing. We bought some. Turn weeks into months and it's going to be far worse. 14 new listings last 7 days in South Florida, 125 in last 30 days. Absentee owners are those most likely to not reopen.
 
Our latest projections based on reopening July 15 to August 1 are 90 days later retail apparel will still be down 15-20%, dollar stores up 10%, furniture down 40-50%, phones down 20-25%, beauty salons down 5% (after initial boost), advertising sales down 20%, jewelry down 30-40%, audio visual down 40%, hardware down 10%.

We expect our wholesale business in 2021 to be off of 2019 numbers by 10-20%. Our 2020 numbers were projected at 55% over 2019 but now we expect them to be 20-30% below.
 
I have been retired 22 years. I got a social security card at age 12 working as a golf course caddie to supplement my grass cutting and leaf raking jobs all the way to age 17 helping my Mom support the family. I enlisted in the Navy at 17 with my Mom’s signature, till my 21st birthday. Attended the Illinois Highway Patrol Academy and worked as a state trooper for seven years. Re-enlisted in the Navy during the Viet Nam War, after 22 year I retired as a Master Chief specializing in steam propulsion, air conditioning/refrigeration and Human Resource Management. I completed my GED high school and associate in science degree while on 16 years of sea duty. After my military retirement I studied for a real estate brokers salesman license and work as a real estate appraiser for twelve years till retirement at age 62. In retirement I have enjoyed along with my wife sailing to the Abacos out to Eleuthera, Bahamas. Completed the “loop”, rving most of the US and Canadian National Parks.
I’ve enjoyed the ride so far, even as our days of trawling are coming to a close like all good things.
 
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No need to list my job history as it would win as the most boring here. But aspire to be a Depends model when I’m a senior.
 
No need to list my job history as it would win as the most boring here. But aspire to be a Depends model when I’m a senior.

Actually the thread title is what we "do."

So go ahead and tell us what you do now.
 
Congrats Angus. You`ll love it.
Lawyer, but telling people I played piano in a gay brothel goes better.

and more reputable! Sorry, I just couldn't resist the opportunity, cheers!:D
 
As for boating, learned to sail on a neighbors C-Lark when I was about 12.


Heh! My first sailboat was a C-Lark! Sailed in South Puget Sound, around Longbranch Peninsula, Quartermaster harbor, etc. Loved that boat!:thumb:
 
That`s essentially right. Lately there has been a legislated move to a "fused" profession so you can be solicitor and barrister at the same time without a distinction. But in practice it still separates. Some solicitors like working as a "solicitor-advocate" but not many. Pulling on a wig and gown is not for everyone(especially a wig that short:)). You literally have to be able to "think on your feet". Fearlessness is a good trial attribute, especially in cases that require "a full metal jacket". It`s important to remember to have fun doing it, a joke goes a long way relieving tensions in Court.

And I can`t play the piano.
But I have driven(among other Renaults) a Renault R4, it`s like riding a drunken marshmallow.

Here in Canada, we have a modified British system.
Barristers and Solicitors have way less to do with one another than in the UK, where a criminal matter, for example, will start off with a Sol being hired by the client, having most of the client contact and most of the contact with the prosecution. The Solicitor then hires the Barrister to appear in court and argue the case.

Here the Barrister assumes both of those roles in all aspects of any matter that will go to Court. In order to go to Court, a Barrister must be "Called to the Bar".
Though we wear gowns in Supreme Court trials, we don't wear wigs.
Our Solicitors are the lawyers who do wills, real estate transactions, draft contracts, etc. All those things that are necessary to keep society running and hopefully, out of Court.
I am both Barrister and Solicitor, though the Barrister part occupied me 90-95% of my time and Solicitor part only 5-10% throughout my career.

In the US, Barristers and Solicitors are called Attorneys, Counsellors and probably many other things, but never Barristers or Solicitors.
 
I feel slightly better about mall based retailers as a retailer who is primarily free standing and strip centers but we do have mall stores. A huge caveat though, those in Simon, Taubman and Brookfield malls while all the independents I see in trouble. Now, the malls have incentive to see the retailers succeed as shown by Simon and Brookfield buying Forever 21 out of bankruptcy. As to anchors, malls are renting the space for far more when they leave. Malls must turn to entertainment centers.

Department stores worry me as we sell to many. I can't imagine Sears surviving. I think Macy's will go into bankruptcy but survive, while shedding stores.

Tourist areas. Again, I definitely have an interest living in South Florida. I see tourism way down as all luxury spending. I think the desire will be as strong as ever, even some pent up desire, but the ability to afford travel way down. I think hotels and resorts face some very difficult times.

I see travel opening mainly to visit family and friends. The inability to touch and hold and hug is already being felt. We get all but the touch on web cams, but I think people are finding the sense of touch far more important than they realized. For those families that have suffered loss of life, even more so.

As to stores in tourist areas, sales to tourists are a much smaller part of the business than most realize. Sales to winter residents are decent though. However, most tourists shop before travel and their spending while traveling is for lodging, restaurants and entertainment. However, lack of tourism will impact store sales dramatically because it will mean higher unemployment and less cash, less discretionary spending. South Florida's economy is dependent on tourism. So indirectly store sales will be hurt tremendously.

You mention mall stores closing, I think we'll see tremendous numbers of other stores close, single store mom and pops. In some cases, it will be financially forced and in others it will be fatigue. We've already been contacted heavily as some sellers want out at any price and others just can't afford to continue. Also, the malls seem more willing and better prepared to work with tenants than many of the owners of strip centers and free standing stores. I think many very successful business areas will come out of this looking like streets in towns where the only plant in town closed five years ago. I expect to see vacancies way up. Even just one out of ten vacant will be significant, but I expect the number in many areas to be higher. Irma basically shut people in our area down one to two weeks. I saw store owners bailing. We bought some. Turn weeks into months and it's going to be far worse. 14 new listings last 7 days in South Florida, 125 in last 30 days. Absentee owners are those most likely to not reopen.


Sounds logical, and is similar to what I expect. Our territory now is Florida and the US Caribbean, so we are looking at the same ground as you.



Totally agree on the tourist based business, snowbirds/winter residents are far more important to my business in most areas. For instance, I don't have a single account on I-drive and have never made a single cent directly off of Disney or any of the other attractions with the exception of Sea World who uses some of our shoes as uniforms. But some of the people who shop in our stores work for places like Disney, so there will be some fall out. Same thing with the cruise industry. As much as I hate them they do add some jobs, mostly low paying, in South and Central Florida.


I have a store in Countryside mall in Clearwater who was paying next to nothing in rent prior to this situation. They were desperate to keep him, but foot traffic is so bad there he was struggling to hang on. Hard to see what will happen there now. I'm not optimistic.



One thing I saw in 2009-2010 was a reluctance on the part of landlords, particularly strip center landlords, to give concessions to their tenants to help them survive. The commercial real estate market was so good for so long that many were blind to what was happening. I saw a lot of stores close because of that. Many of those spots still sit empty today. I wonder what lessons were learned from that and if there will be more flexibility this time around. Though not all landlords have the financial means to provide that flexibility even if they want to.
 
Hey Dougcole and BandB. While I appreciate both of your business acumen, and wish I had a modicum of it, I resurrected this thread with the idea to get people off of the overwhelming COVID mindset and to show that although we have a lot in common, we come from diverse backgrounds. Kind of a TF kumbaya campfire moment, if you will..

I really don't want the discussion about post-COVID business doesn't turn into a political "whose to blame" COVID free for all and banished to the COVID (aka OTDE) sub-forum, so maybe, once, just once we try to stay on topic, which is "What do you do in real life?"

Respectfully,

Spy
 
Spy,
I agree that politics has no place in these boating forums; Trawler, Tugnuts, Cruisers.

Seems that no matter what topic is being discussed, or with whatever group, politics has to rear its ugly head.
v/r,
Bill
 
Additionally a money bank can help you be philanthropic - and help you leave those ripples in the world that really have larger impact.

Just another thought, that having money isn't all bad.
I say it's definitely in second place to whatever is in first place! :blush:
 
One thing I saw in 2009-2010 was a reluctance on the part of landlords, particularly strip center landlords, to give concessions to their tenants to help them survive. The commercial real estate market was so good for so long that many were blind to what was happening. I saw a lot of stores close because of that. Many of those spots still sit empty today. I wonder what lessons were learned from that and if there will be more flexibility this time around. Though not all landlords have the financial means to provide that flexibility even if they want to.

Well, much different this time as depending on the lease, there's some legal basis that rent isn't owed. Many malls closed without being ordered and most of those gave cause for non payment and on others Force Majeure comes into play. So the landlords are negotiating from a weaker position, just some of them don't realize it. I also know that lenders are open to interest only payments or even deferrals during the lockdown. The last thing they want to be is property owners.
 
Heh! My first sailboat was a C-Lark! Sailed in South Puget Sound, around Longbranch Peninsula, Quartermaster harbor, etc. Loved that boat!:thumb:

What years did you cruise South Puget Sound in the C Lark.

I cruised those same areas around 1964 - 1965 when I was a youngster in a small sailboat.

Bunch of us kids camped out on Cutts Island without adult supervision for weeks.
 
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Well, much different this time as depending on the lease, there's some legal basis that rent isn't owed. Many malls closed without being ordered and most of those gave cause for non payment and on others Force Majeure comes into play. So the landlords are negotiating from a weaker position, just some of them don't realize it. I also know that lenders are open to interest only payments or even deferrals during the lockdown. The last thing they want to be is property owners.

Being a commercial landlord can be really great for the most part but can also be a PITA during economic downturns.

The dot com bust, 9/11, 2008 downturn and now covid are a rollercoaster ride for commercial landlords. These events require the LL to accept reduced rent or no rent at all. And hope the tenants business survive and can pay back the deferred rents.

Negotiated with tenants last month to receive 1/2 rent for three months and payback amortized over 3 years. The park and fly business dropped by 90% in one day!

Economic downturns are a good time to buy properties.
 
Hey Dougcole and BandB. While I appreciate both of your business acumen, and wish I had a modicum of it, I resurrected this thread with the idea to get people off of the overwhelming COVID mindset and to show that although we have a lot in common, we come from diverse backgrounds. Kind of a TF kumbaya campfire moment, if you will..

I really don't want the discussion about post-COVID business doesn't turn into a political "whose to blame" COVID free for all and banished to the COVID (aka OTDE) sub-forum, so maybe, once, just once we try to stay on topic, which is "What do you do in real life?"

Respectfully,

Spy


Understood. My humble apologies for the thread drift.


And thank you for saying that you respect my business acumen, I don't believe that thought has crossed the mind of anyone who has ever met me. Like most people in the outdoor industry, I joined because I loved doing, well, outdoor stuff, and thought it would be fun, not from any strong business ability. For the most part it has been fun and offered a lot of freedom. But if pressed, I would, at best, describe my career as "managing to muddle through."
 
So SlowMo what oil do you use ??

I've got Delo 400 in my engines now. It is my go-to oil because I'm very familiar with it. I'm not claiming Delo is 'the best', there's no such thing.

However I would not hesitate to use comparable products such as Shell Rotella T, Mobil Delvac, Valvoline Premium Blue and others from major suppliers. I do avoid 'boutique' brands, I won't name them but I think we know who they are. Wouldn't touch their products. Also I never use aftermarket lubricant additives, the most you can hope for with these is they don't harm your engine...
 
I've enjoyed reading through this thread; so many different paths in the world of work and boating. After a false start as a city planner after college, I found my passion as a filmmaker producing documentaries and other programs for Discovery Networks and Public Television. After twenty five years of bouncing between east and west coast cities, I moved my family to Seattle for a job at the local PBS station. That was 1993. We bought a house overlooking Lake Washington and from our deck we could see all manner of boats parade by on summer weekends. Nearby was a rustic marina that we'd walk past on evening strolls.

My first boat was a 16' runabout with a too big outboard that would never run. After taking a US Power Squadron course I bought a 30' Monk cruiser built in 1941. It was diesel powered and beautiful. Annie B took us out onto Puget Sound, then the San Juans and eventually up to the Gulf Islands of British Columbia. By then I was hopelessly hooked on cruising! Then in 2000 the local economy tanked from the dot.com crash. I was out of work and briefly commuted to L.A. to work at a friend's production company. Lucky me, I developed and sold a few reality series that made me enough money to seriously consider launching a new career that would provide a lifestyle to keep on boating in the PNW.

In 2002, on the drive home after visiting by land a trawler rendezvous on Whidbey Island, I stumbled across a 20-room motel for sale by owner. Long story short, I bought the property and built it up into a successful country inn that stays busy year round. With good management in place, the business provides me with the income and the TIME for us to enjoy boating, to travel and visit family year round.

Today we cruise in a 47' Selene trawler. Previously, we had a 40' Willard that we cruised for over 10 years, including trips through the Inside Passage and to Sitka, AK. I consider myself very lucky to have found boating to replace my earlier passion for filmmaking and to be part of this knowledgeable and diverse community of boat nuts on TF :)
 
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These days more than ever, I am grateful for and proud of what I do in real life.
Somewhere today, just over 300,000 people will eat a serving of something we produce.
I am a farmer, a producer and processor of food.

One of our brands pictured below.
 

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“Also I never use aftermarket lubricant additives, the most you can hope for with these is they don't harm your engine...”
Amen
Sorry for thread drift.
 
These days more than ever, I am grateful for and proud of what I do in real life.
Somewhere today, just over 300,000 people will eat a serving of something we produce.
I am a farmer, a producer and processor of food.

One of our brands pictured below.

Does any of that good looking cheese get to South Florida?
 
“Also I never use aftermarket lubricant additives, the most you can hope for with these is they don't harm your engine...”
Amen
Sorry for thread drift.

I agree. Most modern diesel oils have very sophisticated additive packages. I might argue that for our older pre-emission engines that some metallic additives like ZDDP would be beneficial. Like “Lead” in old gasoline it was difficult to replace until metallurgy and seal material advancement allowed for better durability once the lead was removed. Likewise, metallic compounds like ZDDP were the premier anti-wear ingredients until modern emissions systems required their removal.
 
Hey Dougcole and BandB. While I appreciate both of your business acumen, and wish I had a modicum of it, I resurrected this thread with the idea to get people off of the overwhelming COVID mindset and to show that although we have a lot in common, we come from diverse backgrounds. Kind of a TF kumbaya campfire moment, if you will..

I really don't want the discussion about post-COVID business doesn't turn into a political "whose to blame" COVID free for all and banished to the COVID (aka OTDE) sub-forum, so maybe, once, just once we try to stay on topic, which is "What do you do in real life?"

Respectfully,

Spy



I too was originally going to post what I “did” once versus do as I am semi retired now. I have been working in one sort or another since I was 13 and the old man made it clear he wasn’t paying but for the roof overhead and food on the table. So, a lot of jobs since then. The career was with the FAA. Initially ATC and eventually program management for ATCT/TRACON modernization. FAA senior PM for O’Hare Modernization Program was a highlight for me. Ended doing Quality Control on operations. As the water is a way of life for me (first boat I purchased (at 13yo) was a 1961 Crestliner. Pull start 40hp Envinrude. How I used to envy the rich kids with “electric starts” [emoji6])

I believe I will always being “doing” something water related. Lately, it’s reading a lot more on this Forum. This three has been very enjoyable thus far.
 
Mr RT in my past life my company made many pairs of what you were wearing. Definitely a specialty item as we were only one of a very few with the capabilities of doing so. We stopped making that item in 2005 as there was just not enough demand to keep that section going and the man doing the work retired! Of course we made other everyday wear which was our main business. Something about the color and just the thought of it on my nose makes it hurt! Man that was some dense stuff!

Sold the business to a foreign entity who wanted it more than us. Allowed me to retire at age 57 and for the last 5 years have really enjoyed waking up to everyday being Saturday!



Greetings,
Mr. MM. OK. Just for you. Hint:


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Currently I work for a vessel named Knot Home after retiring three times. Probably the best job I’ve had but the pay isn’t so great. In fact you might say it’s negative.

That noted, the outflow of boat bucks = inflow of shared experiences and future memories.

Sales, marketing, and operations in high tech can’t hold a candle to finally living in the here and now even if those prior lives are funding our current reality. But isn’t that the way it’s supposed to work?
 
What years did you cruise South Puget Sound in the C Lark.

I cruised those same areas around 1964 - 1965 when I was a youngster in a small sailboat.

Bunch of us kids camped out on Cutts Island without adult supervision for weeks.




1974 thru 1978 or so. Bought a 1959, 34' Monk in 1981, moored at Stanichis' dock in Gig Harbor . Back then I was fixing airplanes. Then started breaking them in 1985, boat turned over to my Father, who moored it at the end of the Harbor in the marina across the street from Finholms grocery, by the restaurant, whose name escapes me... He sold it to the insurance company in 1988. I stopped breaking helicopters in 2006, now my wife and I are metal Sculptures! Go figure. Looking for a trawler, '80's or newer, diesel, 44' to 55', looking to cruise half the year, at first, work half the year, then full time it in a few years . . .hard to look at boats right now . . . :mad:
 
1974 thru 1978 or so. Bought a 1959, 34' Monk in 1981, moored at Stanichis' dock in Gig Harbor . Back then I was fixing airplanes. Then started breaking them in 1985, boat turned over to my Father, who moored it at the end of the Harbor in the marina across the street from Finholms grocery, by the restaurant, whose name escapes me... He sold it to the insurance company in 1988. I stopped breaking helicopters in 2006, now my wife and I are metal Sculptures! Go figure. Looking for a trawler, '80's or newer, diesel, 44' to 55', looking to cruise half the year, at first, work half the year, then full time it in a few years . . .hard to look at boats right now . . . :mad:

Shoreline Restaurent.

Acquired by Anthony's Homeport a long time ago. Anthonys have restaurants in pretty much every marina and waterfront town on Puget Sound. They classed the Shoreline up along with the prices. The Shoreline sign is still on the roof.

I was out of boating in the mid 70's.
 
Retired Electrical Engineer. Exciting 50 years chasing new technologies and applications around the world before returning home to the Tennessee River Valley. Hobbies include Boats, Airplanes, golf, and fishing ... golf is a very expensive pass time!
Fish about $25,000 per/lb. :)
 

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