My Recommendations for Buying a Boat in Pensacola, FL

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m1021

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American Tug 34
Hi everyone! I'm just concluding my buying experience of an American Tug 34 and wanted to give some recommendations for anyone else buying a boat in Pensacola, FL.

Thanks to another member on here's recommendation, I am very glad that I went with Seth Mosley of Mosley Maritime for the general survey: https://mosleymaritime.com. The guy is super knowledgeable - surveys personal and all the way up to industrial boats/jobs. Detailed. Reasonable price for all that he offers/does. The survey report was long and very helpful. Afterwards, he spent tons of extra time with me, both on the boat after the survey showing me issues and explaining PLUS via email and phone afterwards counseling me on price of repairs and parts so that I could prepare my post-survey "ask" of the seller to come off the price. I have since heard from other people in the boat industry that I've been dealing with down in Pensacola that Seth is well-known around there as being top notch.

As for engine-specific surveyors, I went with the local Cummings dealer Saunders Yachtworks. I was warned that they were pricey and are the company that handles all the mega-yachts down there. But I was told it was important to go with a Cummings certified shop as they'd be the only ones who'd have the special computer equipment to plug into my digital engine. They cost 1,000 more than any other quotes I received, so it was a big decision to go with them. This cost more than the general survey by far. I spoke to the service supervisor about this and the nice fellow he sent out to do the survey. However, I was later told they couldn't get their computer thing to work, so I didn't get the benefit of the readout. I wasn't told that at the time during the sea trial. They did (without me having to ask first) knock a few hundred off the price in the end, which was good. But I was a bit worried to not have this service, as the boat did overheat during the sea trial and I'd wish I'd had more data on why as well as service history, etc.

The seller's broker was Kevin Barber of Edwards Yacht Sales. He was a good negotiator for the seller. :) But I felt he was a fair and warm person, and didn't rush me through the tour or survey at all - on the contrary - he allowed me to spend half a day crawling all over the boat on the tour alone. His communication throughout the process was excellent, and he went the extra mile to arrange details for me like getting the haulout, and just so much more. He made the entire process smooth. I would have liked it if Edwards Yacht Sales had permitted this to be co-brokered so I could have been represented directly myself, but that said, Kevin was excellent and has helped so much. The man works hard.

Finally, Performance Yacht Deliveries will be trucking the boat up to Maryland where the boat will live. So far, I am very impressed. I'll update when the job is done. Colt is the owner/operator. He seems to truly love his job and appreciate boats. I get the idea he will handle my baby with love. He is also highly regarded around there - all the other tradesmen spoke highly of him. His communication is excellent. He gave me a quote very quickly and it was fair.

Looking forward to getting her home and doing some work on her. She's not been serviced for a couple years. The poor thing will need the TLC and I can't wait to give it!

Final note: I am a 30's gal buying the boat on my own, showing up alone to the survey, and making all the arrangements myself. And I'm no pro either. Plus I get giggley/silly excited around my dreamboat. Given this fact, I was happy to find that Seth, Kevin, Colt all have treated me like I have a brain throughout this process. Respectful but still explaining stuff. Its been nice and empowering too!
 
If you don't mind me asking, what is it costing you to transport your new boat?
 
Congrats on your new baby. It is nice to see a lady buying a boat on her own.
 
Don't mind at all! It was quoted at $7,800, but then added $1,000 for the dinghy, and another $3,000 when the transporter realized it would need a pole car due to height. So all told, $11,800.
 
Great write-up of your boat buying experience! And not only wonderful to see another woman aboard here at TF, but also a relief to hear that you were treated respectfully by the local marine professionals. Personally, I know well how often that doesn't happen.

You will find the knowledgeable gents here on TF also very respectful of our gender, with the occasional mystifying post. It is the internet, after all.

How did you decide to go with the American Tug 34 (one of my all time favorite boats)?

Cheers,
Mrs. Pea Trombley
Aboard Mariso on the Tenn River
with hubby Dan and two boat pups
 
Update: the transporting process was tough, but I suppose that's typical?

My boat transporter had given Troendle Marine (the prep company) a to-do list and the seller's broker let them into the seller's private boat shed on Friday to prepare for the haulout and placement on the truck Monday. I thought whatever the transporter needed had been accomplished, as I'd authorized them to do the work and communicate with the transporter.

The transporter showed up Monday to the haulout with his truck ready and nothing at all on the boat had been prepped by Troendle Marine. I immediately called them, and they said that the seller's broker had told them they didn't have to do the list the transporter had given them. I have no clue if that is true or not, but regardless, why hadn't they called me to ask? I am the customer in this situation. Or even called the transporter for clarification...that would have been acceptable too. Who knows? I wasn't there...trying to stress about it from hundreds of miles away.

They said they had only scheduled themselves for a small amount of work - were told this wouldn't be a big job. So they didn't have much time.

They then went out to the boat, where the transporter was attempting to do the job alone to make deadlines (trucking a boat is a complex affair with lots of permits, route surveys, fees for all the states you are passing through. And in fact, he also said there was a curfew of 4pm that day out of Pensacola, so he had to get going. Meanwhile, it was pouring rain!

They apparently did 1 hr of work to remove the radar mast and an add-on bimini in the back.

The transporter then told me that - because they didn't remove the railings the week prior (that would have taken hours), the boat was sitting too high and thousands in extra permits would be needed if he hadn't loaded the boat further into the truck - which then caused damage when loading to the bow/hull below the waterline. He said the cost would be minimal for me to fix (I am waiting on the estimate now that the boat is safely here). He said it was a calculated decision to save me money (and I believe him and feel he was an excellent contractor for me).

When I arrived to see my boat - inside the boat nothing had been secured by Troendle Marine. For instance, they hadn't secured a fire extinguisher which had rolled all around on the teak and holly floor, making scratches in the otherwise beautiful floor.

The whole thing made me very unhappy with Troendle Marine, but I wasn't there and don't know the whole story. Very nervewracking to not be there in person. I only know what each party relayed to me.

I feel like Troendle Marine and Saunders Yachtworks were both big bummers in this process, and in both instances, nobody communicated to ME, the buyer and their customer. Which is so weird. I don't understand why.
 
Oh I could go on and on about the AT34!!! I've been drooling over them for years online. And in fact, I saw this same one for sale a couple years ago by the original owners, but didn't have the savings secured yet to make the purchase. I was overjoyed to see it back on the market earlier this year. It has a custom layout from the factory with two uber-comfy chairs rather than the L-shaped settee.

At any rate, I love American Tugs so much. The reliable Cummings engine. The fact the factory doesn't scrimp on anything - and overbuilds them. And the interior layout for full-time liveaboard use!!! Oh its dreamy. The head in those is huge, same with the galley (I love to cook). All the space where it matters. And yet small enough to get confident in by myself...that is really cool.
 
The trucking company should have insurance for the damages to the boat when they loaded it on the trailer. As far as the interior damages they probably make you responsible for securing things. But I would not accept responsibility for the damages loading it.
 
I get ya, but I do think the transporter probably saved me a few thousand by making that decision, and it was the fault (really) of the prep company for not doing his to-do list. So I think - in the end - I have no desire to ding him or his insurance rates for doing me a favor, ya know? I could be wrong, but that's my sense. In fact, I was grateful to have selected him for this part of the ordeal. He was super nice, good communication (the only one who did have good communication!), and very respectful of me.
 
Well as long as you are happy then it’s all good. Hope you enjoy your boat and have a great time cruising it.
 
Thanks for all your encouragement, everyone! I am having a lot of fun just working on the boat at the yard, and arranging work. Can't wait to have it in the water and move in!!!!
 
Wifey B: Go 1021. Love having another woman here, one who loves boats and does her own thing. :D
 
m1021, that`s bizarre. You are the customer,not the sellers broker. And yes, I suspect it`s BS for "we forgot". Hope it works out,damage minimal. A friend had his boat holed on the truck during transport, discovered only when it was lifted into the water.
 
As for engine-specific surveyors, I went with the local Cummings dealer Saunders Yachtworks. ... But I was told it was important to go with a Cummings certified shop as they'd be the only ones who'd have the special computer equipment to plug into my digital engine.

The reliable Cummings engine.


Cummins.

Not Cummings.

-Chris
 
If the avatar is the picture of you boat do you know if it spent any time in Orange Beach, AL? There was a little tug just like that that I would see in Cotton Bayou quite often. I always admired that boat.
 
Hi everyone! I'm just concluding my buying experience of an American Tug 34 and wanted to give some recommendations for anyone else buying a boat in Pensacola, FL.



Thanks to another member on here's recommendation, I am very glad that I went with Seth Mosley of Mosley Maritime for the general survey: https://mosleymaritime.com. The guy is super knowledgeable - surveys personal and all the way up to industrial boats/jobs. Detailed. Reasonable price for all that he offers/does. The survey report was long and very helpful. Afterwards, he spent tons of extra time with me, both on the boat after the survey showing me issues and explaining PLUS via email and phone afterwards counseling me on price of repairs and parts so that I could prepare my post-survey "ask" of the seller to come off the price. I have since heard from other people in the boat industry that I've been dealing with down in Pensacola that Seth is well-known around there as being top notch.



As for engine-specific surveyors, I went with the local Cummings dealer Saunders Yachtworks. I was warned that they were pricey and are the company that handles all the mega-yachts down there. But I was told it was important to go with a Cummings certified shop as they'd be the only ones who'd have the special computer equipment to plug into my digital engine. They cost 1,000 more than any other quotes I received, so it was a big decision to go with them. This cost more than the general survey by far. I spoke to the service supervisor about this and the nice fellow he sent out to do the survey. However, I was later told they couldn't get their computer thing to work, so I didn't get the benefit of the readout. I wasn't told that at the time during the sea trial. They did (without me having to ask first) knock a few hundred off the price in the end, which was good. But I was a bit worried to not have this service, as the boat did overheat during the sea trial and I'd wish I'd had more data on why as well as service history, etc.



The seller's broker was Kevin Barber of Edwards Yacht Sales. He was a good negotiator for the seller. :) But I felt he was a fair and warm person, and didn't rush me through the tour or survey at all - on the contrary - he allowed me to spend half a day crawling all over the boat on the tour alone. His communication throughout the process was excellent, and he went the extra mile to arrange details for me like getting the haulout, and just so much more. He made the entire process smooth. I would have liked it if Edwards Yacht Sales had permitted this to be co-brokered so I could have been represented directly myself, but that said, Kevin was excellent and has helped so much. The man works hard.



Finally, Performance Yacht Deliveries will be trucking the boat up to Maryland where the boat will live. So far, I am very impressed. I'll update when the job is done. Colt is the owner/operator. He seems to truly love his job and appreciate boats. I get the idea he will handle my baby with love. He is also highly regarded around there - all the other tradesmen spoke highly of him. His communication is excellent. He gave me a quote very quickly and it was fair.



Looking forward to getting her home and doing some work on her. She's not been serviced for a couple years. The poor thing will need the TLC and I can't wait to give it!



Final note: I am a 30's gal buying the boat on my own, showing up alone to the survey, and making all the arrangements myself. And I'm no pro either. Plus I get giggley/silly excited around my dreamboat. Given this fact, I was happy to find that Seth, Kevin, Colt all have treated me like I have a brain throughout this process. Respectful but still explaining stuff. Its been nice and empowering too!



A bit unclear on the “permitted” a co-broker thing. These folks, boat brokers, get paid 10%, which is the highest commission rate around. There is plenty to go around. Why in the world would they not allow a co-broker, and why would you agree to such a deal?

I’m glad it appears to have worked out, but I would have run the other way if they told me I couldn’t use my own representative.
 
Perhaps it did! It was Tennessee Rover back then. Owned by Carol and Bill Yancey.
 
Exactly, it was weird. This boat cost a ton of money, so I don't get why the broker's company wouldn't let it be available for co-brokerage.

I have a broker I trust and have known for years. He very generously offered to represent me for only 2.5% (rather than 5% typical) if I wanted to pay out of pocket. But I decided I really wasn't able to do that funds-wise, and also I already knew what boat I wanted (part of the value of a broker in helping you find your dreamboat, narrow it down, etc.)

But yeah, it was a bummer that Edwards Yacht Sales wouldn't allow co-brokerage. I mean, this was a boat that cost over 200K. I wonder what their limit is? Mega yachts?
 
Yup, full time liveaboard. Been living aboard since my 20's - full time including the winters.

I have a small storage unit - about the size of a walk-in closet on land and that's it. My mom was a serious hoarder, so my life has taken the opposite tack. I have always been a minimalist, and that was what originally drew me to living aboard (the desire to live tiny, more than wanting to live on the water originally - but I immediately caught the boat-bug and now I love both aspects).

Was on a nice, cheap Carver Mariner 350 - great boats for living on, and helped me hone my wishlist and learn what I needed out of a boat. I'll never knock Carvers - they really do know how to pack a lot of space in and their prices are great. But yeah, this AT34 has been my dreamboat for many years now....it was just a matter of saving up for it.
 
Congratulations! Enjoy your boat now!
 
Was the overheat during sea trial successfully resolved?
 
Exactly, it was weird. This boat cost a ton of money, so I don't get why the broker's company wouldn't let it be available for co-brokerage.

I have a broker I trust and have known for years. He very generously offered to represent me for only 2.5% (rather than 5% typical) if I wanted to pay out of pocket. But I decided I really wasn't able to do that funds-wise, and also I already knew what boat I wanted (part of the value of a broker in helping you find your dreamboat, narrow it down, etc.)

But yeah, it was a bummer that Edwards Yacht Sales wouldn't allow co-brokerage. I mean, this was a boat that cost over 200K. I wonder what their limit is? Mega yachts?

Because at the time you initially contacted them it was direct and not through a buyer's broker, so you established them as your broker. You didn't go into them initially telling them you were working with a broker.
 
Not yet, but it will be. The surveyors felt this was due to a lack of raw water flow. The seller admitted it had been over three years since the aftercooler has been cleaned and suggested a service on the after cooler, a raw water system flush on the transmission cooler and heat exchanger.

I am doing the bottom paint (it hadn't been done in years), compound wax on the super oxidized hull, re-doing the filthy bootstripe and re-naming the boat now while its out of the water.

Once in the water, I'll start on all the other survey recommendations. It is a long list. Nothing horrible or scary, but tons of little things due to lack of routine maintenance. The seller had the boat for only 2 yrs. Unfortunately, I never was able to get maintenance logs from the seller, despite asking for them many times (during the tour, survey, and after). He said that the difficulty producing them was because he kept one log for all his boats (he owns a dozen boats, and the log was on another boat - each time he said he'd get it for me so I could take camera photos or whatever, but never did). Regardless, I was unable to get those. Nor the logs from the owners previous to him (who had the boat 10 years and traveled the Great Loop in it) - not sure what he did with those or if he received those. So it will be all guess work as to the service history of the boat and any parts replacements.

Hopefully the previous owners are members of the AT owners-only private listserv and I can find out more there as to the history. I have yet to be able to join that group - just sent them proof of ownership, so hopefully soon.

I am meticulous/fanatical and will be logging everything. I have already started my spreadsheet based on the survey recommendations and have been starting to buy all the parts.

I have been so thankful for the AT Owner's Experiences document that someone shared with me during the purchase process. That lists part numbers for many things. Its been so helpful.
 
Yes, I did initially use my own broker to contact them. I was careful to do so.

My broker was told that the listing saying it was available for co-brokerage was incorrect and they meant to fix that, and it was actually not available for co-brokerage.

My broker then offered me a kind deal of 2.5% of the sale price to represent me if I wanted to pay him myself.
 
m1021, congrats from another extremely happy American Tug owner! the build quality and factory support is just exceptional and you're right that you should go ahead and get signed up on the ATOG group, there is good people and answers to most all your questions there. we've had our tug for several years and couldn't be happier, feel free to message me if there are any questions I can help with.:thumb:
 
m1021,


Congratulations on such a wonderful boat! And, overall, seems like your experience turned out quite well. With a purchase and transportation project of that size, seems like the issues were small.


And really nice to see professionals (and folks in general) treat a lady skipper like they should! I patronize a place were there's 3 or 4 very experienced lady skippers and just pisses me off when they are out on the dock helping someone dock and some muscle guy, who knows nothing, tries to take the line from them. A few times, I've told the muscle guy to just bug off. (no, I didn't get hit....)


That Tug is a GREAT boat and high on my list when shopping for a loop boat several years ago, but just out of my budget. Perhaps, it will be the "next" boat.


You have it made!
 
beware Franks Marine in that area, bunch of hacks
 

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