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Got this from Crusty:

I use NAPA Gold on my boat, but Fram on my truck. Not anymore!!!


 
Great video.

Now what about the filters for our specific engines....

Who makes the Yanmar filters for Yanmar.... etc?
 
I use Wix, whether sold through NAPA or elsewhere. On Cummins and Cat, use OEM. About the same price, and don't like messing around.
 
Crap, I have been using Fram filters for years thinking they were as good as anything out there. I really like the non slip grip on the can and not needing a wrench to change them, but guess I will be switching to NAPA Gold from now on...

I have used WIX on my Yanmar when I couldn't find Yanmar filters. It's nice to know they are well made! I may just cut open the one Fram I have for my F-250 to verify his study. It would be otherwise hard to just put it on and use it...
 
I use Wix, whether sold through NAPA or elsewhere. On Cummins and Cat, use OEM. About the same price, and don't like messing around.

I use NAPA on my 3208T/A. What get me is the 3208 filters are hugh, while the NAPA Gold filter for my Genny is tiny and 3 times more expensive!!

I was looking for the gold, but couldn't find any....:confused::socool:
 
PO used Napa Gold, so I did too...lucky me :D
 
I thought he did a pretty good job on the comparing. I might just message him and see if he would do a diesel motor comparison.
 
I use NAPA on my 3208T/A. What get me is the 3208 filters are hugh, while the NAPA Gold filter for my Genny is tiny and 3 times more expensive!!

I was looking for the gold, but couldn't find any....:confused::socool:


Lol you should see the normal 1R-1808. It holds just under 1 gal of oil.:D
 
I have done regular oil testing on my personal cars and my boats for at least 15 years. I used to use Fram filters. I understand that Fram filters are made of garbage, but never did I have an oil report that showed excessive or even elevated oil contaminants - whether using Fram or other much more highly thought of filters. So, while I no longer use Fram, I don't think they *work* as poorly as they seem to be constructed.

Ken
 
Glad I’m not using Fram, but I never guessed they were junk. Good, informative test! Thanks for posting this.
 
I use NAPA /Wix. If buying quantities, Fleetfilter.com has good pricing.

Ted
 
I have done regular oil testing on my personal cars and my boats for at least 15 years. I used to use Fram filters. I understand that Fram filters are made of garbage, but never did I have an oil report that showed excessive or even elevated oil contaminants - whether using Fram or other much more highly thought of filters. So, while I no longer use Fram, I don't think they *work* as poorly as they seem to be constructed.

Ken

I think you make a point here. Someone should do a comparison test of oil filters doing an oil analysis test of each one for a period of time. This would
truely show which filters are better than others. This video just show the construction of each one.
Myself, I always used the NAPA Gold.
 
That guy’s methodology is pathetic, and conclusions useless. I guess anyone’s an expert on the Internet

As someone who has cut open a number of new and used filters for analysis, two things leap out to me:

A) rust on uncoated interior surfaces is first off irrelevant, and secondly a function of storage conditions more than production. He didn’t explain how he controlled for that, and I don’t think it even entered his mind to do so.

B) only a rank idiot uses a side grinder to cut open oil cans - chain cutters and specialized, non-destructive cutters are widely, cheaply available. The damage to the Fram media is most likely from nickng it.

Other points that elude him are that the mark of a filter are results after use, and not first impressions. The Purolators are known to have horrible tearing problems with their media, so any superficial comparisons to the Fram are ridiculous simplifications. Fram did have a problem in the not-too-distant past, but resolved it. Purolator just ignores it.

The Wix XP and NAPA Gold are for all intents and purposes, the exact same filter off the same assembly line. He also compares those two “premium” filters to the base Fram instead of the corresponding filters from the Wix line.

I infact would never use the base model Fram myself, but that was just boisterous amusement he he produced for self promotion, it wasn’t anything truly useful.

Open a Fram Ultra filter, or run filtration and longevity tests on it, and then say that all Fram filters are bad... (that model is perhaps the finest lube filter on the market right now). Wix can only dream of meeting their filtration efficiency and longevity.

Most filters will do the job when they meet the required specifications. But that “comparison” was sloppy theater and not anything remotely valuable.

If anyone is really interested in filter comparisons and testing, the website bobistheoilguy.com is the definitive place to start gathering solid data nfo.
 
I had heard a similar review, did some more checking and the better rated Frams actually did well in other testing.

Read more, one internet source or testing is usually suspect...look at anchor reviews. :)
 
I had heard a similar review, did some more checking and the better rated Frams actually did well in other testing.

Read more, one internet source or testing is usually suspect...look at anchor reviews. :)
Do you mean my anchor is not the best? [emoji14]

L
 
Not changing our kitchen can opener for his. Effective,but messy.

We`ve had filter reviews before, without the chutzpah and assassination of one brand.If you go over the top like that,you expose your findings to doubt. Is he looking for "likes",clicks etc, he does say: "just click something" (or words to that effect).

In fairness, the comment about rust also went to quality control generally.
 
Hi,

This way, oil filters can be tested more accurately and find real differences.:angel:

ISO 16889-2 test to measure the ability of the filter to clean dirt particles from the oil. The filtering capability of the oil filter is as follows: First, insert the filter into the test bench as it would normally be in the car lubrication system. Thereafter, the test oil begins to flow through the filter and the oil is blended with A3 test dust according to ISO 12103-1 containing particles of 1-100 micrometers in diameter.

Of these, the number of particles of 20, 25, 30, 40 and 50 micrometers was measured before and after the filter. The number difference tells you how well the filter can clean up for each size class.

The size classes have been chosen because they are extremely damaging to the engine.

These five different sizes were not criticized at the same weight, but the major ones gained a higher emphasis. The filter life was determined by the likelihood capacity and was found at the same time as the filtering capacity. Slump capacity refers to the amount of test dust that can be sprayed on the filter before it gets blocked so much that the by-pass valve is opened. The slime capacity varied very much between different filter marks.

My opinion is that currently the best oil filters are synthetic/micro class fiber media filters like Donaldson Blue, Fleetguard Strapore and Platinium Napa etc, Because they precipitate particles of cellulose media more efficiently also smaller particles removes more than 90% of contaminants that are 10 microns or larger, cellulose filters typically remove 50% or less.


The price is not at all a barrier, for example Cummins 5.9 and 6.7
https://puredieselpower.com/dodge-products/5.9l-6.7l-cummins-donaldson-blue-dbl7349-oil-filter.html

NBs


Same particel 20 micron


Syntetic filter
synthetic_600px.jpg



and selluosa
cellulose2_600px.jpg
 
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That guy’s methodology is pathetic, and conclusions useless. I guess anyone’s an expert on the Internet

As someone who has cut open a number of new and used filters for analysis, two things leap out to me:

A) rust on uncoated interior surfaces is first off irrelevant, and secondly a function of storage conditions more than production. He didn’t explain how he controlled for that, and I don’t think it even entered his mind to do so.

B) only a rank idiot uses a side grinder to cut open oil cans - chain cutters and specialized, non-destructive cutters are widely, cheaply available. The damage to the Fram media is most likely from nickng it.

Other points that elude him are that the mark of a filter are results after use, and not first impressions. The Purolators are known to have horrible tearing problems with their media, so any superficial comparisons to the Fram are ridiculous simplifications. Fram did have a problem in the not-too-distant past, but resolved it. Purolator just ignores it.

The Wix XP and NAPA Gold are for all intents and purposes, the exact same filter off the same assembly line. He also compares those two “premium” filters to the base Fram instead of the corresponding filters from the Wix line.

I infact would never use the base model Fram myself, but that was just boisterous amusement he he produced for self promotion, it wasn’t anything truly useful.

Open a Fram Ultra filter, or run filtration and longevity tests on it, and then say that all Fram filters are bad... (that model is perhaps the finest lube filter on the market right now). Wix can only dream of meeting their filtration efficiency and longevity.

Most filters will do the job when they meet the required specifications. But that “comparison” was sloppy theater and not anything remotely valuable.

If anyone is really interested in filter comparisons and testing, the website bobistheoilguy.com is the definitive place to start gathering solid data nfo.

Sorry, could you please provide a link as to any oil filter info on the site you identified? I did a quick check and couldn’t locate. Merely to gather solid data you know.
 
"Now back to mystery oil :D what are people's thoughts ?"

If you mean Mystery Marvel Oil, a friend that worked for a major oil co. sent a sample to their lab.

#1 diesel fuel and oil of wintergreen for aroma .
 
Another issue with the old Fram vendetta. Notice I said "old." Filter manufacturing has changed a lot over the years, all manufacturers.

We use OEM or OEM recommended. Make no proclamation whatsoever that they're better, but part of good warranty protection and just trusting the manufacturer. Cost difference is so minimal over the long term. We have built relationships that get us good discounts and we keep a supply on hand.
 
That is my take as well. Im not goimg to test every filter or oil in the market. Marketing strechest the truth to to edge of reality, so what is left? Need to trust something or someone. So i use oem parts. Only exception is if i know for a fact oem is made by company x, and its the same specs garenteed.
 
That guy’s methodology is pathetic, and conclusions useless. I guess anyone’s an expert on the Internet

As someone who has cut open a number of new and used filters for analysis, two things leap out to me:

A) rust on uncoated interior surfaces is first off irrelevant, and secondly a function of storage conditions more than production. He didn’t explain how he controlled for that, and I don’t think it even entered his mind to do so.

B) only a rank idiot uses a side grinder to cut open oil cans - chain cutters and specialized, non-destructive cutters are widely, cheaply available. The damage to the Fram media is most likely from nickng it.

Other points that elude him are that the mark of a filter are results after use, and not first impressions. The Purolators are known to have horrible tearing problems with their media, so any superficial comparisons to the Fram are ridiculous simplifications. Fram did have a problem in the not-too-distant past, but resolved it. Purolator just ignores it.

The Wix XP and NAPA Gold are for all intents and purposes, the exact same filter off the same assembly line. He also compares those two “premium” filters to the base Fram instead of the corresponding filters from the Wix line.

I infact would never use the base model Fram myself, but that was just boisterous amusement he he produced for self promotion, it wasn’t anything truly useful.

Open a Fram Ultra filter, or run filtration and longevity tests on it, and then say that all Fram filters are bad... (that model is perhaps the finest lube filter on the market right now). Wix can only dream of meeting their filtration efficiency and longevity.

Most filters will do the job when they meet the required specifications. But that “comparison” was sloppy theater and not anything remotely valuable.

If anyone is really interested in filter comparisons and testing, the website bobistheoilguy.com is the definitive place to start gathering solid data nfo.



Sorry, could you please provide a link as to any oil filter info on the site you identified? I did a quick check and couldn’t locate. Merely to gather solid data you know.

Hey Civiitas tell us how you really feel......:D

I would have to agree with Crusty.:whistling:
 
Another issue with the old Fram vendetta. Notice I said "old." Filter manufacturing has changed a lot over the years, all manufacturers.

We use OEM or OEM recommended. Make no proclamation whatsoever that they're better, but part of good warranty protection and just trusting the manufacturer. Cost difference is so minimal over the long term. We have built relationships that get us good discounts and we keep a supply on hand.

Hi

Time goes by and the products evolve, for example, Cummins has upgraded the filter recommendation vs owner's manual on my engine made in 2009 by qsb 5.9. Prior to recommending the Fleetguard selluosa paper media filter FL3959, they have made an update to your recommendation using a Starapore media LF3894 filter with 30 MICRON EFFICIENCY, TWA is 5% better particle filtration power and if technically understand the importance of this, it is possible to find even better filters on the market than an OEM recommendation that is sufficient but why not use a better one based on technical facts not the image.

Cummins update:
https://catalog.cumminsfiltration.com/catalog/PrinApp.do?reqCmd=PartInfoWorksheet&criteria=part


Here is a brave demonstration, if there is no technical fact for this comparison, it is difficult to see this kind of publication. I do not claim Donaldson bluen to be the most effective filter and therefore I would love to hear from a better manufacturer if it is based on the facts.

https://www.donaldson.com/content/d...Flow-Lube-Filters-for-Cummins-ISX-Engines.pdf

These differences between a different brand of oil, oil filter or others will only be visible after a long period of wear of the engine, so from the owner's point of view I am a purely believer, it is certainly the most important thing to do oil service on time, but interesting to me to compare things with boating when there is winter and the boat is in store house waiting spring.
NBs
 
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Went looking for more info on this subject and I’m surprised on the amount of individuals that sorta came to the same conclusion. To be fair, the majority cut up the bargain Fram filter and very few cut up Frams more premium filters, and I dont really know what a premium Fram filter would be called or if they have different levels.
I was still surprised at the type of materials used by filter manufactures and how many of them “appeared” to be made by the same company.
Now, it’s back to “Anchor Research”!
 

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