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As of today, October 17, 2018, cannabis (marijuana) is legal in Canada in the amount of 30 grams and under.

Canada is the second country, after Uruguay, to make the possession of cannabis legal nation wide.

I don't plan to partake myself (worried the building anticipation could trigger remnant limbic system receptors from when I stopped drinking eight years ago) but it could cause concern both for Canadian's crossing borders into other countries, or International boaters returning home from Canada.

Here's a little information to get your research started:
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/laws-regulations.html

Crossing borders:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-smoke-pot-us-border-oct-17-1.4865696
 
I should add that US border officials used wiggle words like ‘could’ and ‘may’ as opposed to ‘will’ and ‘shall’ when making recent statements regarding cannabis and people crossing into the US from Canada.
 
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The amount of money the Canadian and Provincial governments will make on this is staggering. As with most government controlled businesses, follow the money.

In BC, the news is centered on Pot, and keeping the media focused on it minimizes discussions of government lapses, NAFTA, pipelines etc. Saw some comments from the medical community yesterday and they were saying how they couldn’t speak out on the downsides as freely as they’d like because of their employer - the BC government.
 
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Maybe legal in B.C., but illegal in U.S. federal waters under Coast Guard control. You run the risk of a fine, confiscation of your vessel and jail time.
 
Murray, when coming into Washington State from BC, bear in mind that marijuana is still illegal as far as the US government is concerned, even though several states including Washington have made possession of small amounts legal. Since the feds run the border crossings, I'd be surprisd if they knowingly let any pot pass through from Canada.
 
sunchaser said:
The amount of money the Canadian and Provincial governments will make on this is staggering. As with most government controlled businesses, follow the money.

In BC, the news is centered on Pot, and keeping the media focused on it minimizes discussions of government lapses, NAFTA, pipelines etc. Saw some comments from the medical community yesterday and they were saying how they couldn’t speak out on the downsides as freely as they’d like because of their employer - the BC government.
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With only one legal store ready to go in Kamloops, the BC gov isn't going to get rich any time soon. Business as usual for the ignored, but illegal suppliers. Newfoundland is ready with 24 stores up and running.
 
What pisses me off is the black marketeers will still evade taxes and continue money laundering while preaching their moral “high” ground!
 
koliver said:
With only one legal store ready to go in Kamloops, the BC gov isn't going to get rich any time soon. Business as usual for the ignored, but illegal suppliers. Newfoundland is ready with 24 stores up and running.
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Right you are. It seems BC wants to closely regulate them and prices, as they do alcohol. In CO the pot shops are ubiquitous and not set up as government entities. So when legalization occurred they were off to the races.
 
I didn't read the articles but it was my understanding that it is still illegal to bring pot into Canada.
 
What is the issue with this legalization? People who want to smoke weed already smoke weed, no difficulty to find it everywhere. People not interested won’t start to smoke. Overall nothing will change except that money will go in gov wallet instead of hell angels. Benefit will be that this will cut finance source of many criminal org. A recent poll shows that 80% of people here do not care if it is legal or not and won’t start usage because of it.

L
 
sunchaser said:
The amount of money the Canadian and Provincial governments will make on this is staggering. As with most government controlled businesses, follow the money.

In BC, the news is centered on Pot, and keeping the media focused on it minimizes discussions of government lapses, NAFTA, pipelines etc. Saw some comments from the medical community yesterday and they were saying how they couldn’t speak out on the downsides as freely as they’d like because of their employer - the BC government.
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I think they'll (tax payers) lose millions. Think of the thousands of bureaucrats with government pensions that will be added to control the system. I think the retailers might do ok for a while due to the novelty but they are already selling higher than the street price. The street dealers have not left the country.
 
boatpoker said:
I think they'll (tax payers) lose millions. Think of the thousands of bureaucrats with government pensions that will be added to control the system. I think the retailers might do ok for a while due to the novelty but they are already selling higher than the street price. The street dealers have not left the country.
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How many people are buying counterfeit cigarette or alcohol because it is cheaper to get contraband? Some for sure, but not the majority. Same will apply for weed. Most of people will prefer to easily go to the nearby store where they will find different products and where quality is controlled instead of taking the risk to deal with a criminal.

L
 
Lou_tribal said:
How many people are buying counterfeit cigarette or alcohol because it is cheaper to get contraband? Some for sure, but not the majority. Same will apply for weed. Most of people will prefer to easily go to the nearby store where they will find different products and where quality is controlled instead of taking the risk to deal with a criminal.

L
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You may want to read this article from CBC on the volume of illegal cigarettes being sold.

I don't smoke weed but a surprising number of older adult acquaintances do and they have been buying from the same dealers for many years. I know two dealers who make a very good living at it. Their homes, families, manner of dress etc. are no different than their neighbours in moderately upscale Mississauga.

You must also recognize the difficulty in obtaining illegal smokes and booze whereas there are long established local weed access infrastructure
 
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boatpoker said:
You may want to read this article from CBC on the volume of illegal cigarettes being sold.

I don't smoke weed but a surprising number of older adult acquaintances do and they have been buying from the same dealers for many years. I know two dealers who make a very good living at it. Their homes, families, manner of dress etc. are no different than their neighbours in moderately upscale Mississauga.

You must also recognize the difficulty in obtaining illegal smokes and booze whereas there are long established local weed access infrastructure
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Like I said, some will use contraband, but not the majority. The article confirm, a third is a lot but not a majority.

L
 
Lou_tribal said:
Like I said, some will use contraband, but not the majority. The article confirm, a third is a lot but not a majority.

L
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I believe you are missing the point that in any Ontario City illegal weed is available within a few minutes while illegal cigarettes are a 3hr. round trip for most of Ontario's population.

I believe that factor and the street price being much lower .... illegal pot sales will far surpass the 1/3 of smoke sales.
Don't forget that the legal sales are likely to be hit with the same "sin" tax increases as smokes and booze so every time the government makes another tax grab the illegal market grows.
 
Greetings,
Re: post #9..."What pisses me off is the black marketeers will still evade taxes and continue money laundering while preaching their moral “high” ground!"


What pisses ME off is the US marijuana producers (the "legal" ones, cough, cough) are raising a stink to the POTUS that Canada is going to corner the market and they (the "legal" producers) are going to loose 'uge sums of $$!


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/10/16/us-cannabis-firms-trump_a_23562603/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage


So, is this **** illegal or what? WTF!!!!
 
While I didn't bother to read the article, I'm curious if there's an age minimum or are you going to be having more dopes in school.

Ted
 
O C Diver said:
While I didn't bother to read the article, I'm curious if there's an age minimum or are you going to be having more dopes in school.

Ted
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Minimum age is in theory the same as for alcohol or tobacco, here it is 18 (quebec).

L
 
Lou_tribal said:
What is the issue with this legalization? People who want to smoke weed already smoke weed, no difficulty to find it everywhere. People not interested won’t start to smoke. Overall nothing will change except that money will go in gov wallet instead of hell angels. Benefit will be that this will cut finance source of many criminal org. A recent poll shows that 80% of people here do not care if it is legal or not and won’t start usage because of it.

L
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Believe it or not, there are a number of folks here in the US who really do try to avoid breaking the law, even if they don’t necessarily agree with it. It is a little early to tell here in WA state, but early research indicates that marijuana usage has gone up since it was legalized.
 
NYT had an interesting article about weed legalization. In California due to regulation, bureaocracy and taxation, legal weed is almost twice as expensive as the old black market stuff and total weed sales has only gone up a little, maybe 15%.


Sounds like a classical regulation/tax situation: if you decreases taxes and regulation that might increase total sales so actual taxes might rise.



What apparently has increased are all of the edible cannabis products. Apparently the black market guys don't service that market so the legal market now abounds with it.


David
 
Walk around Amsterdam. You smell it everywhere. Not just in cafes.
As it seems Canadians already get it at will there should be no change in postings.
Is it included in the US/ Canada Free Trade Agreement.Big export market?
What about "growing your own"? Is that protected,would the quantity limit frustrate that?
The good thing which could come out of this is medical cannabis. No idea how it works, but the oil derived is reported as remarkably successful in cases of frequent epileptic seizures, and relief from intractable pain of cancer etc. Doctors here are reluctant to prescribe it though they can, this may make it easier in Canada if a similar reluctance exists.
 
In the end it is not a great money maker. I just read an article about the Oregon 1 million pound Marijuana surplus. Almost no barriers to entry and prices have been crashing. Surplus cannot be moved to other states legally.
 
BruceK said:
Walk around Amsterdam. You smell it everywhere. Not just in cafes.
As it seems Canadians already get it at will there should be no change in postings.
Is it included in the US/ Canada Free Trade Agreement.Big export market?
What about "growing your own"? Is that protected,would the quantity limit frustrate that?
The good thing which could come out of this is medical cannabis. No idea how it works, but the oil derived is reported as remarkably successful in cases of frequent epileptic seizures, and relief from intractable pain of cancer etc. Doctors here are reluctant to prescribe it though they can, this may make it easier in Canada if a similar reluctance exists.
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Canada has been writing prescriptions for medical marijuana for years and is not hard to get through a doctor.
Not included in the new "NAFTA" (USMCA) as it is still federally illegal in the US and USMCA is a Federal deal
 
Greetings,
Mr. bp. "...it is still federally illegal in the US..." Well, yes and no. It's not as illegal as it was. It (CBD, a cannabis derivative) used to be classed as a schedule I drug and NO use what-so-ever was permitted BUT as of Sept 28, 2018 it was downgraded to a schedule V drug and allowed to be used in FDA approved drug preparations.


http://www.baystreet.ca/articles/stockstowatch.aspx?id=4593


Amazing what rich lobbyists can get accomplished.
 
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BruceK said:
Walk around Amsterdam. You smell it everywhere. Not just in cafes.
As it seems Canadians already get it at will there should be no change in postings.
Is it included in the US/ Canada Free Trade Agreement.Big export market?
What about "growing your own"? Is that protected,would the quantity limit frustrate that?
The good thing which could come out of this is medical cannabis. No idea how it works, but the oil derived is reported as remarkably successful in cases of frequent epileptic seizures, and relief from intractable pain of cancer etc. Doctors here are reluctant to prescribe it though they can, this may make it easier in Canada if a similar reluctance exists.
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And this is where it get interesting, people are allowed to grow it for their own use (limited in plant number). Considering that it is pretty simple to grow a lot of people who are regular consumers will have their homegrown weed.
We will see what things will be in one year but as a good example for me is alcohol prohibition in US, only result was to make bootleggers and mafia richer and increase contraband induced criminality...

L
 
boatpoker said:
Canada has been writing prescriptions for medical marijuana for years and is not hard to get through a doctor.
Not included in the new "NAFTA" (USMCA) as it is still federally illegal in the US and USMCA is a Federal deal
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Interesting as I have an acquaintance who has a need of CBD oil and CBD balm. With the medical process in Canada (B.C.) she has to have her doctor prescribe to obtain, because her assigned doctor will not agree, and her condition is arthritis, not a life threatening illness, because he doesn't personally believe in the use, she is without legally.
It was my hope that now all forms obviously being legal, she could simply go to a outlet and purchase either or both, Not the case?
why?
 
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