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Brisyboy

Brisyboy

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Location
Australia
Vessel Name
Malagari
Vessel Make
Island Gypsy 36 Europa
Has anyone got a line drawing of an IG Europa in profile.

I want to use it as a logo with her name underneath for crew shirts and maybe handtowels and linen.

The simpler the better as it cannot have too much detail for an embroidery

cheers

George
 
Just checked my Owners Manual, various schematic drawings but nothing like that.
The BoatUS one is the aft cabin version, whereas the Europa is a "sedan" embellished with Europa add ons. More searching required, or start with a pic.
 
BruceK said:
Just checked my Owners Manual, various schematic drawings but nothing like that.
The BoatUS one is the aft cabin version, whereas the Europa is a "sedan" embellished with Europa add ons. More searching required, or start with a pic.
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Do you have a good, clear, profile photo? A lot of the photo processing SW can "posterize" or "outline" and over-contrast a photo and you can get what you need - might take a bit of playing around. Some judicious cutting within the photo editor also needed. I could take a stab at it if you have a good photo.
 
The Owners Manual has various schematic drawings but not this one.The BoatUS review pictures an aft cabin, the Europa is the sedan without the aft cabin but with Europa features added.
Here is a little article by Harvey Halvorsen I found on choosing the IG name. Island Gypsy — Halvorsen Boats Who knew American Marine/GB was in liquidation back then? The IG premises in Hong Kong are modest, but I think the real building was going on in mainland China, even then.
 
BruceK said:
The Owners Manual has various schematic drawings but not this one.The BoatUS review pictures an aft cabin, the Europa is the sedan without the aft cabin but with Europa features added.
Here is a little article by Harvey Halvorsen I found on choosing the IG name. Island Gypsy — Halvorsen Boats Who knew American Marine/GB was in liquidation back then? The IG premises in Hong Kong are modest, but I think the real building was going on in mainland China, even then.
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Just played with a couple of photos from the link. Maybe someone could at least trace something similar to this?
 

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I'd like to find a real line drawing of an IG. Or of other "trawlers".

This is a true "line drawing". Hard to find for most of our boats. http://www.america-scoop.com/images/stories/1937/EndeavourIILinesDBig.jpg

My skill, such as it is, can make half models from proper line drawings. Not skilled enough to do it from pictures or profiles.

My latest model is of T.O.M. Sopwith's Endeavour 1934:
 

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dwhatty said:
I'd like to find a real line drawing of an IG. Or of other "trawlers".

This is a true "line drawing". Hard to find for most of our boats. http://www.america-scoop.com/images/stories/1937/EndeavourIILinesDBig.jpg

My skill, such as it is, can make half models from proper line drawings. Not skilled enough to do it from pictures or profiles.

My latest model of T.O.M. Sopwith's Endeavour 1934:
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I think I have a line drawing of different sections of an Alaskan 49 that I got off of the Grand Banks site at work. These two are part of the package I down loaded . I'll check tomorrow on the line drawing.
 

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Brisyboy's boat Line drawing.jpg

This is your photo put through Photoshop and making it a line drawing out of it. Not sure if it helps or not... I can send you the little file if you send me a PM.
 

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Here's the most similar one yet I think.

GB 36 prototype "Spray". Said to be the exact same hull of the GB 36.
Considerably more deadrise than the IG, especially aft. And the IG's chines fwd are wider. Probably a more stable boat. At least initially. Marin Fare sent this to me. Sorry but I don't have the IG's lines.

But then a line drawing is not a lines dwg.
Definitely not suitable for a logo.
 

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Down load the program GIMP. It’s a photoshop like program. Load the closes picture you have. Then either use the outline feature or make your own line drawing by overlaying lines on your drawing. It will take some effort but in the end it will be exactly what you want.

I have done this in the past to engrave images on controll panels.
 
Brisyboy said:
Has anyone got a line drawing of an IG Europa in profile.

I want to use it as a logo with her name underneath for crew shirts and maybe handtowels and linen.

The simpler the better as it cannot have too much detail for an embroidery

cheers

George
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George - Visit Vistaprint... for embroidery on some types of items.
 
David Hawkins, that's lovely! And it's a long way from a lines drawing to that result. Lifts? Buttocks lines or waterlines? Or plank on frame?
 
DHeckrotte said:
David Hawkins, that's lovely! And it's a long way from a lines drawing to that result. Lifts? Buttocks lines or waterlines? Or plank on frame?
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Lift method. Took a week long course on half model building at the WoodenBoat School a year ago. Lot of fun. If I can find proper line drawings for something like our IG32 I may try the buttock method as it's more suitable for power boat models.
 
David, I'll bet you could do a trawler hull with plank on frame faster/easier. These things are pretty much flat or twisted surfaces and strips would warp to the shape readily.

I made a 3' model of a Flying Dutchman, a 20' centerboard planing sloop when I was about 12. I used 1/2" lifts of white pine. It's a pretty lousy job, I'll confess. But, even with aluminum sheet for rudder and cb and muslin sails, it would plane. I sailed it only once; it took off planing quite fast and I was lucky that it made a mistake. I was able to catch it rowing after it.
 
Thanks everyone for the suggestions, all helpful.

I think the first thing I need to do is find a shot of the boat as near as possible to a side elevation -taken with the camera a bit higher than sitting in the dingy and photoshop that. I have a soon to be son in law who is in the digital media business and has all sorts of clever programs that should reduce a photo down to a simple drawing.

When I get it ready for the embroidery I`ll post it here and make it available to whoever is smart enough to own an IG 36Europa:socool:

Ok Ok I now understand it not a line drawing but as far as I can understand its a drawing made up of lines - as opposed to a photo - so please excuse my indiscretion.:facepalm:
 
dwhatty said:
Lift method. Took a week long course on half model building at the WoodenBoat School a year ago. Lot of fun. If I can find proper line drawings for something like our IG32 I may try the buttock method as it's more suitable for power boat models.
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Could you measure the hull next time out of the water?

Tedious, but doable.

Could laser scan ($$$) or use photogrammetry ($) too. Never know unless you ask. You might get a good deal if they are training new technicians.

I have some, but not all, of the stations for my 26' Nordic Tugs hull on different drawings I've collected. I've thought of doing the measuring myself for the stations I am missing.
 
Brisyboy, it's true your post was hijacked. All you want is a nice graphic of your boat for your logo. Some of us enthusiastically jumped into talk of lines drawings which are the way NAs describe and transmit a three dimensional hull shape onto and back off of paper.

Eric, on post 11 above includes a nice graphic that mixes an odd sort of lines drawing with an interior plan. More typically, besides the sections (sections perpendicular to both the planes of the waterline and of the centerline) a lines drawing would include a complete collection of waterlines (horizontal sections parallel to the plane of the waterline) and a complete collection of buttocks lines (longitudinal sections parallel to the plane of the centerline). Many lines drawings have a collection of diagonals which are sections drawn on planes at angles to the waterline. Many lines drawings, like Eric's, have a curve representing how the volume of the below-water hull is distributed (the dashed line at the bottom).

Eric's incomplete graphic of the lines is plenty enough to describe, give a good sense of, the simple shape of a trawler to a layperson. Extending the buttocks lines up past the chine would be confusing to most people. Extending those waterlines that are above the waterline aft along the hull would be pretty boring given the flat shape of the sides of the hull from midships aft. No one could really do much with even a complete set of lines without the accompanying 'table of offsets' which give the measurements to all the intersections of the various lines; it's the offsets that one uses to 'loft', draw the boat out full size, to make pieces or moulds.
 
DHeckrotte,
Think I got that right.
Yes and the propper lines dwg would include the QBBL (quarter beam buttock line) that I’ve used to talk about the difference between FD and SD boats.
 
This won`t help except to establish what a line drawing can look like.
It`s a drawing that came with my Marieholm26 Folkboat, though it is actually of an International Folkboat. An advertising agency I was doing some work for had their art department clean up the drawing, and I had it framed.
Rotated and a little dark, but you`ll get the idea.
 

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Thanks Bruce. I guess the strength of the TF is that it is made up of an eclectic group of people - some are individuals and want to remain so, others share a common background and set of interests - one such group who are having a bit of a yack here are the marine pedants - good luck to them, and let them carry on in their exquisitely precise way, although it can be a bit frustrating when a post asks a fairly simple question that drifts off into the esoteric.

I thought my initial post was fairly clear to the non card carrying marine pedants. :)
 
George, if you could contact Mark Halvorsen you might get a line drawing. Codger2 knows Harvey Halvorsen, that might be another approach.You might have to settle for a non Europa sedan,I only know of 3 Europas, yours, mine, and one sold at Bobbin Head a year or so back.
Failing that, providing a photo to someone who does drawings, eg an architectural draftsman,or an artist, might be a way. And you could get things omitted if you want, like the bbq.
 
With today's fancy computer graphics of sorts, photo shop etc.... couldn't a photo be made into what you seek??
 
Brisyboy said:
it can be a bit frustrating when a post asks a fairly simple question that drifts off into the esoteric.


Some of the all time classic posts have started out this way. The thread hijack has become almost an art form on Trawler Forum. Frustrating to the OP but usually entertaining to the rest of us. :rolleyes:
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True Andy. I thought the drawing on the BoatUS site which gaston found would have suited your boat but on review, it`s a sundeck version, which I didn`t know existed.
 
Andy G said:
Brisyboy said:
it can be a bit frustrating when a post asks a fairly simple question that drifts off into the esoteric.


Some of the all time classic posts have started out this way. The thread hijack has become almost an art form on Trawler Forum. Frustrating to the OP but usually entertaining to the rest of us. :rolleyes:
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Hey, hey Andy... no need to get personal here! - LOL :dance:
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Bris,
What you’re looking for (it seems) is a profile drawing.
If you had asked on boatdesign.net everybody would assume you were looking for a “lines drawing”.
I was looking at “lines drawings” by John Atkins (and others) before I was a teenager in the public library. But most boaters don’t know what they are. So perhaps “line drawing” was totally approprate here. But I assumed you were looking for a lines drawing.
But if you want to learn something about boat design get acquainted w lines drawings and what the lines mean.
 
Brisyboy said:
Thanks Bruce. I guess the strength of the TF is that it is made up of an eclectic group of people - some are individuals and want to remain so, others share a common background and set of interests - one such group who are having a bit of a yack here are the marine pedants - good luck to them, and let them carry on in their exquisitely precise way, although it can be a bit frustrating when a post asks a fairly simple question that drifts off into the esoteric.

I thought my initial post was fairly clear to the non card carrying marine pedants. :)
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Mea Culpa. Mea Culpa. Sincere apologies.
 
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