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Has the US ever recovered from the millions of immigrants which flooded into the country between 1905-1915? Those annual numbers were higher than the immigrants into Germany.


Immigration is only the first step towards assimilation! Assimilation took years in the United States after the great waves. There were population centers where people never even learned English. Even today I encounter numerous people whose origin is from Spanish speaking countries that cannot speak English.
 
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Mr. f. "...that cannot speak English." In some counties in the south unless I listen REALLY hard I don't think they're speaking English either but that's just my untrained ear...
 
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Mr. f. "...that cannot speak English." In some counties in the south unless I listen REALLY hard I don't think they're speaking English either but that's just my untrained ear...


Yes, and that is really a shame brought about by their habitat and possibly schooling. It certainly does not help those you describe gain independence via employment.
 
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Immigration doe not mean assimilation... I am an immigrate in Canada and I won't abandon all my cultural bagage behind me just because I moved to a new country, and that does not mean either I will not be part of my new country. Bringing your culture, in all and every aspect of life, sharing it with others, give and receive, this is invaluable and a real richness for a country.

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Immigration doe not mean assimilation... I am an immigrate in Canada and I won't abandon all my cultural bagage behind me just because I moved to a new country, and that does not mean either I will not be part of my new country. Bringing your culture, in all and every aspect of life, sharing it with others, give and receive, this is invaluable and a real richness for a country.

Canada doesn't stress assimilation...we have the concept of multiculturalism, perfectly described above. There are some who don't like the idea, but they are seriously outnumbered.
 
Canada doesn't stress assimilation...



That is true AND how sad!!! How many times has French speaking Quebec voted for sovereignty?? ..........twice by the way!


A similar movement in our Country was settled with a civil war that cost over 500,000 lives. Today, like it or not we are a united country.
 
That is true AND how sad!!! How many times has French speaking Quebec voted for sovereignty?? ..........twice by the way!


A similar movement in our Country was settled with a civil war that cost over 500,000 lives. Today, like it or not we are a united country.

Really? Settled was it? Things going smoothly down there?

Thanks, but we'll continue our tradition of discussion and diplomacy rather than war to resolve our problems.
 
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Mr. f. Quebec separation movement? Yup, it's happened and so has a movement in BC for IT to separate but I don't see either happening in the next 50 to 100 years or so...I think if it came to war, Quebec would win hands down with the amount of Poutine they have in their arsenal...

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Really? Settled was it? Things going smoothly down there?

Thanks, but we'll continue our tradition of discussion and diplomacy rather than war to resolve our problems.



You may not have war and of course, nobody wants to emulate what is going on in the middle-east but that does not mean you will have assimilation. Sad!
 
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You may not have war and of course, nobody wants to emulate what is going on in the middle-east but that does not mean you will have assimilation. Sad!

Stop for a second. Breathe. I'll go slowly for you.

We...don't...want...ass...imi...lation. We...like...multi...cultur...a...lism :thumb: :thumb:
 
Stop for a second. Breathe. I'll go slowly for you.

We...don't...want...ass...imi...lation. We...like...multi...cultur...a...lism :thumb: :thumb:

I GET IT......I GET IT ........I GET IT, yes........babble, babble ............
 
Foggy, you might want to take a step back. Folks are simply disagreeing with you, not trying to be disagreeable. Suggesting then use a dictionary to spell or to understand words is being disagreeable.

One of the points that posters were trying to make is that the US is a country founded, built, and developed by immigrants. That seems to have worked out pretty well for us. At every turn, those that arrived earlier, have always decried the later arrivals as "un-American".

The Irish were viewed as being on a par with the blacks. Catholics were treated with suspicion and of course Jews were going to be the ruin of our country. Italians, Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Russians and Ukrainians, and Mexicans have all immigrated to this country. Most of these groups were viewed with contempt, yet America absorbed them into our culture and was enriched by it. The all eventually assimilated, but it takes several generations.

I can trace my fathers WASP family back to the early 1700s in the states before the records get lost. My mothers family immigrated from England and Sweden some time in the early 1800s. However, my father-in-law grew up in Wisconsin speaking German in the home and in church. His family bible is in German along with his baptismal certificate. He was second generation of his family born in the US. Yet even so he served in the Navy in WWII along with plenty of other men whom grew up in homes still speaking a language from their families former "home country".

The same will undoubtably occur now. The current crop of immigrants and refugees will have grandchildren who will likely be as Xenophobic as many of us are today, decrying those that want to immigrate into our country and complaining that they aren't becoming "American" enough, quickly enough just as you are.
 
Just because people want to immigrate into our country, does NOT mean they are getting in. Further, one is not an immigrant until he/she immigrates. You really should consider a dictionary.

27% of the US population is either immigrant of children of immigrants. Over 13% is immigrants. While many from Mexico, huge numbers from Asia, both India and China. More political asylum from China than any other country.

We are still a nation of immigrants. Have always been though. That is nothing new.
 
We will see how Europeans feel in a few years after the recent and ongoing huge waves of immigrants assimilate into their general population
I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. London is an INCREDIBLY diverse city, as diverse as anywhere in America that I have been and I am an SF Bay native....my point being London was amazing and wonderful, in part because of immigrants....it was truly refreshing to experience modern London....

I am guessing your point above is in reference to radicalist immigrants. I see the world struggling with that right now..I don't think there is a good solution to this problem. I do find it strange however that a few radicalists soldiers can take over a whole country of peaceful people....Strange Days we are living...

Ch
 
That is true AND how sad!!! How many times has French speaking Quebec voted for sovereignty?? ..........twice by the way!


A similar movement in our Country was settled with a civil war that cost over 500,000 lives. Today, like it or not we are a united country.

Quebec wish for separation have really nothing to see with immigrant assimilation at all. People from Quebec are Canadians same as the others (Canadians descendant from immigrants for most of them). The wish for some people in Quebec to separate is coming from many different cultural aspect, and historical aspect that would be far too complex to discuss. For your knowledge, know that they blame the referendum failure on immigrant voted to stay in Canada :lol:

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In Canada, you can watch hockey games in Punjabi. Not sure if it is assimilation or multiculturalism, but it's pretty neat when you think about it, because it's a little bit of both.
 
A similar movement in our Country was settled with a civil war that cost over 500,000 lives. Today, like it or not we are a united country.

You are right...our country shed blood in its unification....but so have many others..

However America is currently incredibly divided...especially politically. Moreso than at any point during my life. I find it very sad that there are constant VIOLENT protests against the current administration...I find it incredibly stupid of both political parties to shun one another constantly..

America has grown so rich and so full of ourselves that our sport is to complain about whichever other people are keeping them down rather than follow the tried and true standard that made us so strong.......hard work

Ch
 
Come on folks, let's tone the politics/immigration down a bit. It would be too bad to have to close it or send it to OTDE.
 
Back on topic....on a fixed income ie retirement....I would be looking for a first world country (because medical) where you can really stretch the power of your dollar. If the Eurozone were to break apart I think Italy or Spain could be a great option...but right now the Euro to dollar relationship makes Euro countries tough on a fixed USD income..Hence my plug for South Africa...you could also maybe look into places like South America (Uraguay, Paraguay, Argentina, Chile etc) as I don't think those currencies are exceptionally strong against the dollar...however...medical care might be shaky in some of those places...

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Actually the US Medicare Rules make it expensive to live retirement full time outside of the US. Medicare provides only minor coverage ($60,000?) during the first 60 consecutive days you are outside of the US. Seniors tend to make good use of Medicare and paying all the bills outside the US becomes expensive. This is assuming you do not qualify for government paid care in a first world country.
 
. I do find it strange however that a few radicalists soldiers can take over a whole country of peaceful people....Strange Days we are living...

Ch

Same is happening in the US.
ICE gone mad, building a wall, fights on planes, inability to supply clean drinking water to towns (Flint), the list goes on.
Much of the world has lost respect because of a small amount of backward people with an orange umpalumpa as its leader. ;)
 
We want to live right here in Kitimat, on BC's north coast. No desire to live anywhere else on the planet than where we grew up. There's so much more to discover.

If any move is going to be made (contingent on whether the population here stays under 13,000 or so, or whether industrial projects cause the population to grow too much for our tastes) then we'll move to the sunshine coast...Quadra or Cortes Islands come to mind. We'd have lots of interesting boating during the winter when the place is less crowded, and would travel to the central and north coasts during warmer months.
 
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Nowhere in any of my posts on this topic have I taken a position against immigration. And of course, nations including ours got to be because of immigration.

But I did emphasize that to become an immigrant ......... one that has immigrated...........relocated into another country, it is necessary to accept their language, schools, become members of their society. That is called assimilation. Websters describes assimilation in part as "to absorb groups of different cultures into the main culture body..........."

Social engineering was not associated with my studies of engineering so surely I am not an expert in societies. I do know however that it takes time, years for successful assimilation usually because of language barriers.

Yes, immigration is not only accepted here in the United States and important, my strong feelings is that immigration must be controlled, border protection is an absolute necessity. I believe open borders could soon cause our great Country to become a third world country and our government is struggling today with this topic. And our Country is not perfect as I described in my post 101. It does have problems but on the whole those problems are outweighed by all the good our Country has to offer.

My comment that initiated this heated discussion pertained to the recent 1,000,000 refugees that became immigrants after immigrating to Germany was:

"We will see how Europeans feel in a few years after the recent and ongoing huge waves of immigrants assimilate into their general population"

That remains true folks! Assimilation requires efforts on both the countries that accept immigrants and the immigrants themselves. They must learn the host country's language, they must accept the host country's culture. So it is premature to say that Germany's immigrants or other European countries such as Spain's will successfully assimilate into their general population. Only time will tell.

Words like elections have meaning and nowhere have I taken a position against immigration, controlled immigration of course. Read the words folks!
 
Actually the US Medicare Rules make it expensive to live retirement full time outside of the US. Medicare provides only minor coverage ($60,000?) during the first 60 consecutive days you are outside of the US. Seniors tend to make good use of Medicare and paying all the bills outside the US becomes expensive. This is assuming you do not qualify for government paid care in a first world country.

Yup! We spent 20 months on our last boat cruising in Australia and would have stayed longer. We loved the country, weather and people. At the time, our extended stay visa options were either a work visa or a 4 year retirement visa. A work visa, because of our ages (>45) were difficult to get and you had to work. A retirement visa, allowed us to stay with out having to periodically leave to renew. In order to get the visa, we had to show adequate finance resources, pass a medical physical and purchase health insurance. We were not eligible to participate in their government paid health care system and they wanted to make sure we would not be a future liability on their system.
 
....Chancellor Angela Merkel is one who has created chaos caused by 1,000,000+ immigrants into Germany.
....And you need to improve your spelling, consider purchasing a dictionary.

I'm quite amazed of the recent turn the discussion took which adds nothing to the debate. I am aware that a forum is not (and should not be) a soft and quiet Club. But the possibility of starting conversations with different or opposite opinions can make very interesting things to happen and to get the job done. In a social network like in any group of people, different ideas are valuable, different or opposite comments are always welcome.

We are living in a small world, then even in a forum of boaters I think it could be a pleasure and a great interest for all to debate and exchange on topics of our different countries and societies, without going that far, I mean without bringing undue pressures on the discussion. Indeed ease and quality of discussion are essential for a wider active participation. In my opinion, we could together discuss the different topics in a gentlemanly fashion and with great sportsmanship.

Then I don't yet understand how to adopting a much harder or aggressive tone could move things forward. In today's world, foreign citizens from democratic countries must stand together to meet the challenges posed by the social issues actually facing our countries.

You are fluent in English, but to use your words, "you really should consider a dictionary" and have a look on "chaos". A chaos in Germany ? Have you been there recently ? It seems that newspapers or TV News fooled you, your statement about "chaos" was wrong, unreasonable and groundless.

There is no chaos in Germany, as well nowhere in European Union. There is chaos in both Iraq and Syria, whose the first cause and responsibility do not lie with any European country... but whose European countries are paying for the human, social, and financial consequences.

I'm not an expert neither a specialist in immigration flows, but beside my work I have been appointed by the president of French Republic as an administrator of the Ministry of Social Affairs for 10 years in which the impact of workers migration and refugee movement, in France and European Union, was a large part of our concern, for the reason the financial and social consequences were at the center of the French Ministry of Social Affairs priorities also of the European institutions.

On migration / immigration, answers can vary tremendously from country to country because the same causes do not lead to the same effects. I have no knowledge on this topic about the US, Canada or Australia.

However my duties enable me to speak about Germany. I don't have a dictionary then I hope you would understand my (non native) English.

You stated that "Chancellor Angela Merkel created chaos in Germany caused by 1,000,000+ immigrants".

You really should read about European social history. Immigration in Germany is not a new topic. The country is the second most popular migration destination in the world, after the United States. In fact, some 11 million of the people (13.5% of the population) currently living in Germany were actually born elsewhere after the end of WWII.

I am aware that the 2015/16 refugee crisis has affected the economic and political debate in Germany also that it has shown how important safety is for the quality of life of Europeans. But now, the controversial refugee movement and last poor German demographic trends - the population in Germany started to decline in 2003 - make immigration as an opportunity to boost German’s potential growth.

Indeed, because of a low birthrate, the population in Germany is shrinking, raising the pivotal question of who will keep the massive German economy humming in the years ahead. As the decline accelerates, by 2030 the government predicts a hole as big as 2.3 million workers in the German labor force which would be a huge issue for the country.

Large migration flows into Germany are not a new phenomenon. Germany has gone through waves of immigration before, particularly in the 1960s and 1970s, when great numbers of Turkish guest workers helped provide the backbone of its Cold War economy. Later after that, Germany also looked beyond Europe for prospective workers, with German factories courting Indian workers and engineers, and German universities competing for Asiatic students. Germany is a country where all skin colors are welcome.

The German economy has always been dependent on immigration, both from Europe as the rest of the world. Angela Merkel said recently that "it will take time, effort and money,”. But Germany will make it because it is a strong country, the government is simplifying immigration procedures, funding free language classes.

The massive influx of refugees creates immense challenges for the German society, this, however, will depend on successful integration into the labour market. The German business community views the recent influx of refugees as an opportunity to help companies grow and ensure long-term prosperity. Moreover the unemployment rate is low in Germany, suggesting a smooth and rapid integration into the employed labour force.

We will see how Europeans feel in a few years after the recent and ongoing huge waves of immigrants assimilate into their general population

But whatever, we cannot let populations in Syria and Iraq being massacred everyday because it resists ISIS occupation. The United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of at least 400,000 that had died in the civil war of Syria. If you have any different solution to bring, it would be welcomed.

Europe is a land of tradition for a long time, a land where asylum and hospitality remain a key value. During the civil war in Spain, the south of France had be flooded with numerous Spanish refugees, France opened its doors in line with its tradition of hospitality and solidarity, and the French did not so-call this a "chaos" even if it was a difficult human and social challenge.

The recent refugees flow could be seen as an occasion to strengthen our bonds, welcome those just arriving (no other choice anyway), and focus on accomplishing our mission of integration, it is not the first time this has happened in Europe. Economically and socially, in the medium term, refugees could lift potential growth to the tune of 0.2ppt for the European Union.
 
But whatever, we cannot let populations in Syria and Iraq being massacred everyday because it resists ISIS occupation. The United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of at least 400,000 that had died in the civil war of Syria. If you have any different solution to bring, it would be welcomed.


The truth is that we can let those populations be massacred. The sad part is that there are many in the US that think that is just fine.
 
OMC, thank you for explaining what is really going on. Many here in the US are subjected to so much doom and gloom propaganda (Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones,etc) that spin all immigration as a "disaster". And as you pointed out, that's just not the case.

It appears a large section of the US population has been overtaken by an irrational fear of foreigners, immigrants, and to a large extent any skin color other than white.

That being said , the US is still a good place to live IMO, depending on how much you make or how much wealth you own. It's REALLY REALLY good if you are the top 1/2% in wealth. It's VERY good if you are in the 1-2%. It's still good if you are a high wage earner (100k plus) and can afford health care. It's not good if you are earning $50-75k (middle class?)-- health care is too expensive if you are younger than 65, college is crazy expensive, etc. If you are below middle class in the US, you are in trouble, with more proposed cuts to programs coming.
 
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I just came across this long thread and would refer back several pages to where life expectancy statistics are touted as one parameter for choosing a country in which to live. Be warned that these statistics are very misleading and are a poor indicator of quality of healthcare available. The major red herrings are the US deaths resulting from auto accidents and gunshot wounds, with quality of healthcare having very little to do with that, together with infant mortality statistics. There is wide variation in how countries report their own statistics, and what a particular country says constitutes a "live birth". The truth is that healthcare in the US envied throughout most of the world, life expectancy stats be damned.

A very complex subject, and for a little reading:
https://www.pacificresearch.org/article/those-misleading-world-health-rankings/
 
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