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Hey, isn't that Dhays boat's pic on his website? The one with it sitting high and dry by the PO ?



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Yup, sure is. The wifi at the marina I am at is way too slow to follow the link on the photo however.
 
What bothers me most is his paid ad with Google so if you type "USCG Documentation", he comes up first and the USCG is down the page.
 
What bothers me most is his paid ad with Google so if you type "USCG Documentation", he comes up first and the USCG is down the page.

You could try reporting it to Google.

But the trouble is, no mater how sleezy this guy is, it's probably legal. His web site says right at the bottom that he is not the USCG and that he is offering a renewal service. Did his solicitation letters say that? If not, mail fraud might be the most effective way to shut him down.
 
When I operated my business we would often receive similar materials looking authentic and providing a mandated service such as employment posters and meeting minutes records, etc... all quoting the rules or regulations and being delivered in an apparent gov't type envelope.
There are naer do wells, scam artists, and hooligan types everywhere. In the day they used tar a feathers as the proper means of eliminating these type from our areas along with a rail.
 
It's not a fake. It's a service for the clueless.
 
It's not a fake. It's a service for the clueless.

No, it's an attempt to make it look like the USCG site, to use a domain that will be confusing, and to trick unsuspecting people into using it. They make claims like the fastest service. I can't see that they provide any service at all. They do basically what you can do from the USCG site.

We use a documentation service for initial documentation and do pay extra, but we get some real services from them. We also use a passport service rather than the post office or passport office, pay extra, and get some real services.

Also to note: They are not a member of the American Vessel Documentation Association
 
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I'm far more disturbed about him as a surveyor and all those other things he claims to be. On the documentation site, he's just taking $50 from unsuspecting boat owners. Imagine the damage he can do in his other roles. I'm just hoping perhaps a few people become aware of the type person they're dealing with and his representations of his knowledge and experience. I noticed on surveys he bragged about the huge price reduction he got someone with his survey. Here's the quote: "Found this amazing deal for our client…38 Med pristine condition appraised at 65K we made the deal happen for 40K." What?

I will say some things. He knows how to select domain names, how to advertise and promote on google, how to build a website representing himself as having a huge amount of ability and how to make it look like he's really a large operation rather than a one many show. Basically, he knows how to take advantage of the internet and any naive potential customers who don't check things out. An example is "we perform surveys nationwide, just a few of our many locations" and he lists 14 California locations while meanwhile his linked in shows him in school in Vallejo. Sounds though like a huge team of surveyors. He knows how to collect information, rewrite it slightly, and post it on his site exhibiting his alleged skills and expertise. A lot of good information on his survey site and links to interesting articles.

In fact, if I was teaching how to avoid mistakes on the internet, his sites are a couple I'd use as primary teaching tools to warn people. Even the name "US" in his company names makes them sound so large. Think of it. So much more impressive than Dana Point Surveyors or even California. US Marine Surveyors is just as misleading as USCG Documentation. Now, if I wanted to set up a scam of some sort, I'd also use his sites as case studies in how to do so.

He's definitely fine tuned some skills. Just not the type he wants it to appear.
 
Greetings,
Mr. BB. "Imagine the damage he can do..." You mean like suggesting/inferring one is a naval architect and posting as such?
 
RT

Or a person stating he is a captain and licensed and after an
owner has given his boat to said captain with enough cash for a 3000 mile trip and after the boat doesn't arrive finding the captain wasn't a captain and the boat can't be located. No me but a friend.
 
Greetings,
Mr. BB. "Imagine the damage he can do..." You mean like suggesting/inferring one is a naval architect and posting as such?

Suggesting he was a member of USSA, which they say he isn't. Wonder how much time he spent at any of the schools he says he went to. To try to look official he puts the logos of ABYC, Homeland Security, TWIC, Navtech and the USCG on his welcome page.
 
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Not sure how the owner found the fraud but I know he hired a PI. I don't know how it turned out as it was many years ago.
 
Some of us get our jollies of being a white knight slaying evil.

I agree there is some honor in going after dishonesty and fraud. I like to think we're a little more civilized than to all tolerate and condone those among us who wish to take advantage of others.

Each of us must decide where and when we draw the line. While I just tossed the letter in the recycle bin and pulled up the (real) USCG site to renew, I applaud sailerman's decision to fight this battle.
 
I admire those who are willing to fight the "good fight". I wish there were more of them.
 
Coincidentally, I ran across a fellow North Pacific owner this weekend (Bob) and somehow John Soria came up. Likely because Bob had seen one of the photos of my boat on the rock.

Bob is very active in his yacht club and has actually spoken to Soria on the phone. He has filed complaints with the USCG, and the AGs of a couple states. Bob said that the USCG is in the process of taking action against him for his practice of trying to portray himself as being officially affiliated with them. Bob is actively trying to spread the word among the yacht club to warn their members.

He said at one point he had him on the phone and Soria was in full rant. He put the phone down and let him continue to rant for a while. Finally he came back on said, I'm not listening but am just keeping the line open to see how much of your time you will waste. Soria continued to rant some more.
 
Coincidentally, I ran across a fellow North Pacific owner this weekend (Bob) and somehow John Soria came up. Likely because Bob had seen one of the photos of my boat on the rock.

Bob is very active in his yacht club and has actually spoken to Soria on the phone. He has filed complaints with the USCG, and the AGs of a couple states. Bob said that the USCG is in the process of taking action against him for his practice of trying to portray himself as being officially affiliated with them. Bob is actively trying to spread the word among the yacht club to warn their members.

He said at one point he had him on the phone and Soria was in full rant. He put the phone down and let him continue to rant for a while. Finally he came back on said, I'm not listening but am just keeping the line open to see how much of your time you will waste. Soria continued to rant some more.

Very interesting. Soria will eventually burn all his bridges, but the problem is people like that just move on to something or somewhere else and pull the same thing again.

Like his business name and website, typically a state attorney general gets involved so they make minor changes to appease. Or, they get stopped and just restart under a different name but another misleading one.
 
I am often amazed at why an obviously smart guy uses his talents that border on illegal activity, certainly if he channeled his skills in a perfectly legal manner he would be successful. My dad use to tell be the one thing we can never run away from is our reputation and to always do what is right to protect what you have built.
 
Sailerman, I think it is great that you are pursuing this. Back in my more impulsive youth I almost flew across country to confront someone who was attempting to scam folks. I thought better of it when I realized my wife my not take it kindly if I was jailed for assault in another state.

Anyway, if you feel like getting in touch with the Bob I mentioned in my post pm me. I might be able to connect the two of you.
 
Good on ya sailerman. I creeped this guy a bit and it does seem that his credentials are a tad suspicious. I'm sure that SAMS may be interested in his side companies, as he is an Affiliate Member. In fact, the SAMS Pacific meeting was just last weekend. Maybe there was some timely discussion...
 
I am often amazed at why an obviously smart guy uses his talents that border on illegal activity, certainly if he channeled his skills in a perfectly legal manner he would be successful. My dad use to tell be the one thing we can never run away from is our reputation and to always do what is right to protect what you have built.

One of millions looking for get rich schemes. The fact is, without better credentials and education than he has, working on the edge, having no regard for right and wrong, for ethics or legality, is a quicker way to make money.

I would love to see him convicted of something, but that's not likely to happen, so the second best is cease and desist.

Now, one thing for sailerman in his pursuit. Check out the lawyer on the supposed letter from his attorney. You could be lucky and find there is no such person and in many jurisdictions that makes him guilty of a crime by impersonating a lawyer.
 
His lawyer

BandB,

I too wanted to verify the lawyer claim. I called his law office and ask to verify that Soria is actually a client. They would not confirm so I left a voice mail with the lawyer. He called me back and said yes he does represent Soria. He did confirm that I sent him a reply to his lawsuit threat.
However it is obvious to me that he did not read my email, look at the attachment where I documented the same negative reviews unchanged or been paid to pursue the threat.

By the way this attorney is listed as the legal council in an arbitration set for March 9 between Soria and his former business partner, Ed Reiner.
 
rats jumping ship or business is booming

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BandB,

I too wanted to verify the lawyer claim. I called his law office and ask to verify that Soria is actually a client. They would not confirm so I left a voice mail with the lawyer. He called me back and said yes he does represent Soria. He did confirm that I sent him a reply to his lawsuit threat.
However it is obvious to me that he did not read my email, look at the attachment where I documented the same negative reviews unchanged or been paid to pursue the threat.

By the way this attorney is listed as the legal council in an arbitration set for March 9 between Soria and his former business partner, Ed Reiner.

Which brings up the prior entity of vesseldocumentation.us and apparently a prior website developing company and the current, Websites Depot which has a site designed just like Soria's.
 
why document a boat? just register it.

OK, consider these reasons.......registration number has to be painted or otherwise secured to the bow. Another is cost. Documentation was free up until a couple of years ago and now costs $26 or so. Massachusetts registration for my 40' was $100/two years. I may be greater now. Also the CG provides better traceability of ownership for another. Yes, states have titles....many do not.
 
Many mortgage companies want federally documented vessels because first ships preferred mortgage trumps most other liens. Seamans wages and salvage are the exceptions. Obviously most of our boatsa aren't going to have seamans wages in the equations. Like Real estate, ownership and encumberances are easily traced.
 
It is worth it just to not have those ugly registration numbers on the bow. But yes, some lenders will only lend on documented vessels.
 
USCG Documented Vessels Beware

If you have a USCG Documented Vessel be aware the annual renewal cost is $26. If you are being asked to pay more than $26 you are not on the Coast Guard Documentation website. Prices of $50 to $100 are being charged by so called "Independent Service Providers" to submit your renewal. They will approach you via a letter by from the US Mail at the time of your annual renewal to sell you their service. Beware and don't overpay!

Here is the REAL pay.gov site to renew:
https://www.pay.gov/public/form/start/1175233

It's easy and quick!

Thanks
Norm Miller
Quiet Company
Great Harbour GH47
AGLCA# 8109 MTOA# 4686
 
Yup. Thanks for the reminder Norm. I just got my official USCG renewal in the mail the other day, about two weeks after a renewal offer from one of the sleazy outfits.
 
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