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Any recommendations for insurers for a 1976 trawler worth less than $100k headed to St Thomas, USVI? Ideally would allow for a Cuba stop so may need to be Lloyds? Tried Pantaenius but was refused immediately due to "underwriting guidelines". Thanks!
 
Any recommendations for insurers for a 1976 trawler worth less than $100k headed to St Thomas, USVI? Ideally would allow for a Cuba stop so may need to be Lloyds? Tried Pantaenius but was refused immediately due to "underwriting guidelines". Thanks!

Did Pantaenius say why? Age?

Lloyds is an option. Geico, not through Boat US but directly. Ace might be. Who is it currently insured with? Won't they still insure? Is USVI outside your cruising territory or are you indicating you're moving there?
 
You need to talk to a marine insurance broker. They will know who will insure what. Either Jack Martin in Annapolis or IMIS Corp in Grasonville, Md.

David
 
Got mine through progressive.

I'd advise you to review your policy detail very carefully. I advise anyone to do that, but seeing who yours is through advise you even more. Yours may be great but I've seen some that had serious issues.
 
I'd advise you to review your policy detail very carefully. I advise anyone to do that, but seeing who yours is through advise you even more. Yours may be great but I've seen some that had serious issues.

I had my attorney do everything before and during closing. I always try to do everything right. I don't like surprises! :eek:
 
I had my attorney do everything before and during closing. I always try to do everything right. I don't like surprises! :eek:

With due respect Donna... How do you know what qualifications your attorney has as it relates to marine insurance?
 
Any recommendations for insurers for a 1976 trawler worth less than $100k headed to St Thomas, USVI? Ideally would allow for a Cuba stop so may need to be Lloyds? Tried Pantaenius but was refused immediately due to "underwriting guidelines". Thanks!

Are you permanent in the USVI or just taking a trip? A trip should not be a problem, but there is the experience factor and vessel material condition that us underwriters take into consideration.

Cuba for most insuring companies is a no-go at this time, not to mention that you have to fall under one of the 12 US State Department approved reasons to visit Cuba.
 
Got mine through progressive.

I'd advise you to review your policy detail very carefully. I advise anyone to do that, but seeing who yours is through advise you even more. Yours may be great but I've seen some that had serious issues.

I had my attorney do everything before and during closing. I always try to do everything right. I don't like surprises! :eek:

With due respect Donna... How do you know what qualifications your attorney has as it relates to marine insurance?

The above bolded quotes speak volumes and IMO must be heeded.

Unless the attorney is a maritime attorney specializing in admiralty law, I'd be be leery of his advice. With regards to reading and reviewing the policy- SPOT ON!
 
The above bolded quotes speak volumes and IMO must be heeded.

Unless the attorney is a maritime attorney specializing in admiralty law, I'd be be leery of his advice. With regards to reading and reviewing the policy- SPOT ON!

Donna, I'd reiterate what he said. You're a very smart woman, so I'd suggest you read the entire policy and if there are any clauses you don't understand then ask the insurer exactly what they mean. Here are some of the things I'd look out for:

Value-Is it Agreed Fixed Value or is it market value at the time. This is especially important with your improvements to the boat. It's not depreciating at this point.

Will they replace old parts with new or do they depreciate partial losses.

Do they provide indemnity to third parties and environmental.

Is it All Risks.

Does it exclude implied warranties of seaworthiness.

Does it cover even latent defects.

Salvage coverage. Does it provide salvage coverage on top of the value of the boat. For instance, if boat is totaled does it still pay for the salvage or does it deduct the salvage cost from the payout to you.

Now, it may well be your attorney is expert in all this and did a great job, but it's still, in my opinion, a good idea to read it all and know it yourself. If you are in some type of accident, you'll be the one who needs to react and know what your coverage is right then. Timing can be critical.
 
The last half dozen posts are why you need to talk to a MARINE insurance broker. Al Golden at IMIS Corp. knows this stuff as well as any marine attorney.

David
 
Did Pantaenius say why? Age?

Lloyds is an option. Geico, not through Boat US but directly. Ace might be. Who is it currently insured with? Won't they still insure? Is USVI outside your cruising territory or are you indicating you're moving there?

I was told several years ago that Pantaenius USA was only insuring US boats for the Caribbean with hull values in excess of $500,000.

While there are several companies to choose from, a frequently mentioned insurer of trawlers in the Caribbean is Markel. Al Golden and his IMIS operation works frequently in this area. The Trawler Forum's Paul Hana is another one to check with.

Don't think a US company is currently able to cover you for a trip to Cuba. This may have recently changed but check this. Also with the change in administration coming in January it is difficult to predict what will be the position of the US government with regard to travel to Cuba.
 
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Reach out to Pau Hana here on the forum. He is a broker and does know his way around marine insurance.
 
Did Pantaenius say why? Age?

Lloyds is an option. Geico, not through Boat US but directly. Ace might be. Who is it currently insured with? Won't they still insure? Is USVI outside your cruising territory or are you indicating you're moving there?

All, thanks for the tips. I've got some phone calls to make!

BandB, thanks for chiming in. I always appreciate your insurance insights. Pantaenius did not say why. I suspect it was low value.

We are currently insured with Progressive, which is an option with additional riders if we avoid Cuba (and, of course, Haiti and DR). However, I'm having trouble getting a response from the broker to even add the riders. I can't imagine an inexpensive 40 year old trawler is very profitable for him.

The USVI is currently outside our cruising territory. We are moving there in a sense. My wife is taking a travel assignment at the hospital in St Thomas for three months, but then we'll head back north before hurricane season.

How do the insurance brokers make their money? A percentage of the policy value? Is this why it's tough to get responses on a low value boat?

Thanks
 
Another issue, and this will depend on your state of residence. If you have umbrella insurance make sure it will cover you and the boat while you are boating anywhere in the Caribbean. By cover I mean in excess of the boat's basic insurance policy. Also make sure it covers you if you are sued in a foreign court, not just if the accident occurs in a foreign location and you are sued back in the United States.

Although I have searched I have found only two companies out of a dozen I have called in Indiana which will issue an umbrella policy covering Bay Pelican in the Caribbean.
 
An international insurer is more likely to be able to help you with Cuba than a US insurer. The only ones I know covering Cuba are Pantaenius and Lloyd's, but others may. Unfortunately, they both tend toward higher level boats.
 
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An international insurer is more likely to be able to help you with Cuba than a US insurer. The only ones I know covering Cuba are Pantaenius and Lloyd's, but others may. Unfortunately, they both tend toward higher dollar coverages.

Pantaenius and Pantaenius USA are two different insurers. Pantaenius is a European operation and will not insure a US boat. Pantaenius USA is subject to the US prohibitions for financial transactions (including insurance) for Cuba.
 
Pantaenius and Pantaenius USA are two different insurers. Pantaenius is a European operation and will not insure a US boat. Pantaenius USA is subject to the US prohibitions for financial transactions (including insurance) for Cuba.

Pantaenius USA does insure for Cuba. Those restrictions were removed.

https://www.tradeonlytoday.com/2016/06/u-s-approves-boat-insurance-for-cuba-travel/

and

New: Cuba Coverage

Insurance through Pantaenius America, Ltd., which is the US licensed company, licensed in all 50 states.
 
Another comment. The cost for insurance for Bay Pelican was less if stored for the hurricane season in Puerto Rico than if stored in the US or British Virgins.
 
Just an add here as my coverage with State Farm was just extended at no extra charge.


specific wording is FE-5834 Navigational Extention Endorsement "Extended to provide coverage for trips to and from the Islands of the Bahamas within an area bounded by the area north of 23 degrees north latitude, south of 27 degrees north latitude and west of 75 degrees west longitude."

That will more than meet my needs.
 
Another comment. The cost for insurance for Bay Pelican was less if stored for the hurricane season in Puerto Rico than if stored in the US or British Virgins.

Yep , my brother in law is moving his summer base from Grenada to PR for that reason.
 

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