markpierce wrote:
This makes my life easier.* My Coot is coming with a 33-pound Bruce-like anchor which is undersized, but should be fine for*my initial boating activities*for sheltered, lunch-hook, mud-bottomed conditions.* But when I upgrade and with Rocan*no longer*"in the picture," I'm now considering only two choices: heavier Manson's Supreme or Ray (Bruce-like).* What will probably "swing" the decision (pun intended)*is the ability for the anchor to remain buried or reset itself*when there are wind/current changes.
*Mark, my own experience with different Bruce/Claw/Ray type anchors is that they work really well if heavy, as in over 100#.* In fact, they are probably hard to beat in that class since the weight gets them dug in and once dug in, they present perhaps the biggest surface area in resistance to drag. In the smaller sizes, the new generation anchors can't be beat for quick setting in most conditions.* You mentioned the Manson, but I wouldn't rule out the Fortress, which always tests well, and if the Sarca Excel is ever available in North America, that would be my choice.
I have been criticized in private messages for raising the question of the reliability of Rocna in their commercial claims.* While the question of metallurgy is still being tested to see if former employees, current customers and former vendor claims are accurate regarding sub-standard materials, Rocna's dishonesty in other claims is pretty hard to question.* I came across a posting on another site that sums up the situation much better than I could, and I'll offer it as an excellent summary comment on the issue until other credible test results are in and available.* This is from a guy name Maine Sail, who has posted some very favorable videos on the Rocna that you can see on Youtube.* In fact, he likes the design very much.* However, he is also aware of the issues I have raised, and responded in this way to a straightforward question on whether he would use a Rocna or a Manson on his own boat. The 'Steve' referred to is Steve Bambury, CEO of Rocna.
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Originally Posted by
nikonf3blue 
Maybe Mainesail could "put this all to bed" and tell us what anchor is he going to hang off his bow this Spring. Cheers K.Brown
Answer:
<blockquote class="postcontent restore">It will be my Rocna. The big "but" is, will I continue to recommend this product to others? Perhaps I will in the future, IF Rocna decides to play HONESTLY I may. For now their misleading "Sail Data" and the claims they are stronger than a Manson Supreme I find unsupported and misleading. Steve has made changes to the RINA claims, which is excellent, but it should have never been intentionally worded like that in the first place and was only changed when folks picked up on the dishonesty.
Both of these points still go unsupported and the sail data lacks a clear and concise methodology of their interpretation of the data and what data points were "selected" to arrive at those numbers. Steve's explanation DOES NOT work any way I have sliced and diced the data. The
"Our anchor is stronger, and yours is abysmal" rhetoric has now finally been challenged by Manson. To this challenge there has been no real response from Rocna head quarters, which leads me to only two scenarios;
1) The claims that the Rocna is stronger were flat out bogus?
2) They already know the answer and will not get on camera only to see their product beat by the Manson Supreme adn eat crow?
I have been through the Sail Data line item by line item and can't for the life of me figure out how or where they came up with that data that would remain a fair and objective analysis of the data. I would LOVE a DETAILED line by line explanation of which data points were used to make that graph.
It is still a great anchor, you won't hear me say otherwise, but I can't stand behind a manufacturer who intentionally tries to mislead customers, WHEN THERE IS NO NEED TO DO SO, no matter how good the product especially when there is another product so similar, for less money, and has a Lloyds "certifications" of SHHP, not that it really matters for beans but if you are going to claim it, when you don't have it, then I guess it's fair game.
Show me it is stronger, and be HONEST with your Sail Data Set, and lose the Pit Bull/Playground Bully attitude and defamatory behavior towards your competitors and I may continue recommending a Rocna. I don't personally see ANY of those items happening so I will continue to recommend the MS for now...
Sadly a good anchor has been the innocent road kill of Craig's antics.
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