Firearms on the Great Loop Route laws and regs?

Lost Horizons said:

You can bring a restricted handgun to Canada to participate in a competition.

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I was referring to a boater doing the loop, which means that you can't claim to be entered in a competition, nor can you claim to be on a hunting trip.

Rossland said:

I was referring to a boater doing the loop, which means that you can't claim to be entered in a competition, nor can you claim to be on a hunting trip.

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All you need is a letter inviting you to participate in a match. If you shoot IPSC, for example, you can easily get one. There is always a match somewhere.

Lost Horizons said:

All you need is a letter inviting you to participate in a match. If you shoot IPSC, for example, you can easily get one. There is always a match somewhere.

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Seriously? You can't expect an immigration agent or a NYC cop to fall for that simplistic excuse. A handgun in a holster on your hip ain't gonna fly!
The thread is about concealed carry on a 4000 mile interstate and intra country trip.

Regarding Panacea: One cannot just say: "I carry, and I will wherever I go on a loop trip." It will be difficult to continue on the loop from in the slammer. Not saying you will get caught. BUT if you do..... it's all on you for not abiding by the local laws.

The real issue is standardized federal qualifications that congeal all the states differing, confusing, downright nasty rules for concealed carry. Not that you can't have a gun (so far) but concealed carry should be the same wherever you are or live or visit. So far that ain't so. IIRC only 28 states have reciprocity. The rest don't.

Heres a link to check where you are legal to carry depending upon your state of residence.

cappy208 said:

Seriously? You can't expect an immigration agent or a NYC cop to fall for that

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It will work in Canada. In NYS you will get arrested for a handgun possession without a permit. In NYC you are lucky if you get arrested.

Andy G said:

The definition of 'home' is an interesting concept.

Does the court hold the requirement of equity in the the nebulous 'property' is a prerequisite for triggering a right under the 2nd amendment or can a mere casual rental suffice to be a home?

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Second Amendment is not about the home defense. It is a recognition that citizens have a right to protect thier way of life and may use arms to do it.

Most of the States have gun laws that are unconstitutional in that respect. Only three states currently are an exception: Vermont, Arizona, and Alaska. A few years ago Vermont was the only one.

Even though I agree with you conceptually, right now today the 2nd amendment only guarantees an individual the right to own a firearm for defense of his home .

Eventually the courts will test the bear Prong of the Second Amendment. But right now today that we have what we have .

If you read the heller decision, you will find that in the majority opinion they start to examine the word bear and what it means.
In my opinion they will use the literal definition along with the historic concept of Bearing arms. Eventually, this will lead to the ability to possess a firearm outside the home.

Firearms rights advocates won a huge one with the heller decision, in that it forever affirmed the right of an individual to keep and bear arms. That was always a contested issue. As time goes on the court will further recognize and affirm the keep prong and the bear prong of this very important right.

I am not saying the courts will ever go as far as mandating universal conceal carry, I do not believe that will ever happen. I believe that the states have rights to limit things like concealed carry. But I also believe that the bear prong of the Second Amendment will allow you to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, or your boat for that matter.

I also believe the bans on semi automatic rifles will be overturned using the simple logic that they are in wide use as defensive weapons. I believe that magazine limitations will be upheld, and I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

Again, I believe that the states have certain rights, I believe in that concept as a concept. I choose to live in Alaska, we have the right to privacy something no other state has. We have universal conceal carry something I believe in and practice. I firmly believe that if you do not like the political climate in the state that you live and you have a choice. You can either elected officials and change the political climate, or you can move to a state that better suits your interests and beliefs.

Love your optimism, K, but elections have consequences and Heller far from "forever affirms" anything. Free Americans own it to their children and grandchildren to make sure America remains free. A shift in the almighty unelected lawyers appointed to life terms could easily reverse Heller and propel these united states down a path to where so many past experiments in socialism have ended. I trust no one wants that.

The takeaway of this conversation is to pack a shotgun on the boat, right?

ksanders said:

Even though I agree with you conceptually, right now today the 2nd amendment only guarantees an individual the right to own a firearm for defense of his home .

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Me and many others do not equate 'home defense' with the "security of a free state." You don't need a Constitution to let you defend your life, it is a fundamental right.

ksanders said:

I firmly believe that if you do not like the political climate in the state that you live and you have a choice.

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I do agree with that. I moved to the US from a totalitarian country and I would never want to live in a state like NY or NJ or CA, but I am afraid that one day I may run out of this planet.

Guys, can I remind y'all the OP has posted that he has received the advice he needed, so can we drop the gun discussion now thanks..? We would hate to have to close or move the thread to Off Topic, as there is some helpful information in the thread, but these gun discussions tend to grow legs...big hairy legs...get my drift..? Cheers and thanks,

Peter B said:

Guys, can I remind y'all the OP has posted that he has received the advice he needed, so can we drop the gun discussion now thanks..? We would hate to have to close or move the thread to Off Topic, as there is some helpful information in the thread, but these gun discussions tend to grow legs...big hairy legs...get my drift..? Cheers and thanks,

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Wifey B: And, in spite of what some believe, bit hairy legs aren't attractive, nor is big hairy anything.

BandB said:

Wifey B: And, in spite of what some believe, bit hairy legs aren't attractive, nor is big hairy anything.

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Well, speaking of big hairy things, I understand that Teddy Roosevelt thought the Grizzly should have been the American national symbol instead of the Bald Eagle.( you see Pete, the last two posts are a clever way of shutting down the thread by a complete hijack into irrelevancy.)

Andy G said:

Well, speaking of big hairy things, I understand that Teddy Roosevelt thought the Grizzly should have been the American national symbol instead of the Bald Eagle...

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This diversion is much more interesting. I think/hope both are protected by law from the thread subject. Bald eagles just look bald. Adults have white head feathers, juveniles are one color all over, for camouflage while learning survival in the wild.

BruceK said:

This diversion is much more interesting. I think/hope both are protected by law from the thread subject. Bald eagles just look bald. Adults have white head feathers, juveniles are one color all over, for camouflage while learning survival in the wild.

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Wifey B: I knew nothing, nada, zip, zero about Eagles of any hair style before our trip to Alaska.

Wifey B: Speaking of the Bald Eagle, (oh watch this segue), why do states have state flowers and birds and trees and everything else imaginable. I understand why sports teams have their team beer and team car and team soft drink, and team airline. They get paid for it. But the birds and flowers don't pay and the typical list goes on and on and on.

NC has 41 state symbols. Not enough to have a state flower or tree, have to have a state carnivorous plant, Christmas tree, tree, flower and wildflower. And why the heck a state frog, salamander, insect, reptile, mammal, marsupial, shell, mineral, rock and stone.

FL only has 34 symbols, but then they're not as old a state.

You won't need a gun on a boat if you just have the right anchor and enough chain.

One gun or two, the age old TF debate.

Ted

"why do states have state flowers and birds and trees"

In NJ the state bird is the Mosquito !

FF said:

"why do states have state flowers and birds and trees"

In NJ the state bird is the Mosquito !

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Wifey B: Eastern Goldfinch. And the state insect is the European Honey Bee.

Better picture next post. Sorry.

Peter Swanson posted that there is a gun law presentation at the Kent Island (Md) Trawlerfest this fall by maritime attorneys (Lochner Law Firm, P.C. Annapolis. on firearms rule, regulations/laws around the great loop. I presented in Rivera Beach this winter so had an opportunity listened to some of their presentation. It was very, very good and thorough as it could be considering the constant state of flux in firearms rules/regulations/laws about the county. They had a matrix handout that was a "snapshot" compilation of the laws and requirements to comply by the different type of firearms (pistol, rifle, shotgun), ammunition, and possesssion (carry, possess, transport, concealed). This matrix also had what was required to comply with permitting. This was strictly factual based without any judgement as to pro or con. It was an real eye opener especially as two states changed theirs while he was presenting! If this is a burning issue for you and you wish to avoid potential legal complication I would highly recommend attending or getting a consult from them @ WWW.boatinglaw.com

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Good referral. Add a couple of caveats to what the lawyer says is legal and not. Their statement has a life of only one day. Now for practical purposes they know pending legislation and would note it.

Also, some cities have rules so it's not all state laws to consider.

Last, you can still have trouble even if the law is on your side. There are people in law enforcement who don't know the intricacies. Just because the law is on your side and a lawyer can get you out of the jam or even someone with more knowledge in local law enforcement can doesn't mean you haven't had your trip delayed and/or have to spend money on a lawyer.

HeadedToTexas said:

Amen, FF. The Founders feared judicial activism.

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On of the main reasons for the 2nd.

In Mommie-fornia you can buy Mini-14's all day, they shoot the same round as the evil black so called assault rifle.

In SS for boat owners!And a folding stock is also available.

For a few bucks you can purchase plans for a little part that is EZ to create that can be left in the silverware draw.

A few min and the Mini 14 can play Rat a Tat Tat, instead of just bang bang.

Legal to own , but not to have installed, although with out a test firing who would know?

hmason said:

Profiling is alive and well. I'm a 74 year old Caucasian with silver hair. My wife is Caucasian, of a certain age and variable hair color. We live on an 8 - 10 kt boat and house a Toy Poodle and a Chihuahua. We fly an American flag off the stern and a yacht club burgee off the bow. We have been boarded by the CG 3 times in the last 18 months. Now that's profiling.

I must say that they have always been courteous, asked if I had any weapons aboard and I told them yes, a 12 ga shotgun. They were more concerned with the Chihuahua than anything else. In one instance it turned out that the boarding officer went to high school with my daughter. Even so I hate being profiled.

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Do you think it's the French Poodle or the Mexican Chihuahua that is the cause of all the boardings?

Bald eagles aren't bald (bare headed). They have white feathers on their heads. Vultures are usually bald.

And... Dauphin Island, AL is now proclaimed The Sunset Capital of Alabama. It works for tourist advertising and yet another friendly thread diversion as well. ?

One gun, one diesel, and a bow thruster! and a tiny anchor :-(

kelbylinn said:

And... Dauphin Island, AL is now proclaimed The Sunset Capital of Alabama. It works for tourist advertising and yet another friendly thread diversion as well. ?

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Wifey B: Don't you just love some of these self proclaimed titles? We're the Sunshine state so coupled with Dauphin Island we could start putting a calendar together. Oh, and NC was the moonshine state (ok I made it up but that is where it was run a bunch), we need a star state. Let's see what else. Dark. I think we should pick a state where the people are always in the dark.

Arkansas use to be the Land of Opportunity, now they're the Natural state. Does that mean they're a nudist state now? Clothing optional state. Cool.

Corniest award goes to "If you're looking for a merry land, go to Maryland!".

Oregon is "We Love Dreamers; Things Look Different Here." I double checked to see if that was put in after they legalized weed but it wasn't.

I like VA and W VA with "Virginia is for Lovers" and W VA is "Wild and Wonderful." My kind of places.

Capt.Bill11 said:

Do you think it's the French Poodle or the Mexican Chihuahua that is the cause of all the boardings?

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I met 2 people from the Mexican town Chihuahua at Istanbul airport during an El Al cancelled flight delay. Who knew the breed is eponymously named after a town? Other dogs are named after locations too, eg the Rottweiler.

cappy208 said:

Seriously? You can't expect an immigration agent or a NYC cop to fall for that simplistic excuse. A handgun in a holster on your hip ain't gonna fly!
The thread is about concealed carry on a 4000 mile interstate and intra country trip.

Regarding Panacea: One cannot just say: "I carry, and I will wherever I go on a loop trip." It will be difficult to continue on the loop from in the slammer. Not saying you will get caught. BUT if you do..... it's all on you for not abiding by the local laws.

The real issue is standardized federal qualifications that congeal all the states differing, confusing, downright nasty rules for concealed carry. Not that you can't have a gun (so far) but concealed carry should be the same wherever you are or live or visit. So far that ain't so. IIRC only 28 states have reciprocity. The rest don't.

Heres a link to check where you are legal to carry depending upon your state of residence.

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Never said I would "carry" were ever I go was inquiring about laws and regs for fire arms on boats always abide by local laws.
Hope this clears it up for you.
Thinks for the link