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Hi everybody
As I explain in my presentation , I search a boat has to buy in the USA , I must bring it back by the sea until New Caledonia.I draw and calculate my return journey and I have a crossing that I cannot avoid 2500 miles.The boat is equipped with enough tanks of fuel to be quiet but the question that I ask myself , is what the engines are able to operate throughout the crossing without stop and if I well Account , the crossing will Duration 13/15 days.....this are the Cummins engine 12V of 1973 completely revised
thank you for your opinion
Stéphane
 
You will need to stop them periodically to check oil and maybe do an oil change. If it were me, I would plan on at least a 500 mile coastal cruise in the USA before heading across an ocean with an unknown boat. Too many unknowns to take that kind of risk. Hope the fuel tanks are clean.

I wouldn't cross an ocean with 43 year old engines to start with.

Ted
 
Some larger engines the oil can be checked with engine running. Try it and see if you can get a reading on the stick. And yes, you want to give the boat a thorough shake down cruise and complete maintenance prior to attempting a crossing.

Cummins 1710??
 
If you're going to do that, I'd take about a month to fully go through everything...
And I mean everything...
And put some miles on it before trying to make a crossing. As stated, you'll have to shut down and check your fluids, that's pretty standard.
 
An industrial/commercial engine should be able to run modest load for 14day without needing an oil change. That's like 330hrs, some are spec'd at 250, some at 500hr. Depends on what sump is used. You will need to check the oil and add some though.
 
Id start with a oil analysis and engine survey and after the results consider your options . Did someone say a 43 year old engine and 2500miles in one hit :eek:
 
Man to talk to is Wxx3(Richard). Send him a PM, or maybe he`ll chime in, he crossed the Atlantic,solo. As I understand it, never turn the engine off if possible, and twin switchable fuel filters would be a must.
 
You say "engines". Are there 2 engines, on 1?

As Ski said, I wouldn't worry at all about changing the oil. But if you have 2 engines you can stop one at a time to check on things.

Or install Murphy gauges and then you could check fluid levels while they are running. In fact Murphy has a system that will add oil as needed if you want.

Fluid analysis is pretty much a waste of time and money without a history to go with it IMO.
 
Capt.Bill11 said:
You say "engines". Are there 2 engines, on 1?

As Ski said, I wouldn't worry at all about changing the oil. But if you have 2 engines you can stop one at a time to check on things.

Or install Murphy gauges and then you could check fluid levels while they are running. In fact Murphy has a system that will add oil as needed if you want.

Fluid analysis is pretty much a waste of time and money without a history to go with it IMO.
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If a oil analysis on the engine and gearbox shows up metal and bearing fragments where is the waste of time ???. Its a sure way to see if the motor is rooted I wouldn't go around and up the river 10 k if it had a bad feed back from the analysis let alone 2500 mile trip .
 
gaston said:
If a oil analysis on the engine and gearbox shows up metal and bearing fragments where is the waste of time ???. Its a sure way to see if the motor is rooted I wouldn't go around and up the river 10 k if it had a bad feed back from the analysis let alone 2500 mile trip .
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I'm with Cptn Bill on this one but what the hell, for $20 per engine go for it.
Oil Analysis, Worth it ?
 
Ok so an oil report shows positive in just some of theses results would you take the risk ?
Iron (Fe)Indicates wear originating from rings, shafts, gears, valve train, cylinder walls, and pistons in some engines. Nickel (Ni) Secondary indicator of wear from certain types of bearings, shafts, valves and valve guides. Molybdenum (Mo) Indicates ring wear. Used as an additive in some oils. Chromium (Cu) Primary sources are chromed parts such as rings, liners, etc., and some coolant additives. Aluminum (Al) Indicates wear of pistons, rod bearings and certain types of bushings. Tin (Sn) Indicates wear from bearings when babbitt overlays are used. Also and indicator of piston wear in some engines. Silver (Ag) Wear of bearings which contain silver. In some instances, a secondary indicator of oil cooler problems, especially when coolant in sample is detected. Copper (Cu) Wear from bearings, rocker arm bushings, wrist pin bushings, thrust washers, other bronze and brass parts. In some transmissions, wear from discs and clutch plates. Oil additive or anti-seize compound. Sodium (Na) Coolant additive; used as an additive in some oils. Silicon (Si) A measure of airborne dust and dirt contamination, usually indicating improper air cleaner service. Excessive dirt and abrasives can greatly accelerate component wear. Boron (B) Coolant additive; used as an additive in some oils. Phosphorous (P) Antitrust agents, spark-plug and combustion chamber deposit reducers. Zinc (Zn) Antioxidants, corrosion inhibitors, anti-wear additives, detergents, extreme pressure additives. Calcium (Ca) Detergents, dispersants, acid neutralizers. Barbium (BA) Corrosion inhibitors, detergents, rust inhibitors. Magnesium (Mg) Dispersant - detergent additive, alloying metal.
 
gaston said:
Ok so an oil report shows positive in just some of theses results would you take the risk ?
Iron (Fe)Indicates wear originating from rings, shafts, gears, valve train, cylinder walls, and pistons in some engines. Nickel (Ni) Secondary indicator of wear from certain types of bearings, shafts, valves and valve guides. Molybdenum (Mo) Indicates ring wear. Used as an additive in some oils. Chromium (Cu) Primary sources are chromed parts such as rings, liners, etc., and some coolant additives. Aluminum (Al) Indicates wear of pistons, rod bearings and certain types of bushings. Tin (Sn) Indicates wear from bearings when babbitt overlays are used. Also and indicator of piston wear in some engines. Silver (Ag) Wear of bearings which contain silver. In some instances, a secondary indicator of oil cooler problems, especially when coolant in sample is detected. Copper (Cu) Wear from bearings, rocker arm bushings, wrist pin bushings, thrust washers, other bronze and brass parts. In some transmissions, wear from discs and clutch plates. Oil additive or anti-seize compound. Sodium (Na) Coolant additive; used as an additive in some oils. Silicon (Si) A measure of airborne dust and dirt contamination, usually indicating improper air cleaner service. Excessive dirt and abrasives can greatly accelerate component wear. Boron (B) Coolant additive; used as an additive in some oils. Phosphorous (P) Antitrust agents, spark-plug and combustion chamber deposit reducers. Zinc (Zn) Antioxidants, corrosion inhibitors, anti-wear additives, detergents, extreme pressure additives. Calcium (Ca) Detergents, dispersants, acid neutralizers. Barbium (BA) Corrosion inhibitors, detergents, rust inhibitors. Magnesium (Mg) Dispersant - detergent additive, alloying metal.
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Depends .... What type/brand of oil, how many hours on it, how long has it been in the engine, how long since engine last run. what engines ?
Without all that information the numbers don't mean much. Yes it will turn up catastrophic issues on a one off test but nothing an experienced diesel guy wouldn't see pretty quickly. Not saying don't do it, just saying blind faith without a history is questionable.
 
Thank you for your repply
Be shure , I never take the sea without make all controle of the boat and his engines :D I'm french but not idiot :D
When I decided to going in US to see the boat , all will be checked , engine , hull etc.....cleaning all the tanks
If I buy this one , I will stay all the time is needed to be shure off my boat can cruising without trouble.
It is expected to buy many parts like oil , filters , préfilters , injector , water separator , tools etc.....
my travel is around 6000 miles , stop for maintenance are expected , my question was only for the most longer parts ....2025 miles exactly..
The maps are ready "pilots charts" and other , the road to travel with estimation of consumption also
thank for all
Stéphane
 
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gaston said:
If a oil analysis on the engine and gearbox shows up metal and bearing fragments where is the waste of time ???. Its a sure way to see if the motor is rooted I wouldn't go around and up the river 10 k if it had a bad feed back from the analysis let alone 2500 mile trip .
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What if the previous owner changed the oil 10 hours before the analysis?

What if the previous owner had never changed the oil?

What if the previous owner had used random brands and weights of oils? Or the wrong spec oil for the application?

There are reasons when sending in oil to be sampled the lab asks for the engine hours on it, the brand, the weight, how many quarts of new oil have been added during the time since the last change, etc.
 
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Bugster said:
sorry :D 2 engines
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In that case as I mentioned you can shut one down at a time to check fluid levels from time to time.

And if you keep track of the hours between checks and the amount of fluid you add at each check stays constant after a few checks, you could stop the checks and just add the same amount of fluid at the proper number of hours without stopping the engine.

Just be sure to clean out under the engines real well and put down clean oil sorb pads so you can see any leaks that may develop. As well as having nice bright lights in the engine space to make your visual checks as easy as possible.

But I wouldn't worry about changing fluids underway.
 
Capt.Bill11 said:
In that case as I mentioned you can shut one down at a time to check fluid levels from time to time.

And if you keep track of the hours between checks and the amount of fluid you add at each check stays constant after a few checks, you could stop the checks and just add the same amount of fluid at the proper number of hours without stopping the engine.

Just be sure to clean out under the engines real well and put down clean oil sorb pads so you can see any leaks that may develop. As well as having nice bright lights in the engine space to make your visual checks as easy as possible.

But I wouldn't worry about changing fluids underway.
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I think to changing the oil for analysis , travel for 50 miles and analysing again to be sure
During the travel of 2065 miles i think checked the level and add if is necessary and change the oil and the filters at the end of the long travel to be quiet for the rest of the trip.
I have calculate ,2065 miles at 8 knots , it's 262 hours for the best time , certainly more....I am still has the research of conversion tables
 
Sounds like you have it all well-planned Bugster. Capt. Bill knows his stuff, and he's ok with your plan. You don't want to be too put off by some of the nervous Nellies on here, just sayin'... :hide: :D
 
Peter B said:
Sounds like you have it all well-planned Bugster. Capt. Bill knows his stuff, and he's ok with your plan. You don't want to be too put off by some of the nervous Nellies on here, just sayin'... :hide: :D
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Yes :D i want enjoy with my boat and not be afraid....and this return trip will be beautifull
Hawai , kiribati , samoa , fidji , new caledonia.......
 
Bugster said:
Yes :D i want enjoy with my boat and not be afraid....and this return trip will be beautifull
Hawai , kiribati , samoa , fidji , new caledonia.......
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Sounds great. I have visited Noumea via boat, but it was the 'Pacific Sun', not long before she was sold off by P & O to a Chinese Company. A nice sized liner thought - not too big.

I loved what I saw, and it gave me a bit of a chance to test out my very rusty (high school days) French. We fitted in the Yellow Train trip as well. That's a great way to see Noumea as a guided tour, and time is limited.

I might try a bit of French practice on you as we go along, if thats ok..? I just loved the 5 days we had in Paris, while visiting number one son in London, and we took the EuroStar to Paris, but that was all too short - unfinished business there, and I need to get back. One standout, seeing we are into boats on here, was the Musée National de la Marine located at the Place du Trocadero. Fantastic display of model vessels of all types, interesting videos, etc. Have you been there..?

Sorry, thread drift over...
 
Peter B said:
Sounds great. I have visited Noumea via boat, but it was the 'Pacific Sun', not long before she was sold off by P & O to a Chinese Company. A nice sized liner thought - not too big.

I loved what I saw, and it gave me a bit of a chance to test out my very rusty (high school days) French. We fitted in the Yellow Train trip as well. That's a great way to see Noumea as a guided tour, and time is limited.

I might try a bit of French practice on you as we go along, if thats ok..? I just loved the 5 days we had in Paris, while visiting number one son in London, and we took the EuroStar to Paris, but that was all too short - unfinished business there, and I need to get back. One standout, seeing we are into boats on here, was the Musée National de la Marine located at the Place du Trocadero. Fantastic display of model vessels of all types, interesting videos, etc. Have you been there..?

Sorry, thread drift over...
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Hi Pete ,

I'm going to Paris when I was young but so mutch people for me :D
Nouméa is good to visit but so many shop are closed and it's shade for the tourist we can do better for you :D
Where are you located in australia? may be one day where going in australia with our boat
see you
Stéphane
 
Engines and oil levels are one thing, overall vessel integrity another. Before attempting a Transpac, all relevant systems, electronics, communications, weather routers, running gear, fuel tank integrity, safety equipment etc come into question.

Lost at sea is a reality to plan around. Hopefully Bugster you have some trusted allies who have done this before in a similar vessel.
 
sunchaser said:
Engines and oil levels are one thing, overall vessel integrity another. Before attempting a Transpac, all relevant systems, electronics, communications, weather routers, running gear, fuel tank integrity, safety equipment etc come into question.

Lost at sea is a reality to plan around. Hopefully Bugster you have some trusted allies who have done this before in a similar vessel.
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Yes , dont worry , when I said before , I wil stay all the time is needed to checked all the boat including the cleaning of the fuel tank , the electronics etc.....i dont whant to be lost in the sea :D I have my life , my whife and 4 children :D I'm not crasy dont worry
 
Bugster.

Some of us remember a lady who came to us with questions about cruising the world with her family. :hide: .

Two questions, (1) care to share the boat information with us as it appears on yacht world? (2) what yard will be doing the haul out, inspections and work on this vessel?
 
sunchaser said:
Bugster.

Some of us remember a lady who came to us with questions about cruising the world with her family. :hide: .

Two questions, (1) care to share the boat information with us as it appears on yacht world? (2) what yard will be doing the haul out, inspections and work on this vessel?
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I'm in contact with the seller and i'm waiting for more information about the boat and the inspector on the place for the different survey.
I think it's better to looking for the people when i'm on the spot and make all I must to do time after time.
 
Hawgwash said:
Is there good solid information on the engine rebuilds?
Who, what, when, where, etc.?
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Hi Hawgwash ,

I rebuid myself , I'm working many years on the mining gear , I'm working on many caterpilliar and cimmins engine and rebuild

Engines and electricity are not a problème , my only question was about consumption , not the same beetwen mining and boat

Stéphane
 
Bugster said:
Hi Pete ,

I'm going to Paris when I was young but so mutch people for me :D
Nouméa is good to visit but so many shop are closed and it's shade for the tourist we can do better for you :D
Where are you located in australia? may be one day where going in australia with our boat
see you
Stéphane
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J'habite à Brisbane, Australie, Stéphane. Bonne chance avec votre projet de bateau. :popcorn:

Cheers,
 
Peter B said:
J'habite à Brisbane, Australie, Stéphane. Bonne chance avec votre projet de bateau. :popcorn:

Cheers,
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Salut Pete
Est-tu français ? si non , tu l'écris bien :D , merci a toi et si tu vois que je m'exprime mal en anglais ou que je ne suis pas assez précis dans ce que je dis , merci de me prévenir
peu être a un de ces jours
Stéphane

En tous cas , soyez tous sûr que je ne pars pas a l'aventure sans y être bien préparer.....
 
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