Unfortunately price is not a factor in the cleanliness of a boat. I've purchased a boat over 250 k and it was a dirty mess. Maybe you have a higher price range in mind.
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Unfortunately price is not a factor in the cleanliness of a boat. I've purchased a boat over 250 k and it was a dirty mess. Maybe you have a higher price range in mind.
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As you are all probably aware, MY biggest beef with boat listings is, as mentioned, lack of ER pictures. The state of the ER is a benchmark for the overall boat maintenance. Rattle can "tune ups" with over spray suggest other items have been covered up to hide deficiencies IMO.
Re: Post #30. Yes, some marine appliances have been built for a more severe environment but in many cases cost 2X to 5X more than a perfectly serviceable domestic appliance. Case in point...Our Home Despot reefer cost a fraction of a marine unit. I called the manufacturer and asked about locations on the unit to affix brackets and door clasps which were duly installed. It's secure and operates as desired.
As you are all probably aware, MY biggest beef with boat listings is, as mentioned, lack of ER pictures. The state of the ER is a benchmark for the overall boat maintenance. Rattle can "tune ups" with over spray suggest other items have been covered up to hide deficiencies IMO.
Re: Post #30. Yes, some marine appliances have been built for a more severe environment but in many cases cost 2X to 5X more than a perfectly serviceable domestic appliance. Case in point...Our Home Despot reefer cost a fraction of a marine unit. I called the manufacturer and asked about locations on the unit to affix brackets and door clasps which were duly installed. It's secure and operates as desired.
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. Where did you get your marine tv , microwave, coffeemaker etc?
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Why'd you purchase a "dirty mess" boat at 1/4 million dollars if it was such a dirty mess?? Either you saw through the clutter and decided it was a good buy... or you are telling tales just to keep your story on line. From your previous posts, I read into it that you greatly disliked messy/dirty boats... so do I. However, instead of purchasing - I usually walk, in search of a better cared for vessel. Feel I must ask; why didn't you do so in this case?
The majority of regular posters on this forum are the exception. There are some remarkably clean and well organized engine compartments routinely shown on this forum.
After crawling through thousands of boats I can tell you, you guys are a cut above.
The filth I crawl through on a daily basis is the norm ! Perhaps the ones that bother me most is the sparkling Corian counter tops, polished floors and lovely upholstery while the engine compartment, battery systems etc. are a disgusting mess with years of multiple owners playing with things they knew nothing about.
I have actually walked out on surveys because I could not get to any important stuff under debris and filth. I have come home and stripped on the dock because I did not want my clothes worn inside my boat. I have had to be deloused twice.
On the other hand I get to hang around boats all day then people give me money
After crawling through thousands of boats I can tell you, you guys are a cut above.
The filth I crawl through on a daily basis is the norm ! Perhaps the ones that bother me most is the sparkling Corian counter tops, polished floors and lovely upholstery while the engine compartment, battery systems etc. are a disgusting mess with years of multiple owners playing with things they knew nothing about.
I have actually walked out on surveys because I could not get to any important stuff under debris and filth. I have come home and stripped on the dock because I did not want my clothes worn inside my boat. I have had to be deloused twice.
On the other hand I get to hang around boats all day then people give me money
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My wife and I call these "yard sale" boats. It looks like they outfitted the decor that way. Not an indicator of mechanical condition, but if you are looking to get closer to your asking, take time to tidy the boat.
Also- when did an iPhone become the proper medium to take video and pictures? An HD camera doesn't cost much if selling boats is your JOB. Sheesh.
Also- when did an iPhone become the proper medium to take video and pictures? An HD camera doesn't cost much if selling boats is your JOB. Sheesh.
Engines = heart of the subject for power boats. No working engine
I will not purchase a boat that limits me to a crouched position in its engine compartment... there is no need to have that encumbrance at hand - period! Appliances = Each to their own!
Engines = heart of the subject I love to "jump" (i.e. gently step) into our Tolly's clean, roomy, stand up, fully broad-hatched engine compartment for any reason at all; often do so pre dawn just for general check up as well as S&G.
Ah Ha ! i'm asingle engine guy too.
The majority of regular posters on this forum are the exception. There are some remarkably clean and well organized engine compartments routinely shown on this forum.
After crawling through thousands of boats I can tell you, you guys are a cut above.
On the other hand I get to hang around boats all day then people give me money
You have good way
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And no toilet paper streamers. Put the tools away. It helps to remove the window coverings too. Brighten the boat up a little.
My guess is that the broker meets the owner at the boat for 10 minutes while they are cleaning it up, whips out his cell phone, takes a few quick shots, then leaves. Afterwards they post a listing with poor spelling - and hope to sell a vessel that may cost more than a house in many cases.
I'd bet that nicely staged and high quality images, good grammar and spelling - heck - I could get someone more money for their boat...
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I'm inclined to try and see the boat itself w/o the clutter. All clutter and dirt can be cleaned up. When you go over the boat thoroughly and buy it you've got the boat you've checked out and the annoyance is history. And of course if you're smart you got a better price taking advantage of the sellers bad marketing skills or even stupidity.
On the other hand if he treated the other aspects of the same way he treated the boat and presentation pics you're probably wasting your time. However the boat could be a never to be found again boat perfect for your needs it could be best to overlook the mess.
But if you're insulted by the pictures personally you could be getting in the way of good boat buy for yourself.
Having said that I do agree about Cell phone pics. I'ts widespread w car salesmen. You'd think a "professional" would put more effort into his work.
I'm inclined to try and see the boat itself w/o the clutter. All clutter and dirt can be cleaned up. When you go over the boat thoroughly and buy it you've got the boat you've checked out and the annoyance is history. And of course if you're smart you got a better price taking advantage of the sellers bad marketing skills or even stupidity.
On the other hand if he treated the other aspects of the same way he treated the boat and presentation pics you're probably wasting your time. However the boat could be a never to be found again boat perfect for your needs it could be best to overlook the mess.
But if you're insulted by the pictures personally you could be getting in the way of good boat buy for yourself.
Having said that I do agree about Cell phone pics. I'ts widespread w car salesmen. You'd think a "professional" would put more effort into his work.
It is kind of ironic to me that so many boats, even pretty high priced ones look so bad when up for sale. The irony is that those same people, when they put their house up for sale, will have their broker pay someone to "stage" their house.
The people who'll pay to have their home staged will also stage their boats and are a very small segment of the population. Half the rest will makes sure everything in is "shipshape" in the house AND the boat...the other half are either about to lose both the boat and house to foreclosure or so busy just trying to keep their heads above water that they have no energy left to take care of what they own...or they were raised as slobs and don't even see the dirt and mess.
Marine appliances are usually built for the environment and able to be secured properly. I doubt that a Walmart refer is built as well.
Anything that can survive in a beach house can stand up to the "marine environment" on a boat. I had no problem securing the microwaves I bought from Walmart for my boats, nor with their durability. Walmart doesn't sell dual voltage refers, but their "dorm" fridges are as well built as you'll find anywhere else and can be properly secured. And then there small appliances...where have you ever seen "marine" vacuum cleaners? blenders" coffee makers? hair dryers? There are 12v versions...you'll find 'em at Walmart, RV supply stores and truck stops...which hardly makes those "marine"... and besides, they don't work nearly as well as 115v "household" appliances.
The people who'll pay to have their home staged will also stage their boats and are a very small segment of the population. Half the rest will makes sure everything in is "shipshape" in the house AND the boat...the other half are either about to lose both the boat and house to foreclosure or so busy just trying to keep their heads above water that they have no energy left to take care of what they own...or they were raised as slobs and don't even see the dirt and mess.
Marine appliances are usually built for the environment and able to be secured properly. I doubt that a Walmart refer is built as well.
Anything that can survive in a beach house can stand up to the "marine environment" on a boat. I had no problem securing the microwaves I bought from Walmart for my boats, nor with their durability. Walmart doesn't sell dual voltage refers, but their "dorm" fridges are as well built as you'll find anywhere else and can be properly secured. And then there small appliances...where have you ever seen "marine" vacuum cleaners? blenders" coffee makers? hair dryers? There are 12v versions...you'll find 'em at Walmart, RV supply stores and truck stops...which hardly makes those "marine"... and besides, they don't work nearly as well as 115v "household" appliances.
I've said it a couple of times before - I love crappy selling brokers, boats that haven't been "staged", and lousy pics. I'd love it even more if there was a sign on the boat saying "Go away!". But then I'm probably looking for the "diamond in the rough" and not one in a Tiffany setting. I will admit this is a challenge with my spouse who would want the Tiffany diamond.
But I live in the PNW where boats are plentiful - and I can understand the frustration of pouring a lot of money into investigating a remote boat. However, I think we've surfaced a few strategies for that (having a local TFer look it over, hiring a surveyor with a quick exit option, somehow getting the crappy broker to provide better pictures).
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I tell ya what....I have a "marine" Norcold at $1400 and it is quite possibly the biggest piece of crap on my entire boat. It's a new one too with the newest compressor. I have seen many household reefers built WAY better at half the cost. It's only redeeming quality is the ability to run on 12 volts. If this thing ever dies, I will happily replace it with a Walmart brand and let it run off of the inverter!!! The Norcold does anyway...the way my inverter set up is.
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My iPhone6 takes excellent photos and I wouldn't hesitate to use it for many situations including photos of my boat. It's only limitation is that it doesn't have a wide enough angle for interior shots. (I have a Nikon D7000 with wide angle for those shots.)
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Greetings,
I wonder how many brokers would agree to pay your trip to and from the boat IF it is not as described?
Something like this: "Mr. broker. You say the boat is turnkey and everything works. It's exactly the make and model I'm looking for and it seems a good price but it will cost me $XX to fly there to take a look. Are you willing to stand by your description of the vessel enough to pay my expenses if it is NOT as described?" "NO?...OK what is wrong with it?" "Can I have that in writing?"
Hahahaha....Good luck.
I wonder how many brokers would agree to pay your trip to and from the boat IF it is not as described?
Something like this: "Mr. broker. You say the boat is turnkey and everything works. It's exactly the make and model I'm looking for and it seems a good price but it will cost me $XX to fly there to take a look. Are you willing to stand by your description of the vessel enough to pay my expenses if it is NOT as described?" "NO?...OK what is wrong with it?" "Can I have that in writing?"
Hahahaha....Good luck.
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I have been a sales guy all my working life. The lousy listings I see make me CRAZY! Dirty boats, pictures out of focus, things that really matter like ERs not shown at all, and on and on and on. Grrrr. I am almost tempted to become a yacht broker just to do it the right way. On second thought ... nah.
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