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GregBrannon
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What has the thread title to do with your question?
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I'm not Marin, but...
Port door missing from the 36.
Port door missing from the 36.
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No ****? Thanks for clarifying that. I'm gonna have a stern word with the guy who taught me that incorrectly.
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To my eye, the 42 seems to be the more graceful of the two. The 36 looks a little stubbier, a little more upright, a bit more awkward. I like them both very much, but I prefer the 42. The 46 somehow doesn't quite work as well either. The proportions are just a little off somehow. The 42 seems to be the sweet spot, at least aesthetically.
Spend a few years gazing longingly at yachtworld listings. You'll be able to tell the difference in no time!
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To me, they look different and identifiable.
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Hawgwash-- GB36 tri-cabins made with the new molds that replaced the original molds in 1988 have a port door like the GB42. It's a little farther forward in the side of the cabin than the 42's.
The extra length of the GB42 is distributed among all three cabins. The most apparent difference between the two models is in the main cabin which is noticeably longer viewed from the outside and more roomy feeling when you're inside. This is helped by the extra width of the GB42.
The new molds also made the GB36 taller. So the headroom,particularly in the aft cabin, is better. I'm 6'2" and my head touches the headliner in the aft cabin of our 1973 boat. We chartered a 1991 boat before buying our own and I had plenty of headroom in the aft cabin.
The new molds also allow for a separate shower stall in the aft cabin so one doesn't have to have the combination head and shower used on most of the pre-1988 boats.
Because the post-88 Gb36s are taller (and a wee bit longer) the forward head, which on our boat is very small, is large enough to include a shower with a curtain surround.
There have been a number of interior variations in the GB36 over the years, some of them very clever. One of our favorites is a port-side settee in the main cabin that has an insert that fits across the port doorway and a removeable panel in the aft main cabin bulkhead that creates a full-length berth on the port side using the settee and the top of the port hanging closet in the aft cabin.
While the interior compartment dimensions are consistent within each version of the GB36 tri-cabin (called the "Classic" in GB nomenclature) there have been enough variations in the compartment layouts and features that just about the time you think you're safe in saying all post-88 boats are like this or all pre-88 boats are like that, you come across an exception.
Of all the now out-of-production GB models our favorite by far is the GB46 Classic, particularly the galley down configuration. That's a boat you can really do something with as the number of staterooms and the size of the main cabin provide a ton of flexibility. And the step-down aft cockpit with the transom door to the swimstep is brilliant. GB eliminated that feature toward the end of the GB46's production run in a desperate effort to reduce the production cost of the boat. Major mistake in our and everyone else's opinion we've talked to about this including the GB dealer in our harbor and while it's not the sole reason by any means, GB killed off the GB46 a few years later.
The extra length of the GB42 is distributed among all three cabins. The most apparent difference between the two models is in the main cabin which is noticeably longer viewed from the outside and more roomy feeling when you're inside. This is helped by the extra width of the GB42.
The new molds also made the GB36 taller. So the headroom,particularly in the aft cabin, is better. I'm 6'2" and my head touches the headliner in the aft cabin of our 1973 boat. We chartered a 1991 boat before buying our own and I had plenty of headroom in the aft cabin.
The new molds also allow for a separate shower stall in the aft cabin so one doesn't have to have the combination head and shower used on most of the pre-1988 boats.
Because the post-88 Gb36s are taller (and a wee bit longer) the forward head, which on our boat is very small, is large enough to include a shower with a curtain surround.
There have been a number of interior variations in the GB36 over the years, some of them very clever. One of our favorites is a port-side settee in the main cabin that has an insert that fits across the port doorway and a removeable panel in the aft main cabin bulkhead that creates a full-length berth on the port side using the settee and the top of the port hanging closet in the aft cabin.
While the interior compartment dimensions are consistent within each version of the GB36 tri-cabin (called the "Classic" in GB nomenclature) there have been enough variations in the compartment layouts and features that just about the time you think you're safe in saying all post-88 boats are like this or all pre-88 boats are like that, you come across an exception.
Of all the now out-of-production GB models our favorite by far is the GB46 Classic, particularly the galley down configuration. That's a boat you can really do something with as the number of staterooms and the size of the main cabin provide a ton of flexibility. And the step-down aft cockpit with the transom door to the swimstep is brilliant. GB eliminated that feature toward the end of the GB46's production run in a desperate effort to reduce the production cost of the boat. Major mistake in our and everyone else's opinion we've talked to about this including the GB dealer in our harbor and while it's not the sole reason by any means, GB killed off the GB46 a few years later.
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I find having deck-level doors on both starboard and port sides, readily accessible from the helm, to be extremely handy. Anything less is a major compromise/shortcoming. Not so if one maintains a professional crew onboard.
Marin, thanks.
I agree with you on the 46 Classic. I have yet to see one live but my twice daily rounds of Port Sidney should produce one sooner or later. Although, I mustn't get sidetracked like I did yesterday as I wasted 4 hours talking to a skipper of a 42 GB Classic from Seattle; he on the deck, me on the dock.
We covered the coast from Morro Bay to Metlakatl, rebuilt a 57 Nordhavn and got Donald Trump into a straight jacket. The joy of boating; you can be a loner or socialiser; your choice.
Anyway, back on topic. Your pointers on interior design and spatial orientation are greatly appreciated. I've copied it to my winter learning curve folder.
Now, if I can only figure out how to tell the difference between a 36 and a 42, in profile at 200 yards, I'll be happy.
Maybe BruceK ("To me, they look different and identifiable.") will share his secret.
BTW if anyone knows the owner of the 42 Classic "Jane" out of Tacoma, please pass on my compliments. One of the most attractive 42s I've seen. The lack of clutter above the gunwales alone makes it a standout. Very nice
Hawgwash--- The GB42 looks a little more bulky in the upper body of the hull forward and the main cabin is perceptively longer. Also the lower aft end of the flying bridge side is noticeably longer on the GB42 then the GB36. That's about it other than details.
First photo, GB36, second photo GB42.
First photo, GB36, second photo GB42.
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Thanks for the side by each pictures. Great comparative. The gunwale line against the main cabin is noticeable as well.
Thanks again.
Capt.Bill11
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On most 42's the bulwarks tend to hide the fwd cabin side windows more than on a 36'. In most cases viewed from the side you can see the tops of the windows on a 36'. Where on most 42' classics you can't.
Yes, thanks Capt.Bill.
The pics posted by Marin makes that difference very noticeable.
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The "secret" is out. 1.They look different. 2.One is longer, the other shorter. Etc.
Factory specifications and even deck plans are available on some models on their site. Now they did many variations so may not apply to a specific boat.
Grand Banks Yachts - Retired Models
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It might be worth knowing that the 42 classic is known to have 50% more interior volume than the 36. These boats might look similar from afar but when moored next to each other, the 42 looks huge.
It would have been nice if GB had put bigger saloon doors on the 42C, but they look the same as the 36's. I actually had a guest that was wider than the door and he didn't even try to squeeze in.
So to those that are generously proportioned, I suggest a Europa.
It would have been nice if GB had put bigger saloon doors on the 42C, but they look the same as the 36's. I actually had a guest that was wider than the door and he didn't even try to squeeze in.
So to those that are generously proportioned, I suggest a Europa.
Do you know if that same ratio in turn applies to the 46 to 42?
The reason for the original question is, with a keen interest in seeing and talking to as many 42s as possible, I often scoot down to the marina when I see one heading in only to discover it is really a 36.
At one point in the thread, we touched on the 46 and until one showed up a couple days ago I had not seen one in person. Even though the owner was more than happy to talk about his boat, I still didn't get to see inside.
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Sorry, I don't. But I doubt the difference is as great.
Yeah, the 46 is only a few inches beamier as well.
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Truly great minds think alike. One of the things I crave is a second stateroom without turning the aft end of Mokum into our bedroom. Ergo I am a sedan man looking for a five hole amidships to stash some bodies behind a door. Marin's description fits my plan almost praeternaturally. So there, a $2 word for boat miracle.
Anyway, in a Canoe Cove 37 I have a hanging closet about four feet deep, and behind it in the copious basement there is a miscellaneous space wherein I only have to remount some wiring conduit and - voila!
What clinches the deal for me is seeing the V berth insert and cushion, which I have no use for, stowed aboard as a bunk, and I can hang my Sunday suits in the interim as always - I have to think of my public...
Now I'm assuming that the bulkhead I have targeted is not a bearing wall...listen for my curses and prayers.
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Hawg--- I've crawled all over a GB46 Classic (tri-cabin) when my wife and I were seriously thinking of getting one a year or so after we got our GB36. I can tell you there is pretty much no comparison. The GB46 is much larger feeling (and IS much larger) then the GB36 and the GB42. You wouldn't think another four feet over the GB42 would make that much difference, but it makes a TON of difference. More difference, in my and my wife's opinion, than the six feet of difference between the GB36 and GB42.
Of all the GBs, the GB46 Classic galley down is our absolute favorite. If we were to decide to move up in the GB line from what we have now we would not even consider the GB42. We would go straight to the GB46.
The fellow who owned our boat before us did just that. He went from this first-generation fiberglass GB36 to a nearly-brand-new GB46. He didn't want to own two boats so as he was driving his new GB46 down the coast from Vancouver, BC to Alameda he radio-called a broker in Alameda and told him to unload the GB36.
That was the same day we walked into the GB dealer up here and why we got the boat for damn near free. Well, not quite but it was such a good deal we would have been nuts to pass it up even though GBs are not our favorite type of boat.
But in the GB lineup, in our opinion the GB46 is the one where the folks in Singapore got everything right.
Of all the GBs, the GB46 Classic galley down is our absolute favorite. If we were to decide to move up in the GB line from what we have now we would not even consider the GB42. We would go straight to the GB46.
The fellow who owned our boat before us did just that. He went from this first-generation fiberglass GB36 to a nearly-brand-new GB46. He didn't want to own two boats so as he was driving his new GB46 down the coast from Vancouver, BC to Alameda he radio-called a broker in Alameda and told him to unload the GB36.
That was the same day we walked into the GB dealer up here and why we got the boat for damn near free. Well, not quite but it was such a good deal we would have been nuts to pass it up even though GBs are not our favorite type of boat.
But in the GB lineup, in our opinion the GB46 is the one where the folks in Singapore got everything right.
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Nomad Willy
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For a clear identifying difference that can be seen from a distance .... the break in the sheer line on the 36 is a tad bit aft of amidships whereas the break on the 42 is well ahead of midships.
As usual, many thanks.
I guess the engine room would be a treat as well, even with big Cats in it?
