Frustrating Experience at Oceanside Marina

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Jim Gandee

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This past week I motored down the So. Cal. coast from Long Beach to San Diego, Chula Vista Marina to be exact. I was searching for good marinas to overnight so as to break up the trip into two days. Oceanside looked good so I called ahead to get some information. I was told they only accepted slip reservations via US mail. Prepayment was required via check and I needed to provide a copy of my Documentation and Proof of Insurance.

HUH? U.S. Mail….ONLY? Okay, I jumped through their hoops and received a slip assignment via U.S. Mail a few days prior to departure. (So it takes at least a week to get a slip reservation!) Fast forward to the arrival day, we pull in about 1600 LT only to find our assigned slip already taken. The City of Oceanside marina personnel do NOT monitor any marine radios thus I attempted multiple cell calls to resolve the issue. After a series of holds and dropped calls I receive a secondary slip assignment and motor down only to find that slip also taken! After additional calls I’m finally directed to an end tie near a restaurant which works. I make my way to the harbor office where I’m admonished for being late as they close at 1630. I tried to explain that if my reserved slip had been open I would not have been late but all they would say is “it’s been crazy around here since the fishing has been so good.” I ask for the shower keys and am told they require a $35 deposit payable by check only. They City will refund my $$ after I return the keys which can be deposited in a night drop box or brought back to the office at 0800 the next day. What a bunch of BS! The City will take 3 months to refund my $$ and there’s no method to prove I dropped the keys in the box and I plan to depart at O-Dark Thirty. I somehow persuaded the employee that I was trustworthy enough to return the key, and she really wanted to go home, so she gave me the shower key. Guess what, the key didn’t even work!!! Luckily we accessed the showers via other boaters.

For the return trip, four days later, we originally planned to stop at Dana Point but the Admiral decided that was a bit to far so I was back on the phone with Oceanside Marina where I was again told they only accepted reservations via U.S. Mail. “Look, I was just there four nights ago. You already have the documentation you require what’s the issue?” “We require prepayment” the clerk stated. “No problem I can give you my credit card info.” To which she again told me they only accept checks. Cut to the chase….she reluctantly gave me a slip reservation and assignment and I thanked her.

I bet you know what happened next! We pulled into Oceanside Harbor the next afternoon and of course learned the Marina personnel had no record of any reservation for me, the employee that I had spoken to was off that day and I was out of luck! After a lot of discussion I was eventually assigned a side tie adjacent to the bait barge with no power, water or shower accessibility and they charged me the same as the slips with power, water etc!!

At first I thought this was a one off incident but the more I speak with other So. Cal boaters I see the overall attitude of the local marina personnel is that of disdain, apathy and you’re lucky to be in our marina! Contrast that to the PNW where you can call most marinas on the VHF and receive a friendly welcome and slip assignment. Perhaps my assessment of the So. Cal. area marina’s pervasive overall negative attitude is premature but I’m seeing a pattern here. I’d sure like to hear from others out there in my area that motor up and down the coast and desire overnight harbor accommodations.

What have been your experiences, good and bad?

P.S. Chula Vista Marina folks were pleasant and helpful but beware it's ten miles from the harbor entrance!
 
Appalling! Everything they could mess up they did. Negative publicity well deserved.
 
I agree with Bruce.






I would suggest a call followed up by a certified mail letter to the Mayor or whatever position is highest in their food chain, detailing as you did, the actions and attitudes of their staff and management.


If there are others that are complaining, then maybe it's time to organize and flood them with letters and phone calls, until the problem is resolved.


Media is another good outlet when dealing with bureaucrats.


All the best dealing with them.
 
If you right a letter to an official, be polite and explain how the problems are a deterrent to you and your friends coming to the city. It's important to explain that vacationing boaters spend money at restaurants and other stores. Poor management practices at the marina definitely impact local business. If your going to write, a letter to the local Chamber of Commerce explaining how these policies impact local business may get more results that to a bureaucrat.

Ted
 
I hope you are going to post your experiences on ActiveCaptain, so a very wide audience gets to hear about this.
 
Ted makes a great point.
Polite, thorough, and professional will get you a long way with the bureaucrats, as well as the chamber of commerce. Details, names, date/time, etc. are paramount.

Noting the potential economic impact, especially given the states current economic position, certainly can't hurt.

If it's a city marina, then it's probably under the direct auspices of some city department. I would at least find the director of that department, and make them aware.
 
Many marinas have had people skip out on the reservation. Mechanical problems happen and people's minds change. Edgartown, Ma (Martha's Vineyard) you can submit a reservation request online, then get a confirmation via E-mail. They expect payment in full at the time of the reservation. Hyannis Marina (Cape Cod), you make a reservation online and they call back to collect payment information at the time of confirmation. In both cases the only way to reserve is online and they expect payment in full at the time the reservation is confirmed.

What you're describing is not uncommon. Many places request that you call to verify the day of arrival if you are going to arrive later than a specific time. This is typically around 12pm to 2 pm. If not, they can and will on a busy day give away your slip or mooring.

They have too many people skipping out on reservations, while they are turning away requests to rent the same space. I don't blame them. In most places in the US the boating season is short and they need generate enough revenue to carry them through the off season months.
 
Many marinas have had people skip out on the reservation. Mechanical problems happen and people's minds change. Edgartown, Ma (Martha's Vineyard) you can submit a reservation request online, then get a confirmation via E-mail. They expect payment in full at the time of the reservation. Hyannis Marina (Cape Cod), you make a reservation online and they call back to collect payment information at the time of confirmation. In both cases the only way to reserve is online and they expect payment in full at the time the reservation is confirmed.

What you're describing is not uncommon...

Very true and so understandable from a business perspective; however, in this case, the City Marina appears to be stuck in the 70's, wanting to do everything by mail.

Heck, when I reserve a hotel or campsite, they always take a credit card to secure the room/site. Totally understandable. And there's always a stipulation that if a reservation is not cancelled within X hours of arrival, you may lose your reservation fee. Again, totally understandable.:thumb:

But the crap they put this guy through was not only antiquated, but a huge waste of time and a major inconvenience to the boating public. Add to that the lack of customer service (or basic human respect and courtesy) on the part of the staff, and I can see why he's pissed off.
 
But the crap they put this guy through was not only antiquated, but a huge waste of time and a major inconvenience to the boating public. Add to that the lack of customer service (or basic human respect and courtesy) on the part of the staff, and I can see why he's pissed off.
When you take away the incentive of profit along with the nature of governmental bureaucracy and you're expecting something different?
 
Shrew,
I agree that marinas will, and should reassign reserved slips if they are not accounted for in person or by phone by a certain time. That's not the issue.

My overall complaint is the marina's reservation system. To conduct all business via US Mail ONLY and prepayment with a check is obsolete, cumbersome, inefficient and is extremely restrictive for transient boaters. I should be able to call on the phone to request a reservation, provide a credit card for immediate payment and email any required documentation ie: registration, USCG documentation and proof of insurance. I can accomplish all of that on my smart phone in just a few minutes. Easy Peasy!
 
We live 6 miles from Oceanside Marina, but we dock our boat 44 miles away in San Diego. The marina is city owned and ineptly run. On the other hand, the Oceanside Harbor Police are rated tops in Southern California.
 
When you take away the incentive of profit along with the nature of governmental bureaucracy and you're expecting something different?

I'm afraid I don't understand?
I don't think that anyone is trying to deny the marina a profit. I'm in the private sector now, and profit is definitely a concern.

The USCG and other bureaucracies not withstanding, there's really no reason in this electronic age, that they couldn't automate the entire process.

As a matter of fact, utilizing a credit card with a cut off time to cancel, could result in additional income for the marina. If the OP cancels after the cutoff, they get to keep the default reservation fee, and at the same time, can rent the slip to the next guy that comes along. Cha-ching! :)
 
If you do write them, please keep us updated
 
Wifey B: What is mail?

Seriously, who uses it for anything anymore. What century are they in.

I'm use to paying by card when reserving and in most cases like that because it means I have a record and I have the slip.

Now the one thing I've always learned is follow up. Don't trust anyone to not screw up. I make it sound like I'm just nicely verifying and updating them, but really I'm making sure you have it right. I do it on hotels and dinner reservations too. I've called marinas and know they didn't have a space reserved for us, but they scrambled and never admitted it, although an employee fessed up that night.

Anyone know if they have a marina management company or are they handling themselves? Sounds like they're handling and don't know what they're doing. I think they just think they're so special people will put up with it.

Calling Jeffrey. I don't even see them on AC. You have the yacht club, Jolly Roger and the fuel and mini-mart. Only one slip review and it's under the Yacht Club.

Glad we didn't go there now.
 
When you take away the incentive of profit along with the nature of governmental bureaucracy and you're expecting something different?

Agree completely... And BTW, that registered letter to a city official. it won't be worth the paper it's written on either.
 
Shrew,
I agree that marinas will, and should reassign reserved slips if they are not accounted for in person or by phone by a certain time. That's not the issue.

My overall complaint is the marina's reservation system. To conduct all business via US Mail ONLY and prepayment with a check is obsolete, cumbersome, inefficient and is extremely restrictive for transient boaters. I should be able to call on the phone to request a reservation, provide a credit card for immediate payment and email any required documentation ie: registration, USCG documentation and proof of insurance. I can accomplish all of that on my smart phone in just a few minutes. Easy Peasy!

I agree with you Jim. I don't think I've written a check in 5 or 6 years. Posting your experience on active captain is a good idea too.
 
Agree completely... And BTW, that registered letter to a city official. it won't be worth the paper it's written on either.

:rofl::rofl: well, if you say so....:rofl::rofl:
I'm still not sure where the taking away profits fits in?
 
Chiming in as an Oceanside tenant. I have not had any problems with the harbor staff in my 3+ years in the harbor. I deal with them about once every month or two and the process has always been amiable.

As for check vs. credit card, that's a city thing. The city recently took over all of the payment processing for the harbor and I believe the city is likely responsible for the checks only policy. That doesn't excuse the lack of modern payments (i.e. plastic); just pointing out who to blame.

Oh, and in addition to the JR we have the Oceanside Broiler, Joe's Crab Shack, a small diner and a great fish & chips place. Plus a couple of taverns.
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Dick
 
Dont like it? Tell them why. Then go somewhere else.

It is first perceived as a rather crudely ignorant attitude to solving a situation, but is not without merit.

They are entitled to run a business any way they see fit. I can choose to comply, or build my own marina.

But rooted deep into the equation is if enough people feel similar then they would have to change. Or someone WILL build a new marina.

Just your word. Your relayed experience with nothing but your words, means they wont be housing my vessel any time soon.

Our vacations. Our tourist dollar. Our souvenirs and our business will go to someone else. Because of X.

Now if I DONT write them a letter. How would they know they missed me? Extrapolating some impact forecasted notion of how serious/legitimate your letter is? Sifting and deciding in if to validate and quantify YOUR grievances?

Meh.. I'll just write them a simple letter. They can respon/change/or outright ignore. But my letter does have value in it's own singular presence.

-Jmo-
 
Chiming in as an Oceanside tenant. I have not had any problems with the harbor staff in my 3+ years in the harbor. I deal with them about once every month or two and the process has always been amiable.

As for check vs. credit card, that's a city thing. The city recently took over all of the payment processing for the harbor and I believe the city is likely responsible for the checks only policy. That doesn't excuse the lack of modern payments (i.e. plastic); just pointing out who to blame.

Oh, and in addition to the JR we have the Oceanside Broiler, Joe's Crab Shack, a small diner and a great fish & chips place. Plus a couple of taverns.
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Dick

Glad to hear from a tenant. Maybe you can answer a couple of questions. Do you see transients as a priority of the marina or really something they feel is more of a bother while they're serving their full time tenants? I ask this because their methods seem especially burdensome on transient boaters. Our original plan only had us staying there one or two nights and I could see them thinking that isn't even worth their time and effort.

It's not the harbor staff I'd have the problems with, but the city's policies. In fact, my only criticism of the harbor staff would be when they gave in and made exceptions for the OP. I'm not sure they were authorized to do that. I think they went out of their way and perhaps could even have gotten into trouble for that.

The irony of the checks only is that the city accepts cards online for nearly every other service. I have to think that sometime there were issues at the marina and an overreaction based on them. I will say this, I've been surprised at the number of marinas who not only accept but provide discounts for checks. I just figured that as a marina if I had a customer from hundreds or thousands of miles away, I'd be uncomfortable with accepting checks for $10,000 - $40,000 for fuel as they do from larger boats.

Around the country, I've found very few cities that actually operate their own marinas. The vast majority lease the operating rights out to a third party. Sometimes it's a major marina management company and sometimes just a single operation. Generally though the city prefers to just collect one monthly fee and not have to fool with any other aspects. It's the same with condo and homeowner's associations that own marinas.
 
I'd send them (them, being council and mayor, not city administration) a link to this topic.

Our little city views our municipal harbour as an attractor to transients that may spend money at local businesses or choose to become residents, so generally speaking, complaints are well received.

However, it may well be that Oceanside doesn't view the marina as an attraction, but as a service to residents; transients are merely an annoyance.
 
The city of Oceanside expanded their transient docks some time ago, so I don't think they look on transient boaters as a "nuisance." The Harbor Police go out of their way to help transient boaters, going so far as to provide an escort into the sometimes tricky harbor entrance. We are headed north for our annual September Catalina cruise and our first stop will be Oceanside Y C for a guest slip.
 
I don't write letters as they often never make it to the person you're trying to reach, are just handled by others. I make phone calls and don't stop until I reach a level of some real authority. I may or may not accomplish anything, but I get to express it directly and I get some of their time, plus they have no choice but to listen. Sometimes they take things seriously and get back in touch. Other times you know they're just wanting it to end and will do absolutely nothing.

My only experience with any government office in California was the tax office in San Diego and they were extremely cooperative and helpful. They even gave us a written response for our records and they went out of their way to notify the assessor who would actually be checking the marina. Now, we did go to their office in person and dealt with the appropriate people directly. We actually went to discuss and make an appointment with the right person but it turned out she saw us right then.
 
Glad to hear from a tenant. Maybe you can answer a couple of questions. Do you see transients as a priority of the marina or really something they feel is more of a bother while they're serving their full time tenants? I ask this because their methods seem especially burdensome on transient boaters. Our original plan only had us staying there one or two nights and I could see them thinking that isn't even worth their time and effort.

I am a member of Dana Point Yacht Club and our club has an annual cruise to Oceanside. Since Oceanside YC doesn't have a great deal of transient berthing, our members have used the marina transient berthing facilities. I don't recall any complaints about the harbor staff or the payment policies. That doesn't mean there were no complaints; just that I haven't heard any. I really couldn't say what the harbor's attitude to transients is since I haven't had any other interaction with transient folks. Give us a try and let us know about your experience! :)

Slightly OT: I have interacted with the Harbor Police on 3 or 4 occasions and I have found them courteous and professional. As another post pointed out, the entrance to the harbor can be tricky and the Harbor Police will come out to escort incoming vessels for the cost of a VHF transmission. One of my dock neighbors, a veteran power boater, had his boat rolled nearly 90 degrees by a 'sneaker' wave a few weeks ago when entering. The boat was OK but two of his passengers wound up in the water. He called mayday and the Harbor Police (along with Vessel Assist and the local lifeguards) were on the spot in less than five minutes.
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Dick
 
Give us a try and let us know about your experience! :)

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Dick

Maybe next time we're that way. At the moment we're in Massachusetts so a bit far for this weekend.
 
...Oh, and in addition to the JR we have the Oceanside Broiler, Joe's Crab Shack, a small diner and a great fish & chips place. Plus a couple of taverns.

I was out there the week of Christmas, and my daughter and I ate at the crab shack. Not a bad place.

Nice little ice cream parlor there as well if I recall correctly?
 
I was out there the week of Christmas, and my daughter and I ate at the crab shack. Not a bad place.

Nice little ice cream parlor there as well if I recall correctly?

Wifey B: Oh if it has a nice little ice cream parlor, I'm sold. I scream for ice cream. :D

Katie's in Hyannis....wow.....almost....um....so good. In addition to regular ice cream, 24 flavors of soft serve.
 
WifeyB, do you and Mr.B ever get up around Savannah and Tybee Island?
If so, check out the Sugar Shack. It's owned by my wife's relatives, and pretty much a landmark in the area. Great Ice Cream!!
 

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