A boat for Marin Faure

Nomad Willy · Nov 3, 2010

I've been shopping for another boat and came across this wonderful old wood gem. All 27 tons of her cedar and oak hull is a manestfation of what I wish the GB had been. I would buy her if I thought I could give her propper TLC. I sure hope she finds a good home and that this post works so we can all enjoy her.

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</td></tr><tr><td align="center"><i class="fine">KARINKA [/i]</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td valign="top"><h1>42' Daniel Wells Tug / Trawler</h1> <ul>[*]Year: 1971 [*]Current Price: US$*73,000 [*]Located In Seattle, WA [*]Hull Material: Wood [*]Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel [*]YW# 1673-2036421 [/list]Get a shipping estimate
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Boat Name
KARINKA

Specs
Builder: Daniel Wells / Rice Marine Railway, Reedville, VA
Designer: Charles Wittholz

Dimensions
LOA: 42 ft 0 in
Beam: 13 ft 8 in

Engines
Engine Brand: Caterpiller
Engine Model: 3160 / Aspirated
Cruising Speed: 9 mph
Maximum Speed: 13 mph
Engine Hours: 818

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Dimensions

Max Draft: 5
Displacement: 27 Tons
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Total Power: 225
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Fuel: 4 tanks*= 350 gals. total
Fresh Water: 200 gals. Aluminum
Holding: 25 gals. 55 gals.
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-- Edited by nomadwilly on Wednesday 3rd of November 2010 07:38:20 PM

Doc · Nov 3, 2010

Cool!

Daddyo · Nov 3, 2010

She's bona fide!

Marin · Nov 3, 2010

Eric--- Very nice exterior lines.

It wouldn't work for me because (a) I don't have the time or interest to screw around with a wood boat, (b) while I don't have anything against a single-engine boat I don't want one, and (c) I don't want a boat that slow. We already have a boat with a glacial cruise speed; if we ever get a different boat it's going to be WAY faster.

And while I really do like the exterior lines, I don't care much for the interior. It's way too busy-looking for my taste. But for the price--- assuming it's not hiding a bunch of major wood issues-- it will make someone a very nice boat.

FF · Nov 4, 2010

The usual rule of thumb on keeping a boat in great condition is it costs on adverage (over the years) 10% of what the vessel would cost if built today.

Looks like 2 full time jobs to me , tho she is EYE CANDY!

hollywood8118 · Nov 4, 2010

This is an amazing boat.........
Radiant Star

Talk about maintenance
Ouch
HOLLYWOOD

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Nomad Willy · Nov 4, 2010

Hollywood,
Yes there was a full blown article in PMM a few years ago*** ...about how he bought her, re-fit her and brought her on her own keel around the horn and up to Puget sound. The dream must have died though as she's been for sale for about $800K for some time.

hollywood8118 · Nov 4, 2010

nomadwilly wrote:

The dream must have died though as she's been for sale for about $800K for some time.

A close friend of mine is in the CCA with the owner of Radiant Star... I cannot remember the reason he is selling her... 800k is probably a small percentage of what he has into it. Dreams and plans change for us all.. some welcomed.. some not. More on that subject later..
HOLLYWOOD

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Carey · Nov 4, 2010

nomadwilly wrote:

Hollywood,
Yes there was a full blown article in PMM a few years ago*** ...about how he bought her, re-fit her and brought her on her own keel around the horn and up to Puget sound. The dream must have died though as she's been for sale for about $800K for some time.

I saw Radiant Star in Friday Harbor. A fine, fine vessel. I saw her advertised the other day at just under $700k.*

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Egregious · Nov 4, 2010

Marin wrote:

Eric--- Very nice exterior lines.

It wouldn't work for me because (a) I don't have the time or interest to screw around with a wood boat, (b) while I don't have anything against a single-engine boat I don't want one, and (c) I don't want a boat that slow. We already have a boat with a glacial cruise speed; if we ever get a different boat it's going to be WAY faster.

And while I really do like the exterior lines, I don't care much for the interior. It's way too busy-looking for my taste. But for the price--- assuming it's not hiding a bunch of major wood issues-- it will make someone a very nice boat.

You don't like anything.

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Marin · Nov 4, 2010

Egregious wrote:

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Marin wrote:

Eric--- Very nice exterior lines.

It wouldn't work for me , etc.

You don't like anything.

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I like the aesthetic design of the boat's exterior.* I just wasn't impressed with the rest of it.* Hey, I didn't name the thread "A boat for Marin Faure."

I like a lot of boats.* They just don't happen to be the kinds of boats we tend to talk about or have*on this forum.* The one exception I can think of offhand is Carey's lobsterboat.* I really like its design, speed, layout, heritage, aesthetics*etc.* About the only thing I don't like about it is that*it's not mine.

I like Flemings.* I like Eastbays.* I like Victory Tugs.* I like some converted fishboats like trollers and seiners*other than the fact they're usually slow as slugs.* I like the Krogen Express although I know nothing about it other than what it looks like.* I like the design of the Hinkley Picnic Boat and the knockoffs that look like it.* I like Hacker Crafts, Gar Woods, and torpedo-stern or barrel-back*Chris Crafts.* There are some Chris Craft cruisers from the 50s that I like but I wouldn't want to own one unless I had a boathouse to keep it in.

But almost all modern or modern-ish production boats outside of the ones I named*don't do anything for me at all.* Just like most modern cars (outside of Aston Martins and a few other "exotics") don't do anything for me.* It's like marine architects punched up "Vessel Aesthetics" on their design computers and hit the delete key.

-- Edited by Marin on Thursday 4th of November 2010 10:30:04 PM

healhustler · Nov 5, 2010

This is a beautiful boat to me. *I envy the PNY for their big draft possibilities. *Take a look at that rudder! *With 5 ft. of draft around Miami, you'd really be limited in your coastal, inland and Island exploring possibilities, and you'd even have to watch-out for some places on the ICW.

bshanafelt · Nov 5, 2010

Hi Eric,

We met the folks who own Karinka last year 2009*at Princess Louisa and saw them around Desolation as well.

If you look at picture 72 you will see the transom of our boat at the dock at Chatterbox falls.

Great folks who live aboard with their 2 young boys 8 and 5.* That year we made the scramble up to the 'trappers' cabin - which I do not recommend for the faint of heart, and on the way back down met the dad and the 8 year old on the way up - They did in fact make it all the way up - quite the accomplishment for the young lad.

The family was on quite the adventure as mom would fly in and out to go back to work in Seattle and dad and the boys would cruise about the area.

Concerning the boat - a very heavy stout vessel - ploughed through some big water crossing the straight with ease.

gotta love the authentic tug lines.

Nomad Willy · Nov 5, 2010

Marin's a lot like me in that respect*** ....he, we, I just say whatever we think, we believe in it and expect others to do so also or at least be accepting of our ideas and actions. They say introverts think before they speak*** .... and of course where does that leave all the rest of us?
healhusler,
Please get up on the photo album and tell us more about your interesting boat. It is beautiful (below the sheer line) and visibility must be grand from up there in the wheelhouse. Is it the same hull as the Krogen 39? Actually it's a 36** ..right**** ...what is it?
I had at least distant thoughts about buying the Daniel Wells until I saw photo #21.
I don't think I could afford to turn that wheel fast enough to power any boat. And then there's the wood** ...and lots of it. If there were 2 new Daniel Wells next to each other, one wood and one FG I'd buy the wood boat. BUT*** ....to buy one 40 years old ??? I could afford to buy that boat but what then?? I couldn't even remove the propeller by myself!

Here is another beefy boat I lusted over to some extent but this old gal even has a Gardner engine! And it also has the hydraulic winch just like the one I bought
... on a properly sized boat for it. But LOOK at that main salon! Beautiful** ...
to me it's more beautiful than a brand new Selene. She's attractive but esthetically she's in a different and distant class from the Daniel Wells. Best chart system I've seen in a long time though. Lots of old fish boats on the proper coast had chart "tables" that swung down from the overhead like this one.

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</td></tr><tr><td align="center"><em class="fine">ANNIE B [/i]</td></tr></tbody></table></td> <td valign="top"><h1>42' Conversion Trawler</h1> <ul>[*]Year: 1960 [*]Current Price: US$*89,000 [*]Located In Seattle, WA [*]Hull Material: Wood [*]Engine/Fuel Type: Single diesel [*]YW# 1450-2252265 [/list]Get a shipping estimate
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Boat Name
ANNIE B

Engines
Engine Brand: Gardner
Engine Model: LW 6A
Engine Type: Inboard
Drive Type: Direct Drive

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The accommodations are the feeling of the "grand room" with a double berth to port in the aft lower salon with a single berth facing. The salon futon also pulls out to make up into sleeping for two. The large salon area has seating on both sides and freestanding Dickinson diesel heater.
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The galley is on deck aft of the helm to the starboardwith a dinette on the port. The Sigmar diesel stove is both cooking and a source of dry heat for the cruising wheelhouse. A microwave oven and refrigeration with freezer, good counter space and storage for feeding the cruising crew.
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Dual shore power receptacles for either 30 or 50 amp connections. New wiring and breaker panels for 110 volt and 12 volt systems.
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Disclaimer

The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without notice.
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Marin · Nov 5, 2010

Since this thread IS "A boat for Marin Faure," here are some shots I happen to have on my computer of some recreational boats I DO like.* In the first photo our boat is across the way. Aesthetically it's pretty pathetic compared to the Fleming.

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Peter B · Nov 6, 2010

Marin, one thing I find I don't really like in a boat, and it's my one criticism of the GB and the IGs, (sorry Walt, Dwatty, Viking, et al), is the step in the sheerline. I think one continuous sheerline looks the better effect. Is it that you refer to when you criticise the look of your GB 36? Also, what is that one in the last pic? it look like what they are calling here in Oz, the Clipper Cordova.....?

Codger2 · Nov 6, 2010

Peter B wrote:"Marin, one thing I find I don't really like in a boat, and it's my one criticism of the GB and the IGs, (sorry Walt, Dwatty, Viking, et al), is the step in the sheerline. "
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OMG!* Pure heresy!

The reasons for incorporating a "stepped Sheerline" in a boat are many.

A) keeping the CG of the finished boat in mind, it allows more bow height.
B) It adds to the headroom down below.
C) It allows more visibility from salon windows aft of the pilot house.
D) It keeps the scale of the boat in proper perspective. (No "barn door"*
freeboard.)
E) It incorporates a historic tie to past nautical designs. (Dorades anyone?)

F) Since it's more expensive to build a stepped sheer boat, (molds, etc)
the benefits, from a design point of view, outweigh the costs.

And lastly, IMHO, A "stepped sheer" just looks more "salty."

etc, etc, etc.

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Nomad Willy · Nov 6, 2010

BUT*** ...it makes the boat look shorter

Marin · Nov 6, 2010

Peter B wrote:

Marin, one thing I find I don't really like in a boat, and it's my one criticism of the GB and the IGs, (sorry Walt, Dwatty, Viking, et al), is the step in the sheerline..... Also, what is that one in the last pic? it look like what they are calling here in Oz, the Clipper Cordova.....?

Peter---- I think the "stepped" sheerline pretty much sucks as a design element on a recreational boat.* To me it makes a boat look quite awkward.* I have always assumed American Marine did it with the Grand Banks because it's a design element that's very common in commercial fishing boats and the GB is loosely based on a commercial fishboat configuration.* I have also assumed that the reason commercial fishing boats have it is to combine a hull with high freeboard up front (for bucking into waves and swells) and a low freeboard aft for handling fish and fishing gear.* (See attached photo of Donna, a 1940s salmon troller in our marina).*

So the functionality of the step in a commercial boat makes all kinds of sense.* But to giving a passing nod to this commercial design element with the limp-wristed dip that's put into the sheer of many recreational boats to me is pointless since it's not needed to work the boat and it detracts from what could be a very nice looking hull.* The Eastbay, for example, would look stupid with this sheer dip, as would a lobsterboat.

I will say that the way it was done on Walt's boat is probably the best-looking application of this configuration in a recreational boat I've seen.* At least they didn't get all wimpy about it like they did with the GB design.* The sheer on Walt's boat looks more like what is actually done on a commercial fishboat although on the working boats the step-down is usually farther aft.

The boat in the last photo you're asking about is Dreamer, an Alaskan 45 built by American Marine in their Kowloon Yard in 1974.* American Marine, of course, created the Grand Banks line of boats in the 1960s but they also built a line of larger boats called Alaskans at the same time using a basic design by deFever.* All Alaskans were made of wood--- American Marine's original yard in Kowloon only made wood boats.* Their fiberglass boats were made in their new yard in Singapore starting in 1973.* I copied the attached shot of the original American Marine yard from a book--- it appears that all the boats visible in the shed are Alaskans, as is the third boat from the camera in the GB lineup in the water.

The Alaskan 45 was the smallest model of Alaskan line, and I believe only eight of them were made.* Most of the larger Alaskans are pilothouse boats with Portugese bridges, which is the basic deFever design they're based on.* The 45 is, in my opinion, one of the best looking recreational boats ever made by anybody.* Dreamer's owner is (or was) Bob Lowe, who for years owned and managed Oak Harbor Boat works on Whidbey Island in Washington.* This yard works on anything but they specialize in maintaining, repairing, and restoring Grand Banks, wood and glass.* Bob is, in my opinion, one of the two most knowledgeable people on the planet when it comes to Grand Banks and Alaskan boats, particularly the woody GBs, the other person being Mike Negley back east.* Bob and his wife bought Dreamer when the boat needed a ton of work and over the years restored it to immaculate condition.* They have cruised the boat extensively in the PNW and in Mexico.* Bob recently put the boat up for sale but I don't know if it sold, or if it didn't if it's still on the market.* The photo I posted is actually Bob's avatar photo from the GB forum.

Dreamer is powered by a pair of Ammarine John Deere engines, which are John Deeres that I believe were marinized by American Marine.* American Marine went bankrupt in 1974 and while they continued to build boats under a different ownership, money was tight so they never switched the Alaskan line from wood to fiberglass.* It's too bad, particularly in the case of the 45.* I don't care for the look of most of the larger Alaskans, but the 45 to me is gorgeous.** I'd sell my soul to own one but not in wood.

It is no accident that a Fleming looks like an Alaskan--- Tony Fleming ran the American Marine yard for awhile in the 1970s and when he left to start his own boatbuilding company he based his boats on the Alaskan design (which in turn is based on a deFever design).* He also took American Marine's master book on how to make a bulletproof fiberglass hull that Howard Abbey had written for them, but that's another story.

From time to time Bob has posted photos on the GB owners forum of details of Dreamer's interior, most of which he rebuilt, and to say it's outstanding is an understatement.* Of the details I've seen, the new headliners he put into Dreamer is my favorite.* If I could come even close to that in our boat I will be a happy person.* Bob is a master shipwright to say nothing of having total familiarity with every other aspect of a boat's system.* He is one of the main reasons the GB owner's forum is so valuable.* I have learned more about boat maintenance and repair from Bob, either through the forum or by direct correspondence, than from any other source.

More than you wanted to know, but that's the story of the boat in the last photo.* The boat in the second photo, by the way, was built in 1927.

-- Edited by Marin on Saturday 6th of November 2010 11:52:52 AM

Peter B · Nov 6, 2010

Interesting, nevertheless, even if a bit more than I expected, but clearly now I look closer, the Cordova is different, but maybe worth a look, http://www.clippermotoryachts.com.au/ as they look like the sort of craft you would like in style, and they are capable of speed Marin - real speed.* As are the Alaska range of vessels, not to be confused with that Alaskan, as you have just explained, but again maybe worth a look.* http://www.alaskamotoryachts.com.au/
I must say if I have the dough, the Alaska 42 Europa Sedan would do me fine.* No need for a flybridge they are just to roomy, and you drive them so high and handsome.* Very well put together as well.

Peter B · Nov 6, 2010

SeaHorse II wrote:Peter B wrote:"Marin, one thing I find I don't really like in a boat, and it's my one criticism of the GB and the IGs, (sorry Walt, Dwatty, Viking, et al), is the step in the sheerline. "
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OMG!* Pure heresy!

Sorry Walt, no offense, but looks are very subjective, and I stand by my statement, even though all you say may be true.* Comes back to that Prius debate does it not?* And I see Marin & Eric agree with my feelings on this one.......

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Nomad Willy · Nov 6, 2010

Not so Peter man. I just said it makes the boat look shorter. I'll even it up a bit.
Makes the stepped sheered boat more interesting.

healhustler · Nov 7, 2010

nomadwilly wrote:

healhusler,
Please get up on the photo album and tell us more about your interesting boat. It is beautiful (below the sheer line) and visibility must be grand from up there in the wheelhouse. Is it the same hull as the Krogen 39? Actually it's a 36** ..right**** ...what is it?

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nomadwilly: *Yes, it is an interesting boat indeed, but iits beauty is typically in the eye of its beholder, for sure. *It is one of about a half-dozen or so Krogen North-Sea Manatees. *I'm not sure where the photo album is, so I'll just do some photos below. *The boat is actually getting some paint now, so the exterior photos you see here are photoshopped with the new stripes. *I've included another standard Manatee example below so you can see the clear difference in pilothouses. *Outside of a different layout in the stateroom and a Yanmar 140 HP instead of the usual Volvo 90 HP, it's pretty much the same as most Manatees. *The shocker is it's handling. *The thing goes so straight that the Auto-Pilot has no work to do. *Windage is not like one would think, and getting hit broadside in the marina isn't something to panic about. *The boat will put you to sleep Until you get a short chop of 3 ft. or so. *Engine almost imperceptible from the helm. *It's a great looper and Bahamas live-aboard.

1, standard Manatee configuration

2. Our North-Sea version

3. Boat deck of sister ship

4-5 Pilothouse interior shots

6. Veranda

-Others, various interior shots

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Nomad Willy · Nov 7, 2010

Excellent pictures and an excellent boat. Welcome to boating w a full disp hull. I assume the hull is similar to the other DF Krogens. What a bridge! I'm real fussy about visibility and your boat goes to the head of the class on that score. Beautiful inside too. The photo album is on the top of the General Discussion thread. I'd rather the pics were there but I'm sure glad you showed us the Manatee. Wish we had pics of all the TF boats but especially the special or unique ones and the Manatee is.

BaltimoreLurker · Nov 8, 2010

healhustler wrote:-Others, various interior shots

I notice you have a couple of the Ekornes stressless recliners aboard.* How are they working out for you?* I just ordered one for myself.

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Sailor of Fortune · Nov 8, 2010

Nice uncluttered helm station. I like the single lever controls- much easier especially while operating single screw vsls. 1 hand for helm, 1 for clutch/throttle. Much more intuitive (but then I am a simpleton!).

Codger2 · Nov 8, 2010

Sailor of Fortune wrote:" I like the single lever controls- much easier especially while operating single screw vsls. 1 hand for helm, 1 for clutch/throttle."

Ditto!

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Marin · Nov 8, 2010

Peter B wrote:I must say if I have the dough, the Alaska 42 Europa Sedan would do me fine.* No need for a flybridge they are just to roomy, and you drive them so high and handsome.* Very well put together as well.

I don't see an Alaska 42 on the website.* Their smallest boat seems to be the Alaska 46.* But I don't care for the look of any of them myself.* The big ones are too Euro-yacht looking and the small ones look like knock-off attempts of the Eastbay but they didn't get it quite right.

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healhustler · Nov 8, 2010

nomadwilly wrote:

The photo album is on the top of the General Discussion thread. I'd rather the pics were there but I'm sure glad you showed us the Manatee.

Hey Eric: *Yes, I see that now. *I'll prepare the move of the photos over there and delete them above so the thread can stay on track. *Thanks for the welcome and to everyone for the kind remarks about our odd lady.

Peter B · Nov 9, 2010

Marin wrote:I don't see an Alaska 42 on the website.* Their smallest boat seems to be the Alaska 46.* But I don't care for the look of any of them myself.* The big ones are too Euro-yacht looking and the small ones look like knock-off attempts of the Eastbay but they didn't get it quite right.

Yes, it appears to be gone now.* There was a 42, and it looked just like a scaled down version of the 46 sedan.* You're a hard man to impress Marin, but each to his own....

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