Some bow bling from H/C! She looks great! Good to see a repurposing for all those old tractor seats rusting in fields around the world.
Were you Parks' first Rocna sale?
H/C do you know what the metallurgy is of the components - shank, flukes, etc?I think the new Rocna is going to be a good option for people like me who pull their anchor up through a pulpit. It's a beautiful anchor that just looks like it will grab the earth and hold on.
H/C do you know what the metallurgy is of the components - shank, flukes, etc?
Super Strong Stuff? Well, coming from Rocna, that could mean that it is made out of some material with strength ranging between titanium and pot metal, so a little specificity would be nice.Yeah was curious about that too. The shank seemed really thin. I asked him about that and said they tried make it light as possible so all weight is at the tip area. He assured me its super strong stuff.
Super Strong Stuff? Well, coming from Rocna, that could mean that it is made out of some material with strength ranging between titanium and pot metal, so a little specificity would be nice.
That said, I do like the looks of this design, and suspect it might perform well. It basically looks like a knock off of the Ultra/Spade so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be a good hook.
I'm with you on the Spade. They all look like High School shop projects to me. It's why I like the Ultra, which seems to perform slightly better than the Spade, but looks ok too.I know, I know. I should have asked him what "strong material" was. After seeing the spade, the Rocna looked much better. Not trying to be bias. Just looked simpler and better. If I might add.
I'm with you on the Spade. They all look like High School shop projects to me. It's why I like the Ultra, which seems to perform slightly better than the Spade, but looks ok too.
The fluke is Spade-like but is kind of stupid looking w it's toilet seat ass end. Don't see any advantage.
Is this an admission that the roll bar was a mistake?
Thanks for the try H/C. Apparently for some companies, simple honesty is viewed as a marketing disadvantage.Here is part of the reply I received from Rocna regarding the metal used in their anchors.
The shank of the galvanized anchors is made from a high tensile steel, and the shanks of the SS anchors are made from a high tensile stainless steel. We consider the specifics confidential.
Here is our “standard” response on requests for steel composition.
The shank is made of a high tensile steel, the blade and roll bar are made of regular steel. Canada Metal (Pacific) Limited doesn’t release technical material specifications regarding the metals used in the anchors – Canada Metal (Pacific) Limited, who have been manufacturing Rocna anchors since Sept 2011, is a world leader in specialized alloys, and considers this information to be proprietary. We are the largest manufacturer of marine anodes in the world, and supply military and marine OEM engine manufacturers – both of whom have very exacting requirements with respect to supply chain management and quality control.
Since acquiring the Rocna brand Canada Metal has overlaid the same extensive QC procedures onto the Rocna production, to the extent that we can now trace any anchor manufactured back to the raw material certificates used in its production. With this attention to detail in manufacturing, and the lifetime warranty against bending or deformation as well as manufacturing defects, you can be confident of the product.
To offer a life time warranty they must be pretty confident in their products.
Thanks for the try H/C. Apparently for some companies, simple honesty is viewed as a marketing disadvantage.
Asking what MPa an anchor shank steel has is not quite the same as asking for the ingredients in Coca Cola. It's like asking a mattress manufacturer if their product is stuffed with used hospital bandages and being told that information is "proprietary." It appears Smith found the perfect company to sell to - one that shares his view on the value of being forthright.Not defending Rocna/Canadian Metals per se, but if you ask us how we manage to create a one-piece composite fuselage section with all the stringers as an integral part of the shell, we're not going to tell you. If you ask us what the composition and properties are of the composites we use, we're not going to tell you. If you ask us how we achieve the indirect lighting in our new interiors, we're not going to tell you.
In fact, there is very little about how we design and manufacture our airplanes that we WILL tell you, as a member of the general public.
It's got nothing to do with honesty or even marketing. It has to do with protecting our design, materials specifications, and manufacturing processes for competitive reasons.
I would have been amazed if Rocna/Canadian Metals had stated what the exact makeup of their anchors is beyond what they said in their press release.
Marin that's a big jump ......
Jetliners to small boat anchors.
Hardly so. "Everything about their product" is not what was asked. I merely inquired what the strength of the shank was. Since Rocna has lied about this in the past, it seems a reasonable question. This is the equivalent of asking whether the tomatoes are organic or not. Answering that question doesn't reveal what fertilizer is used, whether they are hot house or field grown or anything else "proprietary". Not answering such a simple question is consistent with a company uncomfortable with the truth, so again, buyer beware.Delfin seems to automatically assume that if a company doesn't reveal everything about their product they're trying to get away with something. And there's no question that this happens. But he, and the rest of us, know absolutely nothing about what goes on at Canadian Metals. To them, not revealing the exact specifications of the components of their products may be a company policy, a policy that's applied to all their products, not just anchors. We don't know.
If I ask Boeing how they make a complex wing I don't deserve an answer. If they want to sell me an airplane and I ask them if it will fly to 40,000 feet without imploding and their answer was "that's a secret", I'd buy Airbus. And until Rocna/CM starts acting like they don't have something to hide, my advice would be to buy from manufacturers who feel fine telling you whether the product you are purchasing meets some performance specification that exists on paper, not in the imagination of someone like Peter Smith.
The fact that they are doing well in the marketplace tells me they are doing well in the marketplace, and that there are lots of people who don't pay very close attention to the quality of what they buy. Big surprise.
Yes to both.As a point of interest does any other anchor manufacturer give a lifetime warranty on their anchors, which begs the second question has Rocna ever have had to make good on the warranty?
As a point of interest does any other anchor manufacturer give a lifetime warranty on their anchors, which begs the second question has Rocna ever have had to make good on the warranty?
My comments did not challenge CMP's capabilities, but whether answering a question of what the shank strength is of one of their products with "it's a secret" is confidence building to possible purchasers. Michael Collins excellent book 'Built to Last' details lots of capable companies whose culture was such that honest dealings were not of particular importance. Zenith, Polaroid, Bell & Howell - these were all eminently capable companies whose culture doomed them to eventual insignificance. I have no clue whether that would be CMP's fate, but that doesn't make suggesting that their obfuscating answer to a simple question is a mark of a company culture that is incompatible with the one that drove Peter Smith's enterprise into trouble an unreasonable observation.Canada Metal Products has a long and storied history. Its well spring is Cominco which was founded early in the last century. CMP are well beyond their 20th year of across the board ISO 9000 type compliance with numerous products big and small sold into the world marketplace. Having worked closely with some of their sister companies and executives it is hard to conceive that "tiny" Rocna would be able to force them to make a lack luster metal product.
CMP can spell and do metallurgy as related to castings, shapes, forgings, weldments and anodes. Best to fuss about will the Rocna supplant the other brands of similar if not identical anchors than question the capability of CMP. The Aussies may well have a fight on their hands especially in NA with low cost freight rates and simplified logistics.
Marin that's a big jump ......
Jetliners to small boat anchors.