Interesting boats

Animal - Nice Boat. From gallons fuel carried and range mentioned I calc apprpx 3.75 nmpg with 10% + safety-fuel remaining. Not too bad at all!

Having experienced some rough seas off Atlantic coast, that I am confident could pound that pilot house window assortment (face on and possibly at 45 degree angles), I hope they have some really high-quality/thick glass and mountings accomplished. The <1% chance of seas pounding those windows only needs to happen ONCE! And, if not rugged enough to withstand said unexpected pounding... Then too likely chance for blub, Blub, BLUB...

Greetings to the Forum-
Here is a brief history on American Marine. Ken Smith a navel architect, who later gained fame as the designer of the Grand Banks, was the architect. He also did the design on our former boat the 28 foot "Tenacious" which is very similar to the model "Spray" pictured in this article.
Lots of similarity with the Chantyman, our former harbor tug, and the Grand Banks in the hull form and bottom design.
Good sea boats and I'd agree, Ken addressed the center of gravity in his designs.
Regards,
Al-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere) Alaska

http://www.grandbanks.com/images/editorialreviews/PassageMaker_Fall1998_GBHistory.pdf

No, I wouldn't worry about the windows much. The engine way forward opens up the main cabin a lot....



The Chantyman was designed by Hugh Angleman and Charlie Davies

Hummmmmm! Took a moment and re-read the article. Maybe Smith didn't design the Chantyman as it is mentioned as being before Ken Smith's designing the Spray. Yet, as Tad points out and is the case with our former boat, the engine was favored foreword vs mid-ship. Perhaps Ken absorbed some of the Chantyman concepts in his designs. Just saying. All and all, the similarities of hull design are close.
Al

Angleman and Davies designed some salty sailboats ,Mayflower 40 and the
Seawitch 36 . Davies did the Islander 40 motor sailer

Al said:

Hummmmmm! Took a moment and re-read the article. Maybe Smith didn't design the Chantyman as it is mentioned as being before Ken Smith's designing the Spray. Yet, as Tad points out and is the case with our former boat, the engine was favored foreword vs mid-ship. Perhaps Ken absorbed some of the Chantyman concepts in his designs. Just saying. All and all, the similarities of hull design are close.
Al

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Not to argue with you Al.... ....but.....

There may have been up to 30 Chantyman Diesel Cruisers built by American Marine before they built the Ken Smith designed Spray which reportedly evolved into the GB36. (actually I don't think AM built Spray, but did base the GB36 on her.) The Chantyman is a heavy round-bottom full displacement design. The GB is a hard-chine boat intended (from the beginning) for higher speeds. Angleman and Davies were sailboat guys from the west coast(thus the higher freeboard and flair forward), Smith was a lobsterboat guy from the east and I don't think he ever designed a slow boat or a sailboat.

Thanks Tad, I would bow to your expertise. Always have and will look foreword to your submissions. Insight and knowledge offered that makes this forum an exciting platform. Members seemingly are willing to express points of view and for the most, accept criticize with tolerance.
This has been an interesting phase of Interesting boats for sure!

Al-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere) Alaska

Wait a minute Ted, after posting and thinking on it, I returned to the advertisement and reviewed the photos. If one looks at frame #3 the hull form sure looks like SD not FD.
For sure our Marben has as similar a bottom lines as the Chantyman and it is SD by manufactures wording and of course, Eric has so deemed it as so.

As you stated, not to argue the point-to clarify by definition one could say.
Al

1963 American Marine Chantyman Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

To make up for yesterday's bad manners....

This was anchored alongside this morning, Cruzeiro Do Sul, almost the definition of "trawler yacht". Heavy, low profile, serious cruiser. William Garden design built 1962 in Argentina, round-bottom steel, 52' by 14'6", twin Perkins power, big bilge keels, pig iron and cement ballast. The owner spent 12 years restoring her in Eastern Washington state, and he did a nice job. I really like the tapered aluminum masts.

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To make up for yesterday's bad manners....

This was anchored alongside this morning, Cruzeiro Do Sul, almost the definition of "trawler yacht". Heavy, low profile, serious cruiser. William Garden design built 1962 in Argentina, round-bottom steel, 52' by 14'6", twin Perkins power, big bilge keels, pig iron and cement ballast. The owner spent 12 years restoring her in Eastern Washington state, and he did a nice job. I really like the tapered aluminum masts.

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In my minds eye I see it junk rigged, with one out each side, on a fuel/time saving downwind romp.

Tad - I feel you are correct! If I had to pick one, amongst all the boats shown on TF... I would sat that is the epitome design for a "Pleasure-Boat Trawler" if ever there was one; i.e. if there could even be such an animal??!! - Cheers, Art

Al said:

Wait a minute Ted, after posting and thinking on it, I returned to the advertisement and reviewed the photos. If one looks at frame #3 the hull form sure looks like SD not FD.
For sure our Marben has as similar a bottom lines as the Chantyman and it is SD by manufactures wording and of course, Eric has so deemed it as so.

As you stated, not to argue the point-to clarify by definition one could say.
Al

1963 American Marine Chantyman Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

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There's more on the Chantyman here...

http://chanteymantrawleryachts.org/Chanteyman article-April 2010 PassageMaker.pdf

Bob Lane states, "displacement hull" and says folks were disappointed with the Chantyman's 6-7 knot cruising speed. That speed is not surprising with 56 HP standard and 86 (6 cylinder ford) optional. There is no way this boat could reach the 13 knots stated in the magazine specs.

The Ken Smith designed Spray on the other hand, with 270HP, was running at 17mph wide open.....that's semi-displacement territory....

Note her straight and flat buttocks.....

Thanks for the article on the Chantyman, One wonders if this reproduced in fiberglass would find a fit. The engine room space is tight appearing. I will concede the FD debate to Tad.
Now, here is a FD hulled boat that has been featured in other publications. One of several constructed here in Ketchikan across the narrows on Garvina Island at then, U.S.Forest Service main station. Lots of history on these boats.
Wolfe Marine Sales, Inc. (Seattle, WA)

Regards to the forum-
Al

Al,
As the thread is titled ... Interesting Boats.

Very interesting indeed. Love it. Especially the long narrow hull w the narrow stern and the sweeping lines aft. Definitely gonna be rolly though.
Looks like one of my favorite anchors too.

TAD,
"straight and flat buttocks" .... Yes but she has very little submerged transom aft ... at rest. That part makes Spray a little like the Handy Billy that's almost disp at slow speeds and almost a planing hull going fast.
How different is the GB 36 hull from Spray?

Eric- However these cruisers covered the whole of the Tongass and above from Skagway to the southern border in all forms of seas. No communications other than unreliable am transmitters and a simple compass,
Were there to be found records kept or stories in the old Alaska Sportsman magazines where old time fisherman and outdoorsmen submitted harrowing story's it would make repeating them in this forum many exciting moments!

You seem to have the ability to place pictures and as Tad is speaking to forms, our past boat the "Tenacious" had the bottom you are asking Tad to verify on the GB 36. The Tenacious ("Imp") was designed to make 12 knots WOT and had a 125 hp Nordberg six cyl. gas engine. I have a launching photo showing her on step in full plane in her original tug boat configuration.
The Tenacious and Spray share so many similar facets to confirm being of the same design.
Cheers-
Al

Al said:

Eric- However these cruisers covered the whole of the Tongass and above from Skagway to the southern border in all forms of seas. No communications other than unreliable am transmitters and a simple compass,
Were there to be found records kept or stories in the old Alaska Sportsman magazines where old time fisherman and outdoorsmen submitted harrowing story's it would make repeating them in this forum many exciting moments!

You seem to have the ability to place pictures and as Tad is speaking to forms, our past boat the "Tenacious" had the bottom you are asking Tad to verify on the GB 36. The Tenacious ("Imp") was designed to make 12 knots WOT and had a 125 hp Nordberg six cyl. gas engine. I have a launching photo showing her on step in full plane in her original tug boat configuration.
The Tenacious and Spray share so many similar facets to confirm being of the same design.
Cheers-
Al

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Al

Many contributing to TF threads are old enough to recall "pre-electro-wizardry" for communication and plotting devices. Compass, paper chart, watch and depth sounder was how we traversed New England coast for many years. Big boxy Ship to Shore radio of course for communications. I recall when Loran became a big deal for access to the general public!

Reason I post here is because of engine I bolded in your quote above. We had a Nordberg Knight in a 1951 36' SD, raised deck, fly bridge, sport fisher that dad and I restored. That was one stout old engine! We eventually replaced it with a Perkins 180 hp. with the ol' Nordberg cruise was 9/10 knots, with Perkins she cruised easy at 12/13 with WOT 15/16. Being that marine diesel on north-east coast was then 0.19 to 0.25 cents per gallon, and getting 2.5 to 3 nmpg... we did a lot of cruising on the cheap!

Cheers!! Art

Diamond in the rough?

1949 65' Northsea Trawler Yacht - $35000 (chesapeake va)

1949 65' Northsea Trawler Yacht

Catbird, First observation after the required drool, is to have an agreement on what is "Fair" as the seller has described this find. "Fair"-ly large pocket book comes to mind. Dreams of "What could Be" follow.
The Gardner to my mind, is one of the best marine engine on the market if not the best. They are prized by commercial fishermen and pleasure marines fortunate to have hulls large enough to accommodate the size.
If you want the sound of confidence a Gardner will provide.
Al

Tad Roberts said:

To make up for yesterday's bad manners....

This was anchored alongside this morning, Cruzeiro Do Sul, almost the definition of "trawler yacht". Heavy, low profile, serious cruiser. William Garden design built 1962 in Argentina, round-bottom steel, 52' by 14'6", twin Perkins power, big bilge keels, pig iron and cement ballast. The owner spent 12 years restoring her in Eastern Washington state, and he did a nice job. I really like the tapered aluminum masts.

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That's some first class boat porn there, boys!

BaltimoreLurker said:

That's some first class boat porn there, boys!

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Yuum! May have to use that as a screen saver.

Dutch Kotter.

Yes, it does have trawler windows!

I like it. The color just seems right somehow.

Moonstruck said:

I like it. The color just seems right somehow.

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If only they made a seagoing version...

manyboats said:

How different is the GB 36 hull from Spray?

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None at all, at least up to 1987. The dimensions are all identical though the arrangement is different. After 87 they added 6" to both length and beam...

Well then if one were to lighten one up a lot the WL would come up far enough so it would actually be very close to a FD hulled boat.

A light engine (or engines) like a Yanmar or similar w a deep reduction along w a significant reduction in tankage and other heavy stuff could reduce her displacement significantly. Her motion would quicken up quite a bit but she may not be as wet any more. Seems to me it would be a better boat if one wanted slow and fuel efficient.

Actually if I had the time and money I'd be tempted to build an 18 or 20' version for a SD OB boat.

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Well then if one were to lighten one up a lot the WL would come up far enough so it would actually be very close to a FD hulled boat.

A light engine (or engines) like a Yanmar or similar w a deep reduction along w a significant reduction in tankage and other heavy stuff could reduce her displacement significantly. Her motion would quicken up quite a bit but she may not be as wet any more. Seems to me it would be a better boat if one wanted slow and fuel efficient.

Actually if I had the time and money I'd be tempted to build an 18 or 20' version for a SD OB boat.

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Eric - Way we work it... Just for S&G's

Wife and I greatly enjoy going slow (5.5 to 6 knots) in our Tolly to where we anchor; getting approx. 2.5 mpg. Where we throw the hook for long R&R weekends. Then we often get into our semi enclosed (canvas top buttoned to windshield) 4 comfortable seat, 14'8", tow behind, fiberglass Crestliner runabout with 50 hp Johnson and we tool around SF Delta at some 20 to 25 mph getting approx. 20 mpg. If we want to go faster she'll hit 35 easy with two and full tanks (12 gal gas); with just pilot and GPS I clocked her at 39 + mph. I imagine at high throttle she's probably getting considerably lower mpg.

What more could we ask for - Don't answer that! LOL :lol:

Happy Boating Daze! - Art

PNW continues to amaze with the availability of true vintage cruising trawlers.

Restored BC Forest Service Boat


Al-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere)-Alaska

Al said:

PNW continues to amaze with the availability of true vintage cruising trawlers.

Restored BC Forest Service Boat


Al-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere)-Alaska

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Man! I really like that boat; MV Wells Gray. Thanks, Al!

Al said:

PNW continues to amaze with the availability of true vintage cruising trawlers.

Restored BC Forest Service Boat


Al-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere)-Alaska

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Nice . These are the ones that touch the heart and soul .I must have been born to late . It must have been something to work along side with those shipwrights in the day .Perfect timing when I logged in this morning with my coffee sitting on the boat . Thanks for posting .

Dutch Built Stella Maris

Here are some photos of a very nice 44' trawler/motorsailer vessel owned by a friend of mine that is for sale up in the Seattle area.

It is a steel hulled Dutch built 44' Stella Maris yacht that even though it does not have a rig on it, reminds me of a motorsailer hull design. It has an inline single 6-cyl diesel engine.

He took it all way up to Alaska and back.