I was referring only to electronics. And I do believe you and we shall except Raymarine from that list. My wife is a dealer for both Raymarine and Furuno. She is happy to sell Furuno because she knows she will never see it again. She cringes when Raymarine goes out the door because she has a sickening feeling that she will see it again....and she usually does. Their out of box failure rate is unusually high. Anyway, blah blah blah. I am sure I am offending everyone with Raymarine. Hell, I have a Pathfinder RL80c on my boat and don't really feel the need to replace it...works fine...but it was made by Raytheon....