For Sale: I like these, Kadey Krogen 42 estate sale

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1984 Kady Krogen 42 Trawler

At $74,900 it won't last long unless she has some serious issues. That's well below market.

My guess is she has a wet hull.

Same boat, different listing. A little more info

Kady Krogen 42 1984

somehing's amiss with the boat or they forgot the "1" in front of the other numbers in the price

True points and no doubt the boat probably has some "issues". But then again it could be fire sale priced by the heirs in order to liquidate the estate ASAP. Not altogether uncommon either.

This appears to be the one I looked at on Kent Island Maryland 2 years ago. If it's the same boat, the hull was reglassed over the core. Boat sat out of the water for several years and "oil canned" while blocked on land.

Ted

With the KK42 the house roof line follows the sheer line and presumably the outside deck. That would presumably transfer to the inside decks so walking fwd would be like climbing a hill. I'm not sure if I would like that unless it was low angle that would not be noticed. An extreme example would be the Lord Nelson Tug Yacht. It reminds me of cartoon images of tugboats w baseball cap wheelhouses. I don't really care for the look of it but it may look even more strange if the entire house was horizontal especially nested within a hull w a steeply ramped up sheer. If I had designed the Lord Nelson I may have considered splitting the slope difference between the outside decks and the inside in the wheelhouse. But I think I've seen boats w a horizontal cabin roof and sloping decks inside. The OB cruiser called a (Swansborough ?) has as I recall has a sweeping fwd sheer w a horizontal cabin roof. I assume that's to maintain headroom as it's a small boat and that the inside floors are probably horizontal for the same reason. This is an element of design not often considered.

Is the KK extreme in this way? I can think of only one more-so on this regard and that's the LN.

Diver you mean "oil canned" as in "hogged keel"? That would be BAD.

I just texted the guy asking if it had hull issues and he said it needed a bottom job.

I guess he meant replace the whole bottom!

manyboats said:

Diver you mean "oil canned" as in "hogged keel"? That would be BAD.

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This really deals more with sections of the hull flexing and stress cracking. In an otherwise proven hull design, this might indicate insufficient layers of glass in a reglassed hull. Hull might be salvageable by simply peeling and reglassing. But then I'm not a hull expert, and have never played one on TV.

Ted

I talked to the owner. She has moisture in the hull coring and soft spots on the fly and foredeck.

I dunno. Seeing an ad with the price scares me. If one bought the boat with say, a resolution that one would spend another 40 K making it right, you'd still end up with a KK 42. But I'd pay for someone who's done a lot of the work, like Osprey Boatworks, MD, to go up there and give me the straight of it. The reconditioning of cored hulls is something they pioneered, KK's included.

Daddyo said:

I talked to the owner. She has moisture in the hull coring and soft spots on the fly and foredeck.

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Nothing to see here folks, move along

healhustler said:

I dunno. Seeing an ad with the price scares me. If one bought the boat with say, a resolution that one would spend another 40 K making it right, you'd still end up with a KK 42. But I'd pay for someone who's done a lot of the work, like Osprey Boatworks, MD, to go up there and give me the straight of it. The reconditioning of cored hulls is something they pioneered, KK's included.

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Everything can be fixed or made better than new for a price. You just have to run the numbers and see if it makes sense for you. 5-15K for soft spots. 20-30K hull to the water line. Above waterline who knows?

Here's a picture of the section removed, recored and reglassed on my boat. The engine vent leaked. Everything was above the waterline

Without even looking at the boat, I'd say its a prime candidate for a refit making the boat as good as new.

Having been through a total refit, I would guess that by the time a good shipyard made the boat to like new condition, new gen, engine, everything you'd still be at or less than 225k and have a brand new boat

That makes it a great deal for a potential new owner with the means to make the boat new again.

Daddyo said:

I talked to the owner. She has moisture in the hull coring and soft spots on the fly and foredeck.

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I had the same response when I spoke with him and he indicted a repair quote of 20k to the water line. Sounded like this was/is a real problem with early PVC cored boats. It's a great boat but can this issue be corrected and does 20 grand sound reasonable? Just not sure this is worth following up on.

The question should be what is the boat worth if the hull issues did not exist?

Answer that question and deduct the purchase price. If the hull can be made right with the difference or less it could be a good buy. Heal hustler mentioned an experienced yard in this thread.

CPseudonym said:

The question should be what is the boat worth if the hull issues did not exist? Answer that question and deduct the purchase price. If the hull can be made right with the difference or less it could be a good buy. Heal hustler mentioned an experienced yard in this thread.

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I understand the economics just concerned about the science of fixing this type of problem. I'm waiting for a call back from Osprey to check on the repair possibilities. Who knows it could be a good deal.

My Krogen is a 1986. Oil canning consists of 4 deflections in the hull shape due to the use of an alternate to the specified PVC coring. It's not structural and does not need to be fixed, but if you do, Washburn's has the technique. Mine had extensive blistering when I bought it, so I had the hull peeled and post-cured using the Hotvac system. Relaminated and nary a blister since the work in about 2003. $25,000 for that work. You can search the site for more details. That is a really good price for a Krogen even of that vintage unless it's been sunk.

Why do the repair?

For most inland cruising the boat should be fine as is?

AFTER the repair , it probably would not be trustworthy to go in blue water with , so why not

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY, and just go?

It always amazes me some people's lack of knowledge on what you can actually do with composite construction. I worked with a very well known highly respected composite aircraft company in the defense industry in the 1980s. They had a prototype aircraft that had a warping wing..and on initial flight testing the aircraft was completely unstable. they literally sawed the wings of of the fuselage one day and worked for 3 days to rebond the wings and move all of the systems. They flew it on the 4th day with completely acceptable results. Composite repairs can be made on some amazingly damaged structures. Wet cord halls are typically more of a problem of weight than with actual structural failure. the boat could probably bought and used and then sold at the same discounted rate with a lot less an initial outlay.. provided one can get insurance on that with a survey.
I've always been a fan of the Krogan yachts think they're great value for the dollar.

Hollywood

There is an old adage at play here: "With my great ideas and your money we can go a long way."

Unless one has a good heated shed and sound mechanical, FRP and composite skills this would not be a project for the faint hearted. If the previous owners let it go to hell this way, what other surprises are lurking?

I've a friend with a similar vintage KK42 wet hull and all. He elected to do as Hollywood suggests, use as is but first dry it out, find out first where the coring is breached, fix it and then party on. The vessel has made several trips from Seattle area to Glacier Bay as is. But, the rest of the vessel was very nice and needed little attention.

How come no one has bought this boat yet? Don't make me do it

Roguewave please buy this thing and save me.

FF said:

Why do the repair?

For most inland cruising the boat should be fine as is?

AFTER the repair , it probably would not be trustworthy to go in blue water with , so why not

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY, and just go?

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I was thinking the same thing FF!!!

I also made an inquiry and believe was told that engine hours were around 11,000 so this may also be driving the price

FF said:

Why do the repair?

For most inland cruising the boat should be fine as is?

AFTER the repair , it probably would not be trustworthy to go in blue water with , so why not

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY, and just go?

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Don't know whether the statement about the repairs will be true or not. But as a very happy Krogen 42 owner my feelings are that a Krogen 42 does not make a very good inland cruiser. Single engine, poor backward visibility, 4' 6" draft and huge fuel tanks are made for long distance open water cruising. There are probably better boats to pick for exclusive use on rivers and the ICW.

Just an opinion

Marty

Bay Pelican said:

Don't know whether the statement about the repairs will be true or not. But as a very happy Krogen 42 owner my feelings are that a Krogen 42 does not make a very good inland cruiser. Single engine, poor backward visibility, 4' 6" draft and huge fuel tanks are made for long distance open water cruising. There are probably better boats to pick for exclusive use on rivers and the ICW.

Just an opinion

Marty

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I think he meant after repairs ....that's all it would be suitable for...

His faith in composites or those who work with them seems to be less than stellar.