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fryedaze

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This was a weekend I will never forget. I screwed up more in 48 hours than I have in 20 years. I came from an industry where we shared our error so others could learn, buts some of this is just embarrassingly stupid.
We left ZYC around 0745 for the Cambridge Belgian Beer Festival. Once out in the bay the steering was sloppy and the auto pilot was snaking the boat up the bay. I decided to press on and run without auto. Steering was loose but was controllable. Two mile from the Cambridge marina I ran aground off Howell point. I was complacent and too involved in compensating for the steering issue. I routinely go outside the markers around the Chesapeake with my 3’3” draft cutting the straight line to my destination. I was pre-occupied with the sloppy steering and I wasn’t looking at my paper charts as I always do. I had the chart plotter on 12 miles and the detail wasn’t there for me to see the bar in the river ¾ mile off the point. I have been up the river about six times in the last four years. When we ran aground at 1230 we had two hours before low tide. We called Boat US and they dispatched out of Kent Narrows and arrived at 1415, we were now in two feet of water all around the boat. The tow pulled on Fryedaze from 1430 to 1900 when the tide finally gave us enough lift to get off. As we were coming off the tow captain call and said he was going to take us to a crawl as we went across what he called “boulders”. I could hear the gear slowly rolling over the stones as we went over the edge of the bar. The tow pulled us up to seven knots to clear any possible debris in the raw water intakes and we started engines and checked things out. Everything looked and sounded OK so we left the tow and proceeded to the marina which we arrived at 2030.
I got up the next day and added about four ounces to the upper helm steering and the steering issue was fixed. The system had a very small leak and it was low and air binding. I checked the sea strainers and found nothing in them. At 0745 we departed and headed down the river. About 15 minutes into our trip the engine temp alarms went off and I immediately shut down the port engine. I bet most of you already know WTF I did wrong. Yep, I didn’t reopen the port through hull and had no raw water for the engine. I opened it, restarted the engine but after 2-3 minutes I didn’t see temps dropping so I shut her down and did some more inspections. I decided to let her cool down and would try later. We ran on single engine down the bay and at about 1230 I tried the port engine again. I put my hand on the raw water pump after about a minute and it was getting warm instead of cold from the 55 degree water, so I shut the engine down and ran home without it. My guess is I wasted the impeller. Once back in port I gave backing the boat into the slip with one engine a try. The wind was blowing a steady 20 kts so I decided I would give it one shot and then fall back to bow first if I didn’t make it. Well bow first it was.
Not sure what happened to my brain this weekend but I sure didn’t bring it along on the boat. I missed drinking a bunch of good beers. Stressed my port engine. Ran up a $2400 tow bill, which I didn’t have to pay due to Boat US insurance, and more than likely caused damage to the running gear on my boat. The captain sure was a bozo this day.
 

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Yikes-ee-momma...thanks for sharing your pain so others may learn. Always a noble thing.

I used to play at rock climbing, and heard stories of people for whatever reason losing track of what they were doing and rappelling right off the end of the ropes into the void...at least you got to live and learn!
 
You're a man of singular courage to share your story. Only two kinda folks out there...those who have, and those who will. Thanks.
 
I don't have Boat US insurance, but do belong to Boat US and have their towing package included in the membership. Would this have covered the tow cost?
 
I don't have Boat US insurance, but do belong to Boat US and have their towing package included in the membership. Would this have covered the tow cost?

We have Boat US Unlimited Gold towing service. I pay $172 a year.
 
Thanks Dave; I was confused, got the Monday Morning haze going on.
Mike
 
I don't have Boat US insurance, but do belong to Boat US and have their towing package included in the membership. Would this have covered the tow cost?

Not likely. That is for "soft" ungroundings. I do not think this would be considered "soft".
 
Not likely. That is for "soft" ungroundings. I do not think this would be considered "soft".

Had to look that one up. It was a soft ungrounding.
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Soft ungroundings are “any operation not involving immediate peril to the boat or to a legally protected marine environment and requiring only one towing vessel with lines attached to the grounded boat to refloat it or to the disabled boat to tow it.”. Basically, it is where the vessel can not move from its position under its own power. For soft ungroundings, your insurance provider would not need to be involved.
 
Had to look that one up. It was a soft ungrounding.
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Soft Ungroundings

Soft ungroundings are “any operation not involving immediate peril to the boat or to a legally protected marine environment and requiring only one towing vessel with lines attached to the grounded boat to refloat it or to the disabled boat to tow it.”. Basically, it is where the vessel can not move from its position under its own power. For soft ungroundings, your insurance provider would not need to be involved.

While you certainly have an argument reference their definition, working for 4.5 hours to get your boat unstuck....I would personally consider it to be hard aground.
 
Could this be considered a salvage operation and involve a claim for 25% of the hull value?
 
Could this be considered a salvage operation and involve a claim for 25% of the hull value?

It would be hard to call it a salvage. Neither boat and crew or environment wast in peril. High tide was at 2045, at which time I would have floated off the bar.
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It would be hard to call it a salvage. Neither boat and crew or environment wast in peril. High tide was at 2045, at which time I would have floated off the bar.
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Not trying to be a Monday-morning quarterback, just curious why you didn't wait for the tide to (gently) float you off? I'm only asking because it seems like it would be a good option, as opposed to dragging it across the bar after the tide had already dropped quite a bit. If it was two hours before low at grounding, she should float free in 4-5 hours, right?
 
fryedaze... you are not alone. I was heading to a nice little anchorage, doing just fine "cutting the corner" as I only draw 3' and for some reason didn't take into consideration a full moon (extra low tide)

Then just to make things less perfect, I forgot that heading into that bayou meant the marker colors changed. Oh, I was doing okay (not bad at least, and not aground) until I spotted that marker and tucked "inside it" and to my consternation ended up aground.

Fortunately the tide was incoming (why does a rising tide take so much longer than a falling one?!) so I could sit there and pretend I'd meant to do this. There were of course a lot of keel marks in the grass so at least I had the comfort of knowing I wasn't the only person who thinks her aft end is smaller than it is!

Thanks your story. Isn't TowBoatUS great? I knew the guy who ran the Fernandina franchise in FL (yes, I had his number in my cell phone, but at least it wasn't on speed dial) -- Rich said he had the best job in the world as every time he showed up people were glad to see him. How great is that?
 
PS....you're not aground until you run out of rum!!!...jus sayin'!!!
 
Dave - Thank you very much for sharing that story of repeat dismay. I sure hope your boat's under belly equip fared well and your heated engine is OK... i.e., not becoming too costly! :facepalm:

I'm going to read parts of this thread to several in my family who simply do not understand why I am so paranoid of shoal waters and do my damnedest to avoid them. :popcorn:

You're a champ for being able to assist other boaters by showing your mistakes... we all make em sometimes... many of us have difficulty coping to em though! Obviously you don't :thumb:
 
Dave,
some day's you wish you stayed in bed..
Hopefully today is better
HOLLYWOOD
 
Whoaaaaa on the salvage, soft groundings and such....

Any tow company that has to work 4+ hours on a tow could have easily called it salvage if you wanted off...peril or not...they could have charged you for it despite being a tow member.

The difference in Sea Tow and Boat US is how the franchise pay is set up. Sea Tow franchises pocket the majority of member dues while Boat US it all goes to their National Org. No Sea Tow franchise owner is gonna let his captain pull on you for 4+ hours...the boat will come, assess and leave it it ain't gonna happen. Boat US franchises will tend to stay many times and pull, because all their time is billed back to their National HQ. So the longer they stay, the more money they make.

Boat US basic membership that covers $50 or so will barely let you get through a phone call to them...you have to get towing insurance if you want to ever be towed/ungrounded for free.

I left at sunset yesterday to unground a 45 foot power cat. The site was about 7 miles away through some long no wake zones....before I left I told my boss that the chances of me getting him off based on his position was not likely, but we go anyway...like most/all franchises. Sure enough, he was hard aground and I would be stuck if I stayed more than a few minutes. The professional captain aboard and I discussed his exit route and by the time was all said and done...we decided that I needed to come back near high tide which was well after midnight.

I went back earlier after studying the tide cycle, pulled him off and across all the sandbars till we were in deep channels leading to a marina. Unfortunately it was shortly after midnight and the ICW bridge was unmanned and we had to reverse course southbound on the ICW several miles...running the unmarked channels (because the USCG pulled the channel buoys for the winter) and headed to the next town south where I got him tied up at a marina.

The whole ordeal as far as boat towing insurance could have stopped back when I showed up and decided he had to wait for the next tide...that's what membership usually covers. A non member would have paid the franchise I work for $700 for me to show up and tell him what I knew when I was safe back on my trawler before ever leaving the dock...ungrounding wasn't gonna happen with the rapidly falling tide. As it turns out...I did the return trip as agreed upon, soft ungrounded the Cat and led him to a safe dock (slightly outside my area of coverage) and the bill to him was zero, as a non member he would have paid $1940.

For all posters...be aware that travelling the NJ ICW after Oct 15th you may encounter areas where navigation buoys are pulled, lights are removed from daymarks and bridges are allowed to close till morning after a given time in the evening...I think it's outrageous!!! There are still local here that need those services let alone any travelers that may have no idea that the government would abandon part of the US intracoastal system...sorta like shutting down bridges, tolls and lights on the US Highway system without notice.
 
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Well, for one I'm grateful that you had the experience and shared it just the way you did, because for a large percent of us that go aground, the circumstances and decisions involved probably wouldn't vary that much (save the difference of a flood tide). I don't think that Capt. Tom understood that you were heading TO BEER instead of FROM BEER which, no doubt, had a great deal of influence on your decision to call for the Tow right away. Just curious thought....did anyone stop by to lend a hand?
 
I don't think that Capt. Tom understood that you were heading TO BEER instead of FROM BEER which, no doubt, had a great deal of influence on your decision to call for the Tow right away.

Yeah Larry, and he nearly made it , too. He was within sight of the beer. He was near one of my favorite anchorages just inside Trappe Creek.
 
"For all posters...be aware that travelling the NJ ICW after Oct 15th you may encounter areas where navigation buoys are pulled, lights are removed from daymarks and bridges are allowed to close till morning after a given time in the evening...I think it's outrageous!!!"

Why on earth would you do that? Surely the buoys are pretty well indestructible once they are in position.

Who is responsible for the overseeing the upkeep of your navigational markers etc. Is it a Federal, State or local responsibility?
 
"For all posters...be aware that travelling the NJ ICW after Oct 15th you may encounter areas where navigation buoys are pulled, lights are removed from daymarks and bridges are allowed to close till morning after a given time in the evening...I think it's outrageous!!!"

Why on earth would you do that? Surely the buoys are pretty well indestructible once they are in position.

Who is responsible for the overseeing the upkeep of your navigational markers etc. Is it a Federal, State or local responsibility?
No actually..buoys are damaged and lost all the time without ice dragging them to who knows where...also the lights atop steel daymarks are damages from the vibration of moving ice past the poles...my gripe is ice is at least 2 months away and there's still a lot of boating activity including commercial traffic.

The USCG maintains buoys, day mark lights and is responsible for making sure bridges spanning navigable waterways meet their requirements..

People laugh when I tell them the USCG at the national level really doesn't care about or understand the recreational boater...

You tell me...based on letting people run aground due to lack of buoys and getting stuck with no real good anchorages and marinas in some places to spend the night because they are trapped by bridges or the ICW is too shallow to navigate...do they really care about us?
 
I'm going to read parts of this thread to several in my family who simply do not understand why I am so paranoid of shoal waters and do my damnedest to avoid them.
I'm going to follow Art's lead and do the same thing. I'm tired of hearing "why do we always go to the out side of the 5mph buoy when it's so much closer to go towards the beach?" :blush:
 
Whoaaaaa on the salvage, soft groundings and such....

Any tow company that has to work 4+ hours on a tow could have easily called it salvage if you wanted off...peril or not...they could have charged you for it despite being a tow member.

The difference in Sea Tow and Boat US is how the franchise pay is set up. Sea Tow franchises pocket the majority of member dues while Boat US it all goes to their National Org. No Sea Tow franchise owner is gonna let his captain pull on you for 4+ hours...the boat will come, assess and leave it it ain't gonna happen. Boat US franchises will tend to stay many times and pull, because all their time is billed back to their National HQ. So the longer they stay, the more money they make.

Sounds like Boat US is much better deal for boat owner... correct??
 
Not trying to be a Monday-morning quarterback, just curious why you didn't wait for the tide to (gently) float you off? I'm only asking because it seems like it would be a good option, as opposed to dragging it across the bar after the tide had already dropped quite a bit. If it was two hours before low at grounding, she should float free in 4-5 hours, right?

Good comment CaptTom. Here are the variables that went into the decision. The predicted high tide was 2047. Tides are 1.5 to 2 feet so I would need all the tide change and MAYBE could get off. With daylight savings it was dark at 1700 so it would be very dark when I would have a chance to try to get off myself. The wind was blowing 10-15 kts and would drive me toward the point unless I set an anchor. That fact was the real tie breaker. I didnt know about the rock until the last minute. Most of the bottom here is mud. I could see the bottom all around the boat and it was mud and oyster shells.

He only had to pull me about 30 yards before I had a foot under the keel.
 
Sounds like Boat US is much better deal for boat owner... correct??
Not really...they don't have the National, franchise, captain all making sure the other is taking the best care of the customer...Sea Tow is a model of checks and balances.

A good example in my area...

Boat US Guys complain that Sea Tow Guys don't want to go out and assist customers that are in trouble...they think that Sea Tow while dispatching their boats but still trying to get the boat owner to try a few thing to get running again is shirking their responsibility...is it? If Sea Tow talks you through getting your boat running again before their boat gets there..everyone goes away happy. If you have to wait for the boat US Boat that's getting paid by the hour from national HQ...who wins there? Behind the scenes is a little complicated and personality driven so I am speaking in a gross generality frame.

I'm not saying all of it applies to every franchise..but the Sea Tow model more closely resembles real insurance...pockets membership money if not needed, helps you avoid claims though service and education (like Boat US)..and give good service when really needed. Boat US franchises only make monety when their boats are underway so it's really in their best interest if you DO break down.

Hey there's greats and pirates on both side in some areas..most are just good small businessmen and decent captains all trying to do a good job...so both are only as good as the guy who comes out to help.

I think both organizations are grssly misunderstood by the average boater as well as the difference between assistance and salvage...both companies try to explain it on their web sites for those that are interested.

In the long run...between both companies and the USCG...in some areas...if you get into trouble...you are fortunate that there's that many resources headed your way!
 
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Good comment CaptTom. Here are the variables that went into the decision. The predicted high tide was 2047. Tides are 1.5 to 2 feet so I would need all the tide change and MAYBE could get off. With daylight savings it was dark at 1700 so it would be very dark when I would have a chance to try to get off myself. The wind was blowing 10-15 kts and would drive me toward the point unless I set an anchor. That fact was the real tie breaker. I didnt know about the rock until the last minute. Most of the bottom here is mud. I could see the bottom all around the boat and it was mud and oyster shells.

He only had to pull me about 30 yards before I had a foot under the keel.

Not sure if that franchise will do it...but like in my one post...you can request the guy come back when the tide IS higher and pull and lead you to safe water, marina or home slip if possible. Some places may not do it..but the two owners I have worked for would do any of what I mentioned to make a customer happy.
 
Thanks for starting this thread, Dave. Many of us have been there, felt that anguish, banged our heads and wonder why we even took the boat out that day! But the great boating experiences over the next weeks and months remind you why you do this!

Hopefully you got by with just an impeller and a tow delay. Please keep us posted.
 

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