Hull Shapes----Show us your girl's bottom
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Hey, that's a curvy lady. I know nothing about the Cuddles 30, but searched for whatever I could when your Avatar first appeared. Very nice boat. I wonder how Eric feels about the round port window.
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I like the boat a lot .. but you guessed it .. not the round port.
Actually the hull is a bit hard to see w the black paint and underexposure but it looks just about exactly like the Willard except that not as deep. Probably not as heavy. Willy draws 3.5' and is 8 tons. Often to most of the time I wish she was half way in between the Albin 25 and the W-30. And that looks to be what a Cuddles is.
I worked up some pics of the before and after of my "port" window in my aft bulkhead door. In my opinion the original round port looked absolutely stupid. And my visibility aft was not good either. Could hardly wait to get rid of it.
The Cuddles should be more stable feeling and a bit more easily driven w her considerably less wetted surface. And obviously having more room inside. And perhaps aft too. The roll will be quicker and the landing into a head sea will be more abrupt. Willy looks better I think but w the right equipment on board I'd trade mostly to get the wide body. I'd trade for a W-30 Voyager first though and the boat I really want is a Nordic Tug 32.
Actually the hull is a bit hard to see w the black paint and underexposure but it looks just about exactly like the Willard except that not as deep. Probably not as heavy. Willy draws 3.5' and is 8 tons. Often to most of the time I wish she was half way in between the Albin 25 and the W-30. And that looks to be what a Cuddles is.
I worked up some pics of the before and after of my "port" window in my aft bulkhead door. In my opinion the original round port looked absolutely stupid. And my visibility aft was not good either. Could hardly wait to get rid of it.
The Cuddles should be more stable feeling and a bit more easily driven w her considerably less wetted surface. And obviously having more room inside. And perhaps aft too. The roll will be quicker and the landing into a head sea will be more abrupt. Willy looks better I think but w the right equipment on board I'd trade mostly to get the wide body. I'd trade for a W-30 Voyager first though and the boat I really want is a Nordic Tug 32.
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A curvy bottom deserves a curvy port window.
HH - the Cuddles are an Aussie boat built in the early 80's based on a Norwegian design. They built a 30ft and a 35ft "Resort" version, although this may be the only one which was fitted out as a motor sailor.
Hard to get much information on them but, but I found an old newspaper article featuring what appears to be this boat, which was shown in 1984 Sydney Boat show. The company shut down production shortly after.
I'm just beginning to realize that I fluked upon a great little boat.
HH - the Cuddles are an Aussie boat built in the early 80's based on a Norwegian design. They built a 30ft and a 35ft "Resort" version, although this may be the only one which was fitted out as a motor sailor.
Hard to get much information on them but, but I found an old newspaper article featuring what appears to be this boat, which was shown in 1984 Sydney Boat show. The company shut down production shortly after.
I'm just beginning to realize that I fluked upon a great little boat.
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Thank you Walt.
Cuddles looks a bit deeper now and I think the overall shape of the hull is more similar to the W-36 ... my favorite Willard hull designed by William Garden. See Island Seeker (post 124) by Brooksie. The W-36 is more shipy both in hull and cabin. Her angle of entry is much wider and her disp per foot is (I'll guess) much higher. Wish Willard had made a 32' version of the 36. But the W-30 is still the best looking both fore and aft.
AusCan,
You did indeed " fluke upon a great little boat." I think the reason you see the round port here and there is that it is perceived as being more nautical. And I'll say that your round port looks much better than mine did.
I may recall the Norwegian boat of origin .... was it lapstrake in design? Seems to me a great many Dutch, Norwegian and Swedish boats had the very same general look as your Cuddles. Does the stem aft have a reverse rake? Many many Dutch boats did. Not sure why.
Brooksie,
Are you presently using your 5 bladed prop? Do you think it's smooth? Mine wasn't.
Cuddles looks a bit deeper now and I think the overall shape of the hull is more similar to the W-36 ... my favorite Willard hull designed by William Garden. See Island Seeker (post 124) by Brooksie. The W-36 is more shipy both in hull and cabin. Her angle of entry is much wider and her disp per foot is (I'll guess) much higher. Wish Willard had made a 32' version of the 36. But the W-30 is still the best looking both fore and aft.
AusCan,
You did indeed " fluke upon a great little boat." I think the reason you see the round port here and there is that it is perceived as being more nautical. And I'll say that your round port looks much better than mine did.
I may recall the Norwegian boat of origin .... was it lapstrake in design? Seems to me a great many Dutch, Norwegian and Swedish boats had the very same general look as your Cuddles. Does the stem aft have a reverse rake? Many many Dutch boats did. Not sure why.
Brooksie,
Are you presently using your 5 bladed prop? Do you think it's smooth? Mine wasn't.
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Eric - I never did find out exactly what Norwegian bat it originated from.
The cuddles draws 3ft 2" and weighs in at about 7 1/2 tons, so perhaps its not quite as deep as the Willard.
Ahhh - so many nice butts on this thread.
The cuddles draws 3ft 2" and weighs in at about 7 1/2 tons, so perhaps its not quite as deep as the Willard.
Ahhh - so many nice butts on this thread.
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AusCan,
Glad you posted that .... much closer than I thought.
fosborne,
Yes and I'm flattered you think so. I agree and consider the two boats to have much in common. In many ways the N-46 is a great big W-30. One thing they share that I don't like is their very raked stem. With a stem near vertical both boats would not suffer from the increased wetted surface but would be better off w the longer WLL. To the extent that less power would probably be required for much the same reasons as a bulbous bow. Wouldn't turn as quick though. More directional stability would also result but the Willard seems not to be in need there.
Glad you posted that .... much closer than I thought.
fosborne,
Yes and I'm flattered you think so. I agree and consider the two boats to have much in common. In many ways the N-46 is a great big W-30. One thing they share that I don't like is their very raked stem. With a stem near vertical both boats would not suffer from the increased wetted surface but would be better off w the longer WLL. To the extent that less power would probably be required for much the same reasons as a bulbous bow. Wouldn't turn as quick though. More directional stability would also result but the Willard seems not to be in need there.
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As you can see full planing, high speed hull, not.
Very sail boatish without the drought.
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Scott,
I wouldn't call her "sailboatish" at all. Full displacement to be sure and probably the most efficient boat here on the forum. Firefly has a very slippery hull. She's a looker too.
Island Eagle w her much higher displacement and high buttock line angle (angle of the rake of the stern) is also very much a full displacement craft. Neither boat is more or less a full disp craft but Firefly is considerably more efficient.
Island Eagle,
I have a 5 bladed prop like yours (much smaller of course(19"dia)) and it isn't as smooth as any of the 3 blade props I've used (3 I think). Any ideas as to why that is?
I wouldn't call her "sailboatish" at all. Full displacement to be sure and probably the most efficient boat here on the forum. Firefly has a very slippery hull. She's a looker too.
Island Eagle w her much higher displacement and high buttock line angle (angle of the rake of the stern) is also very much a full displacement craft. Neither boat is more or less a full disp craft but Firefly is considerably more efficient.
Island Eagle,
I have a 5 bladed prop like yours (much smaller of course(19"dia)) and it isn't as smooth as any of the 3 blade props I've used (3 I think). Any ideas as to why that is?
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My 13 year old daughter was looking over my shoulder and saw the photos of Willy. She loves it and she would consider trading Northern Spy for your boat. I really like the Voyager myself.
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Spy,
You're 26 NT is probably worth considerably more than Willy but I want the 32 anyway. Yes the Voyager is best but it has a small cockpit. Fact is I've put so much new stuff including fuel tanks and engine I couldn't afford to sell her.
Why do so many guys paint their boat bottoms black? A guy in Craig AK said black bottoms don't foul as easily. Can't buy that.
You're 26 NT is probably worth considerably more than Willy but I want the 32 anyway. Yes the Voyager is best but it has a small cockpit. Fact is I've put so much new stuff including fuel tanks and engine I couldn't afford to sell her.
Why do so many guys paint their boat bottoms black? A guy in Craig AK said black bottoms don't foul as easily. Can't buy that.
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Hmmm. The square window you did on your aft door is definitely an improvement, Eric. Have you seen other 30 owners following suit?
Scott: Firefly is one of my favorites. I knew the hull was efficient but have you kept track of your GPH?
Legend has it that black bottoms are more prone to whale strikes than any other color.
I hear white bottoms attract mermaid and yellow makes dolphin smile!
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Barnacles love my black bum and I am yet to run down a whale.
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Legend has it that black bottoms are more prone to whale strikes than any other color.
Another legend/myth is that dark bottoms or hulls scare away salmon as they think they are Orca.
Hmmmm....which could explain away whale strikes as casual trysts of the oops variety.
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Thank you for the complement, we feel very lucky to be owned by her.
We cruse at 1450 RPM and with no wind or current and clean bottom that's 7.2 mph and right at 1.4 GPH.
Ford/Sabre (Dorset) 135hp, prop is 22x17-4
The jump to light-speed (hull speed 8.1 knts) is at 2050 rpm but by then we are using Thilsum in the reactor drive and as you know it's measured in grams.
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Seems to me most all bottoms were red in the past and then I always wore white shorts. My shorts aren't all white now and I've had one boat w a blue bottom (the whole boat had blue trim) and my aluminum skiff has a black bottom. I think the skiff got the black because we were in Alaska and that was all that was left at the store (NAPA).
Generally speaking I don't see why anyone would actually want a color other than red but Boomerang looks great in green. It's related to the black topsides .. I think.
I've had two whale strikes wearing red bottom paint. One a kiss and the other a slam dunk so I really don't think whales are color sensitive and it's quite possible they have very poor eyesight.
One theory about antifouling properties of mine is that dark colors no doubt reflect much less light just like a white room in a house will be much brighter than the same room painted dark green. When in covered moorage the sunny side/end of the boat will have considerably more growth on the hull than the shaded side. Perhaps dark bottom paints are better as they don't reflect as much light. But then reflected light may have nothing to do w fowling and only to do w direct light.
If the above was true one would think it would be common knowledge and all bottom paint would be black.
I'll stick w red and light colors for topsides.
Generally speaking I don't see why anyone would actually want a color other than red but Boomerang looks great in green. It's related to the black topsides .. I think.
I've had two whale strikes wearing red bottom paint. One a kiss and the other a slam dunk so I really don't think whales are color sensitive and it's quite possible they have very poor eyesight.
One theory about antifouling properties of mine is that dark colors no doubt reflect much less light just like a white room in a house will be much brighter than the same room painted dark green. When in covered moorage the sunny side/end of the boat will have considerably more growth on the hull than the shaded side. Perhaps dark bottom paints are better as they don't reflect as much light. But then reflected light may have nothing to do w fowling and only to do w direct light.
If the above was true one would think it would be common knowledge and all bottom paint would be black.
I'll stick w red and light colors for topsides.
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LarryM,
Although I'd rather see Boomerang in Awlgrip white and matching cabin, She looks stunning in her black topsides and dark green bottom. Just a very tasteful combination I suspect. At any rate she's more beautiful than Willy will ever be and it's a shame your'e going to have to put that nice bottom out of sight.
Wow that Fortress anchor looks dangerously sharp in the picture.
Thank's for the Bertram 31 post. I react to that boat like girls reacted to Elvis in the 50s.
Although I'd rather see Boomerang in Awlgrip white and matching cabin, She looks stunning in her black topsides and dark green bottom. Just a very tasteful combination I suspect. At any rate she's more beautiful than Willy will ever be and it's a shame your'e going to have to put that nice bottom out of sight.
Wow that Fortress anchor looks dangerously sharp in the picture.
Thank's for the Bertram 31 post. I react to that boat like girls reacted to Elvis in the 50s.
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Don't recall a "real" boat that didn't have a red bottom.
Didn't have the imagination to choose a different color for the Coot.
Still, red is the default color.
Didn't have the imagination to choose a different color for the Coot.
Still, red is the default color.
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