Interesting boats

What an engine- I looked it up and came across this info:
"The Cleveland Diesel Model 278A was extensively applied in U. S. Navy vessels, including late wartime production of fleet submarines, destroyer escorts, fleet tugs, auxiliary tugs, harbor tugs, and amphibious warfare vessels including some LSTs. It was also a popular engine in the early postwar years for use in commercial tugboats and railroad tugs."

A link to the source-

Tugboat Enthusiasts Society

In 1960 I worked in a Powerhouse at a mine in western AK that had a straight eight 268A. The blower was on the front of the engine. We ran it for one day that season .. yup .. Scream'in Jimmy. My father had a 103' packer (ex Navy craft) also w the 268A 8 cyl rated at 500hp.

In the powerhouse we also had 2 locomotive engines (800hp each) and an 8 cylinder Enterprise .. turbocharged. The Enterprise was new and state of the art for 1960. I was 20 years old.

No pics. My camera then was a Kodak Brownie "Hawkeye" box camera that took 620 roll film.

OFB said:

Starfire is a Bill Garden design buit by Philbrooks. She is located here at the marina currently. Twin 12 71 NA. Too much boat for the likes of me but I am in love.

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I would love to see the interior of this one.

Tad Roberts said:

And Bill's boat on the trailer.....

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Is that a North Sea (transverse) wet exhaust on this boat?

More pictures please Tad, before it turns into the ugly boat thread...

Bulls Cruisers

I spent many years of my life happily on the Gippsland Lakes in Victoria Australia. I always lusted after but could never afford, a 'Bulls Cruiser' a 36ft beamy vessel created specifically as a 'hire boat' on the lakes and built in the Bulls shipyard in Paynesville.

They were built in the 50's I believe and had old, used, London taxi 4 cyl Blaxland engines. The hulls were built of inch and a half (YEP !) red gum timber (one of the densest timbers in the world) specifically because they knew drunks would end up ramming them into jetties...;-)

I was in love with them mainly for the simplicity of their design and the beautiful use of wood inside...and they are still one of the best laid out and roomiest boats of the size I have ever seen. Unfortunately a lot of pictures I took of them in person died with an external hard drive a while back but I have a couple of the exterior...

Craig,
There was an article in Wood Boat Magazine about boats just about exactly like your "Bulls Cruiser". They were basically big water taxi's on big lakes.

Clearly a very interesting boat.

1934 Millers (Scotland). Live-Aboard conversion with Gardner 6LB Diesel, reportedly sold for 1000 pounds Sterling. Blog says she was still coded up to a couple of years ago.

How about this one? The masts belong to boats in back of her

So does the keel!

AusCan said:

So does the keel!

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Are you sure about that?

I know it is attached to the boat in front, but it looks like it belongs to a sailboat. Lot of prop protection though.

I assume the whole boat is original except the FB. Is that correct? This is a little like what I was going to do before I bought Willy. Trawlers seemed more like a party barge and sailboats were ...... well .. sailboats. Sailboats weren't barges but they had all that silly sail stuff on'em.

SO .......
I was going to take most of the keel (and most or all the ballast) off, .. and lengthen the keel (more like a trawler). Take ALL the cabin off along w ALL the silly sails, masts and rigg'in. Put the engine amidships and redeck and build cabins just about like the Nordic Tug.

Too much work. Wouldda been great though. A roomy 35' trawler w the power and fuel consumption of my Willy. OK not quite but very close.

That's the way to have a big FB like the boat Steve posted though.

Keith Olive had a Willard kinda like this. A sailboat keel and a big FB.

This was taken in New Orleans it is a sailboat mast removed and a "pilot house" or cabin built on to the hull, then a FB I am sure from a wrecked boat left over from Hurricane Katrina mounted on top of it all. There were hundreds of boats pushed up into corners of several marinas in the N.O. area below are a few still being picked up in 2007 two years after the storm.

Steve said:

How about this one? The masts belong to boats in back of her

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You know Steve, when I look at both photos you provided, I'd say that the keel and one mast belong to the flybridge equipped...uh, whatever you'd call it.

My initial thought was that it was a Schucker, which has a very similar looking model, but I don't believe it is one.

Conrad, I see you are absolutely correct, it's clear in this angle. I wonder what he does for a main, maybe only uses a jib downwind?

Steve said:

Conrad, I see you are absolutely correct, it's clear in this angle. I wonder what he does for a main, maybe only uses a jib downwind?

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That's a Lancer, probably a 44', built in California in the 1980's. Lancer Yachts

Lancer was a company started by Dick Valdez after he sold Columbia Yachts. They built an extensive line of motorsailers, sailing cruisers and one notable racer/cruiser designed by Bill Lee. The rest were all designed by a guy named Herb David, who later did some big trawler yachts in Taiwan. The motorsailers were wide and flat-bottomed, often with big twin diesels, to power at 12mph or so. The flying bridge versions had a boomless main that sheeted to the backstays.

Tad Roberts said:

That's a Lancer, probably a 44', built in California in the 1980's. Lancer Yachts

Lancer was a company started by Dick Valdez after he sold Columbia Yachts. They built an extensive line of motorsailers, sailing cruisers and one notable racer/cruiser designed by Bill Lee. The rest were all designed by a guy named Herb David, who later did some big trawler yachts in Taiwan. The motorsailers were wide and flat-bottomed, often with big twin diesels, to power at 12mph or so. The flying bridge versions had a boomless main that sheeted to the backstays.

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A Lancer, of course - I'd forgotten about them. Didn't they build sailboats in the 25 - 30 foot range that you could put a huge outboard on and reach 20 knots? At least that is what my so called memory is saying. Obviously a centre board or dagger board would be involved.

Conrad said:

A Lancer, ... Didn't they build sailboats in the 25 - 30 foot range that you could put a huge outboard on and reach 20 knots?

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Holy crap. Can you imagine cruising along and some blow-boat flies by you at 20 knots?! That really is an interesting boat.

healhustler said:

Holy crap. Can you imagine cruising along and some blow-boat flies by you at 20 knots?! That really is an interesting boat.

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Like the Macgregor 26 sail boat / power boat. Water ballast. The first time one passes you pulling a water skier , with mast up , gets you ta thinking. when you be in the 7 knot boat.

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Are you sure about that?

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This looks like an old motor sailor that was built by Dick Valdez many years ago. I can't remember the name of the boat but one of those masts looks like hers! I believe it was called a Lancer Motor Sailor.

Another individual statement

Here's an individual solution to the endless search for a vessel that exactly suits your requirements.
I particularly like the beefy tiller.

Eric, Been messing around attempting to post photos so here is the effort. These are of the former boat 'Tenacious' which you have been kind enough to pose on this thread. It is in fact a very interesting conversion. The new owner is content.
Al Johnson-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere) Alaska

The boat



the dining table seating area


The quarter bunks on each side below the dining table.

The galley on deck in the pilot house



The oil heating stove set in tile.

Wow! boy now I can see why you folks post photos! Let me contribute. Below is an old Lake Union, Wash. photo of a then fairly new yacht "Avarilla". Then following she is pictured as she is currently in Ketchikan and has been for many years. Sadly she is in disrepair, yet she is for sale to some enterprising soul with a vast fortune.

Al Johnson-Ketchikan(Bridge to Nowhere)



Averilla, a gasoline powered boat, and Principia, a diesel powered yacht, in the harbor near Jensen Motor Boat Company, Seattle, n.d.
TitleAverilla, a gasoline powered boat, and Principia, a diesel powered yacht, in the harbor near Jensen Motor Boat Company, Seattle, n.d. PhotographerUnknown Daten.d. CommentsThe Averilla was built by Jensen Motor Boat Company for a Seattle Yacht Club member whose surname was Averill. Principia was built at Lake Union Drydock for Mr. Macumber and designed by L. E. Geary [Puget Sound Maritime Historical Society Note].

Sign in image: Jensen Motor Boat Co.

On side of boat in image: Averilla, Seattle.

Stamped on verso: Williamson's Marine Photo Shop, If it floats, we photograph it! 107 Colman Dock, EL 3533, Seattle 1, WN., Credit Line: 'Photo by Joe Williamson.' RigGasoline screw propeller (Averilla), Diesel screw propeller (Principia) UsePleasure People/PlacesSeattle (Wash.) SubjectsMotorboats--Washington (State)--Seattle
Yachts--Washington (State)--Seattle

By the way, the Principia is still, as far as I recall, as pretty as she is in this above photo. If any PNW residents reading here would, confirm her status. When I was a boy, she would cruise local waters.
Thanks
Al Johnson-Ketchikan

Attempted to submit a short historic history regarding American Marine and Grandbanks to include the boat "Spray" which was the first commissioned boat for American Marine production. Following is the PDF or what ever. You will note immediately the historian roots of the "Spray" in the "Tenacious" pictured above. The Tenacious was build as the "Imp" in 1960 on Lake Union.WA.
Now again Good Night- Having too much fun here.
Al Johnson-Ketchikan (Bridge to Nowhere) Alaska


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=3AnWMIhOJqFHjmW9wd35_g&bvm=bv.47380653,d.cGE

Al re your post #353 the lower picture. I snapped that boat recently and have posted a pic here on TF (post #12 on page 1). I had once thought Tenacious was a burned out GB w a new house on the old hull.
Averilla I've seen and she will probably not be saved. Building a new boat could be easier. Most boats like her become liveaboards for near penniless people in Alaska until the local harbormaster is too nervous to let them stay tied to the float.

Since we were talking about round ports or windows heres an interesting boat I saw in Craig. Hell bent for water tight integrity.

This one arrived at the marina today. Had to post it for Reuben's sake of course!

I don't know how old it is (there was an article on it in PMM a number of years ago) but it looks brand new.

That boat Teddi Bear seems to have inspired at least this cruise-ship company.

I was down at Fisherman's Terminal helping a friend with his boat Saturday and came across these two "baby" trawlers! Each about 15-16' long. The newer looking one was actually a very nice little boat.

The newer one looks like a Ranger Tug 21. Nice little boats. The company now makes tugs at 21, 25, 27, 29, and 31 feet.