Interesting boats

manyboats said:

Look at all the "stuff" and it looks like it all gets used.

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Holy smokes. I bet it didn't get that way overnight either. All kinds of equipment stored "functionally and neatly" is a real turn-on for me. Keeping with the theme of the boat, I think even the swim platform is a well done, civil addition to that transom. Eric....youz guyz up there in the PNW don't know how lucky you are to be where boats are so diverse and interesting. I look forward to our move in July over to the Gulf Coast of Florida where lots of cruisers make the marinas at least palatable.

Tad, do you run across many boats built at the Jesperson yard? I had the pleasure of meeting Eric Jesperson many years ago up at Whistler.
Jack Tar has always been a favorite. She anchored near us at Sydney Spit 2 years ago and is even more beautiful close up.

Max Simmons said:

Tad, do you run across many boats built at the Jesperson yard? I had the pleasure of meeting Eric Jesperson many years ago up at Whistler.
Jack Tar has always been a favorite. She anchored near us at Sydney Spit 2 years ago and is even more beautiful close up.

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I'd forgotten about Jesperson beauties... long time since seeing one. Thanks for posting photos.

Just look at the flared prow on her bow!! That baby will take some steep seas and come through unharmed.

Late 1960's I was in real rough water off Mass with similar designed flaired prow bow on a 40' semi planing hull... nice to handle, rides up well on steep waves!

Interesting boat indeed Max.

She's riding too level. Must be riding hard on her trim tabs or bow heavy.

Very very nice boat though.

Custom boats designed by a good architect are usually exciting.

manyboats said:

Conrad .... thanks .. I think. Now I don't like her so much w that swooped up bow and highly raked cabin roof. The decks inside must match. No thanks but she's still a beautiful boat.

Max,
I've read other things that indicate there must be a sort of community of Garden followers. Great designer to follow to be sure. He lived/lives in the Gulf Islands somewhere as I recall. Is he still with us?

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The Eagle is sway back with a rising high bow, but the floors are level. However as you go forward the floors level/height increases. The hall way is level, but the master stateroom as you step through the door is about 3” higher, then toward the front of the master bed room there is a small are the increase about 6” and stepping into the master bath increases about 2”. You do not really notice as you have to step through the door but the ceiling hieght does match the deck hieght.

Keeping a older wood trim boat in the PNW moored an open slip takes a lot of work and dedication to keep in bristol condition as there is only 2 month of nice weather per year. Its almost the first of June and its been raining almost everyday. Most have taken down the winter traps/canvas but to start painting/staining/varnishing/oiling is a waster of time as its still to wet/damp. This time of year boats look their worse but by end of August they will have a new coat just in time to be covered back up for the winter. Working on the boat any day beats working on the dirt.

manyboats said:

Interesting boat indeed Max.

She's riding too level. Must be riding hard on her trim tabs or bow heavy.

Very very nice boat though.

Custom boats designed by a good architect are usually exciting.

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Eric

Not that trim tabs for sure don't have a part in the attitude of this hull to water surface... But, back when trim tabs were not used much at all...That's the angle-to-water a well designed planing or semi-planing hull rode when weight was distributed correctly and their traveling at considerable speed.

Boats whose hull/distributed-weight designs lend to bow in the air and ass deep in the water are inefficiently pushing water with their rear 1/3 bottom surface rather than simply "skimming" across top of water... such as this beaut pictured here appears to be doing... in a fine manor I might ad!

Here's another view of Tar Baby, a Garden/Greg Marshall design. Her bow is just a hair too exagerated for my taste, but generally a really nice boat with superb vis from the pilothouse.....



I recall a story about Summer Star making a trip to Hawaii many years ago, a serious cruiser. Built I think by Phil Barron in Victoria, could be based on a Monk design.

Here's another interesting boat, the 42' by 7' Nathan Smith designed Blakely Commuter.

Tad (or anyone), any chance you would have a photo of Garden's 60+ foot "trawler" that only had about a 4 foot beam?

the Jack Tar picture page highlighting the boats images

Here's a link to their site w/int pics. I love the clean spartan look.

Conrad said:

Tad (or anyone), any chance you would have a photo of Garden's 60+ foot "trawler" that only had about a 4 foot beam?

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I'll guess you are talking about Tlingit, 62' by 7'6". 10 knots cruising speed with a 3 cylinder Easthope gas engine......

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Im crazy about this boat!!

Review: Garcia Yachting's GT54 "Le Trawler" - YachtForums.Com

Currently for sale for 1.650.000 which is about 1.649.999$ out of my league

Tad Roberts said:

I'll guess you are talking about Tlingit, 62' by 7'6". 10 knots cruising speed with a 3 cylinder Easthope gas engine......

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That's the one. At least 7'6" is a bit more reasonable than my memory fueled 4'.

Thanks Tad!

Tad Roberts said:

I'll guess you are talking about Tlingit, 62' by 7'6". 10 knots cruising speed with a 3 cylinder Easthope gas engine......

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Tad - You know gph or nmpg at 10 knots?

Tad Roberts said:

I'll guess you are talking about Tlingit, 62' by 7'6". 10 knots cruising speed with a 3 cylinder Easthope gas engine......

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I wonder what Reuben Trane would think of this as a candidate for electric motivation?

TAD that's really strange. In the cross section dwg it shows her hull below the water line but in the side view the hull under water disappears.

Easthope? I thought they were all one cylinder. I've heard one lungers pounding the bottom of a boat from quite far off. Dreadful things. I can see one running one on a concrete foundation in a barn but it seems uncivilized to put one in a boat .... and then start it up.

No doubt though ... interesting boats. Thanks.

Conrad said:

I wonder what Reuben Trane would think of this as a candidate for electric motivation?

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Seriously, I think as a platform for a solar hybrid, he'd probably be more interested in two of them tied together. For space, economy and practicality, it's hard to beat a multi-hull for the solar panel space, although I find very few of them "interesting".

healhustler said:

Seriously, I think as a platform for a solar hybrid, he'd probably be more interested in two of them tied together. For space, economy and practicality, it's hard to beat a multi-hull for the solar panel space, although I find very few of them "interesting".

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Agree on every count, especially the "interesting" part.

I mentioned this one as Reuben had expressed interest (no quotes!) in the Scout 30 being a candidate.

As an aside, this afternoon I watched a trimaran (sail) being lifted in a Travelift. Now THAT is a precarious affair at best!

I think you'll agree that this boat is interesting. It's one of the few commercial fishing boats that are converted sailboats. Offshore trollers like the wonderful stability and general seaworthyness of sizable sailboats.

I clicked this picture of this boat about an hour NW of Craig AK from Willy en route to Craig.

It is my understanding that Tingit was designed around her motor that the owner had on hand. Of course, she is a good candidate for electric propulsion. And as noted, not one for solar. A more recent similar boat is Arthur Martin's Energy 48 - an outgrowth of their Appledore Pod rowing shell. Those sorts of length/beam ratios can't help but be efficient.

In the 80s, Easthope was producing motors (or another company using the original patters). I built a motor launch using one of their one-lungers installed in the middle of one of my Marsh Hen hulls. It was a very stately way to motor leisurely on Biscayne Bay viewing Christo's Pink Islands. I don't recall excessive vibration. We did start by swinging the flywheel by hand. Could count the RPMs by eye. No transmission - so once started we were underway. A wonderful piece of machinery. We named the boat, "Queen Hen" after the African Queen.

I have tracked down some performance figures for the Scout 30 and. Her motor, Volvo 2003T to see what performance with electric propulsion might be.

Must have been a fairly recent picture of the Ullysses. I removed the fwd. mast/crows nest last month.

m/v ulysses romsdahl

Saw the pic. of Ulysses. Must be a new pic because it does not show the mast/crows nest which I removed last month.

This boat entered Eco Cove not long after we arrived. Looks more like a boat you'd see in Maine.

manyboats said:

Easthope? I thought they were all one cylinder. I've heard one lungers pounding the bottom of a boat from quite far off. Dreadful things. I can see one running one on a concrete foundation in a barn but it seems uncivilized to put one in a boat .... and then start it up.

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Easthope built engines in Vancouver from 1900 into the 1980's. The business actually started in 1897 but at first they built bicycles. At first they built 2-cycle motors, and then in 1910 started making 4-cycles using Ford pistons, connecting rods, and valves. They built various sizes but the first ones were 3.75" bore using Model T parts. These were made in single, twin, and three cylinder models. The twin was called the 8-12, a bigger one was the 15-18, and they claimed the 3 cylinder was 30HP. Later they built 4 and 5 cylinder versions.

Easthopes were pretty smooth because they balanced the engines after assembly, this was part of the reason they were popular with trollers. The competition, American built Hicks and Frisbee, and Vancouver built Vivians, were all unbalanced. Nothing was as smooth as the Easthope until the Chrysler Crown came along after 1950.

With RPM limited to a max of 550, they were smoother and quieter than a current Yanmar diesel of similar power. Very comfortable to hear a bunch of Easthopes start up at 4:00 in the morning, just quiet tock-tock-tock.....none of this whining bow thrusters and rumbling diesels......

Here's the Energy 48 mentioned above by Rueben. Designed and built by Arthur Martin, 48' by 8'3" and around 10,000 pounds loaded. Power is a Westerbeke 30HP turning a 15" by 12" three-bladed prop through 2:1 reduction. Top speed is 12mph and the 70 gallon tank gives a cruising range of 1000 miles.

manyboats said:

This boat entered Eco Cove not long after we arrived. Looks more like a boat you'd see in Maine.

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That's Joshua, owned by my friend Bill Harpster. She is a close copy of Slocum's Spray and winter's these days in Anacortes. He's in his 70's, only has one real leg, and singlehands north to the Broughton's every year. I expect him to turn up here heading north in next few weeks......

I heard one once on the lower Fraser River near Ladner or Steveston.

Sounded like someone was hitting the engine bed hard w a 16lb hammer. Someone said it was an Easthope but perhaps it was one of the others you were talking about. You make it sound like I'd like to have one ???? Thanks for the enlightenment.

Interesting info. I worked at Washington Iron Works and went through a lot of drawings for the Washington Diesel engine. Wish I could have seen one and perhaps heard it run. But (believe it or not) that was before my time.

If you see this TAD how many of these skinny "commuter" boats were flat bottomed like dories? HaHa I like Barnacle's bow railing!

Art said:

Tad - You know gph or nmpg at 10 knots?

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In an early piece about Tlingit Garden mentioned 2gph (gas) at cruising speed of 9.75knots and 550 RPM. Later he mentions 1.5gph for an "easy" cruising speed of 8.5 knots. The engine is 463 cubic inches and around 1800 pounds, turns a 24" by 26" prop.

manyboats said:

I worked at Washington Iron Works and went through a lot of drawings for the Washington Diesel engine. Wish I could have seen one and perhaps heard it run. But (believe it or not) that was before my time.

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The 3 cylinder Washington in the David B is still running just fine

The David B's Antique Washington-Estep 3 Cylinder Engine - YouTube

There's one in Catalyst that's also in regular use.....

Washington Diesel MV Catalyst - YouTube

And the Arthur Foss at Northwest Seaport in Seattle has an operating 700 HP Washington....you should go take a look......

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Tad:

Thanks for those YouTube videos, particularly the David B one which was great.

Now to go find a one lunger YouTube video to remind me of the sound of the double ender in-shore lobster boats of my childhood, not to mention one particular sailboat I chartered many, many years ago.

TAD thank you very much on the Washington Diesel video.

TAD or David that lobster boat in David's pic interests me much. I'd like to know the probable beam of earlier lobster boats. I suspect they were narrow, more like FD boats and were powered by 40 to 100hp engines. I'll bet the sterns weren't a big flat and most importantly strait bottom (basically a planing hull) like the modern LB.

I like the look of most all LBs but every one I've seen underway leaves a big fat wake and shows little evidence of any special efficiency.


Re things old here's another pic of the sad but once grand old lady that I saw in Ketchikan.

Also a clinker/lapstrake planked wood sailboat running w the wind AND current in Knight Inlet last spring.