Interesting boats

windmist said:

The side profile is pleasing to the eye but that is about all that is good with this boat.

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I agree and don't even think that the side view is very pleasing. Garden designed some really beautiful boats but this is not one of them.

SeaHorse II said:

I agree and don't even think that the side view is very pleasing. Garden designed some really beautiful boats but this is not one of them.

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Yep. I don't think the profile of the boat is remotely good looking and the interior looks like I built it. In my garage.

But...... what we don't know is if Mr. Garden was working within the confines of some very strict guidelines laid down by whoever commissioned the design. Naval architects, like artists and plumbers, have to eat and it may be he took this commission because it's how he made his living and he simply did the best he could with an inherently bad idea that he was being paid to execute.

Since we are on Bill Garden yachts: 1969 Philbrooks 62 Garden Design Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I used Bill Garden's "June Bug," a 17' cat schooner, as the basis for my first production sailboat, the "Marsh Hen."

I loved his artistic drawings often showing a man with a pipe for scale.

Keith thanks for the link. BIG DDs. I don't see anything shabby about this boat and there are MANY pics. I saw lots of things one would never see in a production boat like that diesel stove close to the dinning table. Custom boats are frequently like a sex orgy ... anything goes and thus they are frequently fascinating.

Arguing that William Garden may not be great is dispelled quickly by the fact that anybody selling a Garden designed boat makes that fact clear in their presentation of the boat.

Marin says "I don't think the profile of the boat is remotely good looking and the interior looks like I built it. In my garage." I can see why you said that Marin. Someone like you or me may have done that. But the original owner got the most important part very right ...... a Garden designed hull.

rjtrane said:

I used Bill Garden's "June Bug," a 17' cat schooner, as the basis for my first production sailboat, the "Marsh Hen."

I loved his artistic drawings often showing a man with a pipe for scale.

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I don't remember Garden's "june Bug" but I do remember at least the name "Marsh Hen". I suspect there is a lot more to know about you than a green guy w an electric boat. I'd like to know more about your history and who you really are in the boating world. Hope this isn't intrusive.

I love Garden's drawings too.

Eric you may remember the Florida Bay Coasters. IIRC Reuben was the force behind those (Jay Benford designed) boats. Reuben, feel free to jump in and correct me, but also the Marsh hen, peep hen, and others I can't recall. The coasters were built in South America for a while and Green Cove Springs, Florida.
Billy Joel had the "Red Head" for a time.

Oh yes I remember the talk about the Coasters awhile back. I thought he got jumped a bit too hard about the seaworthyness issue. I was going to say something about most freighters being shaped a lot like the Coasters but someone else beat me to it. But as you pointed out it was Benford that designed them. I also remember saying or thinking about saying that all the groceries get to SE Alaska over QC Sound and Dixon Entrance on flat bottomed barges.

But if the Coasters were built w a normal aspect ratio and otherwise proportioned like typical trawlers they would fare less well. But ther'e not.

Three more interesting boats;

1. Saw this boat in Everett 8 years ago. I'm not sure I've posted it yet but the other two boats I've posted before. This one's a beautiful boat but the guy on the foredeck look's very bad.

2. Mark and I have posted this Ketchikan boat more than once but every time there seems to ooos and awwwws. So you get it again.

3. This one is interesting and spends a lot of time in Craig Ak. Saw it down at Butedale too. He introduced me to Nobletech navagation stuff. Anyway I really like the very clean look of his boat .. especially the bow w/o all the usual clutter.

I thought this would be a more popular thread. I'm running out of boats but one would think most everybody would have lots of pics of interesting boats.

manyboats said:

Three more interesting boats;

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2. Mark and I have posted this Ketchikan boat more than once but every time there seems to ooos and awwwws. So you get it again.

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This was the final inspiration to acquire my own trawler.

manyboats said:

I thought this would be a more popular thread. I'm running out of boats but one would think most everybody would have lots of pics of interesting boats.

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Well, at least from my standpoint, I can tell you that if I came across any of the boats in the middle of your marina photo (shown below), it would be the most interesting fricken boat in any marina around here. All I can show you from Miami is a bunch of streamlined, same-old boring carved bars of soap.

manyboats said:

1. Saw this boat in Everett 8 years ago. I'm not sure I've posted it yet but the other two boats I've posted before. This one's a beautiful boat but the guy on the foredeck look's very bad.

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That one is called Topaz, Ed Monk design 52' by 15'6", D-333 Cat power, Built in Vancouver by McQueen's and launched in 1971.

2. Mark and I have posted this Ketchikan boat more than once but every time there seems to ooos and awwwws. So you get it again.

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A Garden design from 1965, originally called Kingfisher, 42' by 14'6", 57,000 pounds with 10,000 of ballast. Built in Michigan of strip-planked wood core with heavy glass inside and out


Here's a picture from Yesterday at Maple Bay, Herself designed by Garden and launched in 2001.

Thank you TAD,

Looks like if you have a Monk or Garden boat you're in.

Topaz is beautiful. Her very smooth finish is stunning. Lines .. proportion .. all perfect.

Herself is also beautiful, traditional and classic. Very very nice to look at and her stern is up above the water where it should be.

Thank's TAD

hustler w THAT much latitude I'm sure I can find more interesting boats.

Osprey is not a typical boat but not very unusual either. Notice the skipper has everything in it's place and ready to use. See that there's no water or rust marks coming out of the seams. The stove pipe equally sound but scruffy looking. I'll not comment at all on the green but to say I reduced the "saturation" to make it easier on your eyes. Not so much in the 2nd shot.


The anchor is one of my favorites .. a Dreadnought.
This boat is probably well over 50 years old and still doing her job.

The third pic is cool as my name is Eric but would you believe my sister's name is Randi.

Both boats were in Petersburg.

Perfidia is a boat seen regularly in Lund, BC. This picture doesn't do it justice. It is as thin as a pencil. 38', I believe.

While not a boat(at least a whole one) I found a gentleman that restores transoms from derelict boats. Prices are commensurate with the amount of labor invested.

What a cool idea.

Northern Spy said:

This picture doesn't do it justice. It is as thin as a pencil. 38', I believe.

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I love this boat!

Tad Roberts said:

Here's a picture from Yesterday at Maple Bay, Herself designed by Garden and launched in 2001.

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Aaahhh man! Something about a boat that looks like a sculpture too. "Herself" truly is boat porn.

healhustler said:

Aaahhh man! Something about a boat that looks like a sculpture too. "Herself" truly is boat porn.

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You should see Herself in person. She's just about perfect with a simple, tasteful interior. Very pleasant owners to chat with as well.

manyboats said:

Three more interesting boats;

1. Saw this boat in Everett 8 years ago. I'm not sure I've posted it yet but the other two boats I've posted before. This one's a beautiful boat but the guy on the foredeck look's very bad.

2. Mark and I have posted this Ketchikan boat more than once but every time there seems to ooos and awwwws. So you get it again.

3. This one is interesting and spends a lot of time in Craig Ak. Saw it down at Butedale too. He introduced me to Nobletech navagation stuff. Anyway I really like the very clean look of his boat .. especially the bow w/o all the usual clutter.

I thought this would be a more popular thread. I'm running out of boats but one would think most everybody would have lots of pics of interesting boats.

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Have been admiring a recent arrival at the dock here in Campbell River and just realized it is the same vessel as your #1 example. Beautiful.

Wasn't "Herself" built by the owner? I think I remember running into him up at Friday Harbor after reading about it in Wooden Boat. They had a wonderful article called "Mr. Gardens Neighborhood" featuring local (Vancouver Island) amature boatbuilders that were building designs by Mr. Garden. Kinda made it seem that he'd just wander by once in awhile to check progress and answer questions.

Conrad .... thanks .. I think. Now I don't like her so much w that swooped up bow and highly raked cabin roof. The decks inside must match. No thanks but she's still a beautiful boat.

Max,
I've read other things that indicate there must be a sort of community of Garden followers. Great designer to follow to be sure. He lived/lives in the Gulf Islands somewhere as I recall. Is he still with us?

Max Simmons said:

Wasn't "Herself" built by the owner? I think I remember running into him up at Friday Harbor after reading about it in Wooden Boat. They had a wonderful article called "Mr. Gardens Neighborhood" featuring local (Vancouver Island) amature boatbuilders that were building designs by Mr. Garden. Kinda made it seem that he'd just wander by once in awhile to check progress and answer questions.

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She was built over many years by her owner, Don Mossman, on the Saanich Peninsula. Wandering by and answering questions is one of the things a designer does, given the slightest encouragement.....

And, Tad, you end up with remarkably useful and interesting posts. Thanks.

manyboats said:

Conrad .... thanks .. I think. Now I don't like her so much w that swooped up bow and highly raked cabin roof. The decks inside must match. No thanks but she's still a beautiful boat.

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To be really special a boat must look good from all angles, this is harder than it looks. Topaz does not look great from that aft quarter angle, but she is stunning from the forward quarter.....

I've read other things that indicate there must be a sort of community of Garden followers. Great designer to follow to be sure. He lived/lives in the Gulf Islands somewhere as I recall. Is he still with us?

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Every designer has a community of followers, those who commit their time and money to build our designs. William Garden passed away a couple of years back.

Here's a Garden design that suffers the same problem as Topaz, too many breaks in the sheer, too many lines going different directions. Romance is a nice boat, but not "just right" from every angle.

TAD wrote "To be really special a boat must look good from all angles, this is harder than it looks. Topaz does not look great from that aft quarter angle, but she is stunning from the forward quarter..... "

I can relate to that fully and consider it useful knowledge. Thanks for sharing.

I agree on Romance too .. also I don't like her FB and lack of visibility fwd.
I do like her gillnetter stern though.

Interesting design. KJ

AhHa

A truly interesting boat. More so than all the interesting boats I've got left.

Looks like the designer had maximum WLL in view.

I kinda like it.

Thanks KJ

This boat is not bristol like Romance but she looks like she's been many more places than most boats. Look at all the "stuff" and it looks like it all gets used. If it's attached securely it should keep Star relatively level in most any weather. Would probably be fun to read her log.