Hendo's Randall 35 Cray Boat complete rebuild, Perth, Western Australia

bfloyd4445 · Jan 27, 2013

Hendo78 said:
Well personally if I hadn't have "played" with the tranny I wouldn't have known how she went together. I would have rather have not known but since I do it's interesting to know how it works.

I'm most excited about firing up the motor. The last time she was started was over 7 years ago and now I am rebuilding it, will be a momentous occasion. Can't wait :-D

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]oh yeah, the first turn over of a motor one has personally rebuilt climaxes when she actually starts.. As your fingers turn the key thoughts of, will she turn over, will she blow apart, and if she dosent will she start enter ones head. Then when she fires up it like.....well you know

...a first kiss....te..he
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Andy G · Jan 27, 2013

bfloyd4445, "Helvetica, sans-serif]oh yeah, the first turn over of a motor one has personally rebuilt climaxes when she actually starts.. As your fingers turn the key thoughts of, will she turn over, will she blow apart, and if she dosent will she start enter ones head. Then when she fires up it like.....well you know

...a first kiss....te..he"

You have a lot to answer for Hendo 78, you've turned the hard men of the forum into SNAG's, good grief where will it all end. :lol:

BruceK · Jan 27, 2013

Hendo78 said:
It's in my nature to pull things apart, whether they are broken or not

The Australian Navy used to do that. I toured Cockatoo Isl. Naval Base Sydney shortly before it closed, a sub was under refit, the diesel(s) had been rebuilt, I was told the engines would be run a while after recommissioning, and pulled down again to check all was perfect.
Sounded like a circular never ending process to me, but with subs I suppose you can`t be too careful.
Now,with trawlers,....

Hendo78 · Jan 28, 2013

BruceK said:
The Australian Navy used to do that. I toured Cockatoo Isl. Naval Base Sydney shortly before it closed, a sub was under refit, the diesel(s) had been rebuilt, I was told the engines would be run a while after recommissioning, and pulled down again to check all was perfect.
Sounded like a circular never ending process to me, but with subs I suppose you can`t be too careful.
Now,with trawlers,....

Wow what a pain in the arse! I'm pedantic, but .....

Hendo78 · Jan 28, 2013

Andy G said:
bfloyd4445, "Helvetica, sans-serif]oh yeah, the first turn over of a motor one has personally rebuilt climaxes when she actually starts.. As your fingers turn the key thoughts of, will she turn over, will she blow apart, and if she dosent will she start enter ones head. Then when she fires up it like.....well you know...a first kiss....te..he"

You have a lot to answer for Hendo 78, you've turned the hard men of the forum into SNAG's, good grief where will it all end. :lol:

Hahaha nah BFloyd is just passionate about engines. As passionate as I am about SCUBA diving

I admire people that have a passion and aren't afraid to say it :-D

At least i know BFloyd will enjoy the video I will take of the engines first start "almost" as much as I will :-D.

bfloyd4445 · Jan 28, 2013

Hendo78 said:
Hahaha nah BFloyd is just passionate about engines. As passionate as I am about SCUBA diving
I admire people that have a passion and aren't afraid to say it :-D

At least i know BFloyd will enjoy the video I will take of the engines first start "almost" as much as I will :-D.

Your right, I cant wait to hear the engine burst into life

.....I'm looking forward to that day. Hopefully your video will have a good sound track. I have no doubt that she will purr like a kitten after all the effort you have put in her.

BruceK · Jan 28, 2013

bfloyd4445 said:
Your right, I cant wait to hear the engine burst into life.... no doubt that she will purr like a kitten after all the effort you have put in her.

Let`s not get ahead of ourselves chaps. You could bench test the engine, but you still need the boat it will power, though with Hendo in action,that could be very soon.

skipperdude · Jan 28, 2013

bfloyd4445 said:
I always wondered how anyone could own something they use daily and not have an understanding of how the system worked. The inside of a motor or transmission is a thing of beauty especially when you have built it with your own two hands and she purrs like a kitten.

I know what you mean my man.
I did the same thing with my Cat 3208 and tranny.

Went together like she had eyes.

Just nuts and bolts and a little bit of grunting
Keep at her . You'r doing great.

SD

Hendo78 · Jan 29, 2013

skipperdude said:
I know what you mean my man.
I did the same thing with my Cat 3208 and tranny.

Went together like she had eyes.

Just nuts and bolts and a little bit of grunting
Keep at her . You'r doing great.

SD

Thanks SD.
I believe you did a boat rebuild of your own? is that correct? Can't remember what/where but i read somewhere that some said you had. If you did do it, Have you posted it somewhere? i would like to have a squizzy?
Cheers mate

Hendo78 · Feb 1, 2013

Did a little bit today. Wasn't really in the mood but dragged my arse down to the boat and put 3hrs in. Installed 2 side panels and the brass shaft log. The epoxy around the shaft log is a bit rough but she'll be right once it dries and I sand it up. The motor is slowly comin along too. Not long till I start her up for the first time ;-)

CPseudonym · Feb 1, 2013

Don't look now hendo but she's starting to look like a boat again

Keep up the good work

Hendo78 · Feb 1, 2013

CPseudonym said:
Don't look now hendo but she's starting to look like a boat again

Keep up the good work

Yeah slowly slowly. Might go down and put the transom on tomorrow. Hit the hay early tonight so I'm not dragging me arse around like I was today.

Art · Feb 1, 2013

Hendo78 said:
Yeah slowly slowly. Might go down and put the transom on tomorrow. Hit the hay early tonight so I'm not dragging me arse around like I was today.

Yo Matt...

Maybe you should put a clear Plexiglas transom on your AXE. Then you can easily see whatever is on your boat’s arse in da water – LOL :lol: Keep up the great work!

Mid 60’s a diesel mechanic, my dad, and me helping (at 13 yrs old) put a single 180 hp turbo charged Perkins into our 37’ raised-deck, fly bridge sport fisher woody whose keel had been laid in 1950. That boat was a beaut! We were replacing her tired 155 hp Nordberg Knight gas engine. The Perkins eventually became a damn good engine and her fuel economy was super (orig problem noted below). Turning a well engineered 4 blade prop it pushed that semi displacement hulled baby all day at 12 to 13 knots using just a few gallons per hour. Top end was around 15 knots. Back then in NY marine diesel was under $0.25 per gal. We cruised at less than a $buck$ an hour. Which = bout $0.08 per nautical mile - Wahooo! Soooo... a relaxing 4 week 1000 mile round trip coastal cruise from NY to beyond Maine and back only cost us some $80 bucks in fuel – Gotta Love It!.

I’m sure you will love your Perkins to cruise with, especially as she’ll be like new! :socool:

Question... after using her you gonna get a little tat on your right arse cheek that reads “Love Them Perkins”! lol

Note: Problem we had for some time at first was the brand new Perkins diesel would over heat soon as we pushed beyond 1500 rpm. Took a BIG fight, for months, with Perkins HQ before dad finally convinced them to send a couple of specialist engineers. Turned out there was an invisible hairline crack at some location inside her head and not till higher rpm began to thrust more heat into the head would that crack interfere with the engine’s running temperature. Once the internal crack was determined/located with special instrumentation used by the engineers that went out with us aboard boat for a cruise it was short order before a Perkins supplied a new head and problem was solved. I don’t think any other proplem again was experienced with that engine. She served well for about a decade till boat was sold. I’m sure your like new Perkins will serve you well too! – BTW, what year is your Perkins diesel?

Happy Boat Daze! - Art :dance:

bfloyd4445 · Feb 1, 2013

CPseudonym said:
Don't look now hendo but she's starting to look like a boat again

Keep up the good work

Don't tell him that or he will tear it down and start over again and we will never get to see her sea trials

Yes Hendo, looking very good. I can just see her now sailing into the red sunset heading for a tropical island. Remember that old saying;
Red sky in the morning sailors take warning,
Red sky at night sailors delight.

Hendo78 · Feb 2, 2013

bfloyd4445 said:
Don't tell him that or he will tear it down and start over again and we will never get to see her sea trials

Yes Hendo, looking very good. I can just see her now sailing into the red sunset heading for a tropical island. Remember that old saying;
Red sky in the morning sailors take warning,
Red sky at night sailors delight.

Lol no chance of that happening mate. The epoxy high strength glue is soooo strong, it will destroy the timber if i try to remove it so where she's glued, she stays. Good or Bad.

bfloyd4445 · Feb 2, 2013

Hendo78 said:
Lol no chance of that happening mate. The epoxy high strength glue is soooo strong, it will destroy the timber if i try to remove it so where she's glued, she stays. Good or Bad.

Then red sky at night, a sailors delight it shall be. :speed boat:

Hendo78 · Feb 2, 2013

It was Day 21 today. Spent a couple of hours playing with the transom. She's really starting to take shape and look like a nice little 40 footer.

The sprinklers went on last night and dumped a bit of water in the boat :-( ... Good news out of that was that there was still water in the boat. No water leaking out means no water leaking in :-D

The shaft log I glued in yesterday is the strongest I've ever seen two different materials glued. Its almost like its been welded. I jumped up and down on it and stomped on it and nothing happened. I Really love the Bote-Cote high strength glue mixture. Yes the log area looks ugly but she'll sand up lovely and will be waterproof.
Really very happy with this as I was thinking about how I was going to do the log for quite a while.

Next thing I might tackle is the built in marlin board and then install the hardwood chine rails, then extend the bottom panels out to the chine rails and get it all sealed up with epoxy fillets before prepping it for the 2 pak bilge paint up to the firewall.

Then the engine goes in Wooh Hoooo :-D

Hendo78 · Feb 2, 2013

bfloyd4445 said:
Then red sky at night, a sailors delight it shall be.

I'll be delighted for many years to come! ;-)

Thanks for your support Bfloyd! ;-)

Hendo78 · Feb 2, 2013

Art said:
Yo Matt...

Maybe you should put a clear Plexiglas transom on your AXE. Then you can easily see whatever is on your boats arse in da water  LOL :lol: Keep up the great work!

Mid 60s a diesel mechanic, my dad, and me helping (at 13 yrs old) put a single 180 hp turbo charged Perkins into our 37 raised-deck, fly bridge sport fisher woody whose keel had been laid in 1950. That boat was a beaut! We were replacing her tired 155 hp Nordberg Knight gas engine. The Perkins eventually became a damn good engine and her fuel economy was super (orig problem noted below). Turning a well engineered 4 blade prop it pushed that semi displacement hulled baby all day at 12 to 13 knots using just a few gallons per hour. Top end was around 15 knots. Back then in NY marine diesel was under $0.25 per gal. We cruised at less than a $buck$ an hour. Which = bout $0.08 per nautical mile - Wahooo! Soooo... a relaxing 4 week 1000 mile round trip coastal cruise from NY to beyond Maine and back only cost us some $80 bucks in fuel  Gotta Love It!.

Im sure you will love your Perkins to cruise with, especially as shell be like new!
Question... after using her you gonna get a little tat on your right arse cheek that reads Love Them Perkins! lol

Note: Problem we had for some time at first was the brand new Perkins diesel would over heat soon as we pushed beyond 1500 rpm. Took a BIG fight, for months, with Perkins HQ before dad finally convinced them to send a couple of specialist engineers. Turned out there was an invisible hairline crack at some location inside her head and not till higher rpm began to thrust more heat into the head would that crack interfere with the engines running temperature. Once the internal crack was determined/located with special instrumentation used by the engineers that went out with us aboard boat for a cruise it was short order before a Perkins supplied a new head and problem was solved. I dont think any other proplem again was experienced with that engine. She served well for about a decade till boat was sold. Im sure your like new Perkins will serve you well too!  BTW, what year is your Perkins diesel?

Happy Boat Daze! - Art

Arty! How r ya old mate?!

Didn't think they had engines way back when you were 13!? :-D :-O lol just playin mate! ;-)

The boat you described sounds like AXE (minus the fly bridge). AXE's keel was laid in 1958. This motor isn't the original. Apparently it came from Qantas Airlines. Not sure what she originally had but from the other 1958 Randal boats, I suspect it was a Perkins 6.354 too. I worked out that my max speed will be around the 12kn mark with a cruise at around 6-10kn. It will take some getting use to Comin from my ski boat that does 68kn,

My Perkins was originally made in 1991. I've heard nothing but great things about these engines so I'm very excited about owning one, especially now I have a newly rebuilt one

Not sure about the tatt tho lolololol

Thanks for your support my friend!

Art · Feb 2, 2013

Hendo78 said:
Arty! How r ya old mate?!

Didn't think they had engines way back when you were 13!? :-D :-O lol just playin mate! ;-)

Hendo, you cwazy boat builden guy! I be fine... TY for asken... and you?? Yup - they even had planes flyen well before I was 13. 13's always been my lucky #!!

Keep On Keepen ON!

Hendo78 · Feb 2, 2013

Hehe ... Yeah I'm gooooood TY ;-)

CPseudonym · Feb 2, 2013

Making great progress for 21 days(I'd still be trying to find the sharp edge of the saw).

Is that the final position of the diesel tank and if so how are ya planning to ballast the boat level with all that fuel to one side? IDK, it could be a camera angle thing I'm seeing.

Stay after it mate

Hendo78 · Feb 2, 2013

CPseudonym said:
Making great progress for 21 days(I'd still be trying to find the sharp edge of the saw).

Is that the final position of the diesel tank and if so how are ya planning to ballast the boat level with all that fuel to one side? IDK, it could be a camera angle thing I'm seeing.

Stay after it mate

Hey mate,
Cheers for the kind words of encouragement.

In relation to the tank, yeah shes to one side atm but its not staying there. I've just rolled it over to the side so I could work on the shaft log without restriction. With the tank in position I'll still be able to get to the log to service it (thanks to TF members reminding me about access) but yeah just easier to roll it out the way for the meantime.

Because the tank is alloy, I plan on doing a couple of things before I put her back in position. I'm going to coat the tank with two coats of epoxy to seal it and protect it from pin-holing and I've got to epoxy glue two plastic strips on the tank so when the tank is in position the plastic strips will sit on top of the timber rails without risk of crevice corrosion prior to strapping down.

Once its time to start the finishing install, I will be installing 16x100aph batteries ( 8 either side of the motor ). The batteries weigh 40kgs each so that's 320 kgs either side.

I worked out to balance the boat and give it a lower centre of gravity due to my structural size modifications i made earlier on, the rear 500ltr tank when full will be 500kgs in the arse, the motor weighs about 1000kgs (approx) plus 640kgs of batteries so thats 1640kgs in the mid section then the 500ltr freshwater tank in the nose will be 500kgs. So thats a total below waterline weight of is 2640kgs not including the weight of the hull.

My analysis is that as the top section will be nowhere near this weight, this will hopefully ensure the weight is concentrated at the waterline thus giving the boat a lower centre of gravity and in turn, making it more stable.

I think this will work out fine because I have widened the stern beam to 3mtrs to match the midsection beam of 3mtrs. I also lifted the floor height up 500mm from the original height to get me up out of the water more for open water traveling.

The plan is to add 650mm high sides on top of the floor. on top of the sides i will install 300mm high 40mm round stainless steel uprights with 2 rows of 5mm stainless steel rope/cable down the length of AXE and then install a 50mm timber handrail on top of it all to bring it up to 1mtr overall height from the height of the floor to the top of the handrail.

From the waterline to the top of the handrail will be approx. 2.0mtrs but its a bit hard to estimate this with any kind or accuracy as I'm not totally sure on working out the waterline due to not being sure on the boats weight but what I've read on the net, I've kinda sorta maybe got a rough idea on where the waterline will be.

Confused yet???? Lolololol

It's hard to explain it on paper but its all in my head (like this whole project has been). Nothing like flying by the seat of your pants and making sh!t up as ya go ay! :-D

Hendo78 · Feb 7, 2013

Pulled the reduction gear part of the transmission apart today. No wonder oil was pissing out the rear of the tranny! ... The rear oil seal was shagged! Pretty stoked i got a new one for $10

I thoroughly cleaned and and flushed all parts and replaced the rear oil seal and put it back together. Just waiting on the gasket kit, the O ring kit and the front oil seal to be delivered then my old Paragon will become my New Paragon ;-)

Art · Feb 7, 2013

Well - At least your Tranny ain't cross-dressen! :rofl:

Keep up da good work!!

CPseudonym · Feb 7, 2013

Having the lubricant on the inside of the gear case should improve performance considerably.

bfloyd4445 · Feb 7, 2013

CPseudonym said:
Having the lubricant on the inside of the gear case should improve performance considerably.

????......

.....

...yep, works great, I got lots of lubricant inside me and let me tell you it really makes things go

BruceK · Feb 7, 2013

Hendo78 said:
This motor isn't the original. Apparently it came from Qantas Airlines.

Hoping it came from ground equipment and not one side of a Dash 8.

Hendo78 · Feb 8, 2013

BruceK said:
Hoping it came from ground equipment and not one side of a Dash 8.

Yeah no idea how it came to end up in my boat. Tho an A380 engine would push the old girl along rather quickly lol

Art · Feb 8, 2013

Hendo78 said:
Yeah no idea how it came to end up in my boat. Tho an A380 engine would push the old girl along rather quickly lol

Matt - How many HP you figure the engine will produce??

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