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Marin said:
There are surveyors who say they are experts at both hull and engine surveys. But I think it's wiser to have individuals who speciliaze in one or the other for a pre-purchase survey.

When we went to Alameda to check out the boat we ultimately bought we started about 6:00 am and did our own very thorough inspection and systems testing. Then we took the boat out onto the bay for a sea trial in the course of which we took the boat to a boatyard next to a Navy base.

The engine surveyor met us there and conducted his engine survey for a couple of hours. Then the hull surveyor showed up and did the first part of his survey with the boat in the water, then the boat was pulled out and blocked, and the hull surveyor did the second half of his survey.

The hull surveyor went home about 10:00 pm after which we discussed the pros and cons of buying the boat.

So if you can find a good hull surveyor familiar witht he make and model of the boat you're interested in and a good engine surveyor who's very familiar with the type of engine(s) in the boat, I think that's the best way to go even though it may cost more.

Now for our insurance surveys, we hire just one surveyor, a hull and systems specialist, and he does an abreviated survey aimed at satisfying the issues the insurance companies are interested in. If in the course of the survey he sees other things he thinks we should address he writes them down for us but he does not put them on his official survey form.
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interesting. So your initial survey must have taken all day? I would want a good mechanic to do the engine survey. So there are specialists that just do engine system surveys? I didn't know that. In Alameda you could find everything and i guess san pedro should be almost as good. Tomorrow i'm gonna try locating some.
Thanks Marin, everyone, for sharing your experiances and knowledge
 
Art said:
That's good info for boat owners to to keep in mind! :thumb:
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yeah. i was thinking of one survey fits all just shows how dumb i am huh? golly gee, I be dumber even than i thought i was regarding surveys not to mention single vs. twins<smile>
I mean surveys issue is simple compared to this single vs. twins issue. I mean we have almost written a book on the subject here in this forum and wer'e no closer to the answer than with were with the very first post.....:banghead:
 
bfloyd4445 said:
interesting. So your initial survey must have taken all day?
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The pre-purchase engine/generator survey took about two hours. The pre-purchase hull/systems survey took about eight hours plus the time it took to pull and block the boat in the Travelift partway through it.

The insurance survey takes way less time than this.
 
If you are using say a mechanical and a general/hull surveyor, start with the one in whose area you think there might be a deal breaker, if it happens you may be able to save some $ by calling off surveyor 2.
 
Great Laker said:
Keep in mind that the more the posts, the more disk space needed on the server, and the more it costs to support this forum. :ermm:
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This isn't totally true. character strings don't take much space at all. ASCII characters are very small. Even an epic Marin post is a pretty small disk footprint. Even the GUI of forum software is pretty effecient and relatively small. There is a reason for this. The forum service providers I have dealt with in the past have usually charged by bandwidth (i.e. number of hits and amount of data transferred). That equates to, the more hits and the more members are the driving factors of operating expenses of forums. Even with a ton of members, costs are barely offset by ad revenue. Especially in the early stages (like we are). the shear number of ads and amount of total available space on the web has diluted the pool so far that having ads on your site is not that profitable anymore.

I haven't owned a forum in a while. Things may have changed. Also, Janet and Andy, being venture capitalists in forum providing, may have worked out a business plan that CAN run a profitable operation. However, I suspect that, while it will never allow them to go hungry, it's unlikely to put them on Easy Street. :lol:

Tom-
 
GonzoF1 said:
This isn't totally true. character strings don't take much space at all. ASCII characters are very small. Even an epic Marin post is a pretty small disk footprint. Even the GUI of forum software is pretty effecient and relatively small. There is a reason for this. The forum service providers I have dealt with in the past have usually charged by bandwidth (i.e. number of hits and amount of data transferred). That equates to, the more hits and the more members are the driving factors of operating expenses of forums. Even with a ton of members, costs are barely offset by ad revenue. Especially in the early stages (like we are). the shear number of ads and amount of total available space on the web has diluted the pool so far that having ads on your site is not that profitable anymore.

I haven't owned a forum in a while. Things may have changed. Also, Janet and Andy, being venture capitalists in forum providing, may have worked out a business plan that CAN run a profitable operation. However, I suspect that, while it will never allow them to go hungry, it's unlikely to put them on Easy Street. :lol:

Tom-
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Tom, so are you telling us to shut up or the forum will go bust?
 
That's crazy. Every time you visit a page that has an ad on the side, it generates income. Every time.

If you really wanna generate some income, click an ad that intrigues you and look around on the page that comes up. "Click-Thru" ad revenue can add up pretty quickly.
 
SomeSailor said:
That's crazy. Every time you visit a page that has an ad on the side, it generates income. Every time.

If you really wanna generate some income, click an ad that intrigues you and look around on the page that comes up. "Click-Thru" ad revenue can add up pretty quickly.
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thats what i thought. I also hate those adds cause they feel like blood suckers. But i guess if they support good things like this forum they are good
 
GonzoF1 said:
This isn't totally true. character strings don't take much space at all. ASCII characters are very small. Even an epic Marin post is a pretty small disk footprint. Even the GUI of forum software is pretty effecient and relatively small. There is a reason for this. The forum service providers I have dealt with in the past have usually charged by bandwidth (i.e. number of hits and amount of data transferred). That equates to, the more hits and the more members are the driving factors of operating expenses of forums. Even with a ton of members, costs are barely offset by ad revenue. Especially in the early stages (like we are). the shear number of ads and amount of total available space on the web has diluted the pool so far that having ads on your site is not that profitable anymore.

I haven't owned a forum in a while. Things may have changed. Also, Janet and Andy, being venture capitalists in forum providing, may have worked out a business plan that CAN run a profitable operation. However, I suspect that, while it will never allow them to go hungry, it's unlikely to put them on Easy Street. :lol:

Tom-
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Tom

I sure don’t know squat bout forum cost, maintenance, revenue flow, bandwidth etc... But, being a business person dealing along other biz lines I do “see” the following regarding this forum:

- Majority of contributors here are old enough to be pretty well set in their ways and are not the most easily sold to by flashing pop-up ads
- Seems there are approx <75 viewers/contributors at any given time, and you can bet most are repeats... day after day... who are fairly oblivious to the ads
- Doubtful that the pop-up “flash” ads do much more than annoy the vast majority of contributors/viewers
- “Trawlers” aren't a topic that tends to draw thousands into contributing to this forum or simply viewing its posts, and, those that do are usually not exactly youngsters nor here to purchase anything... this forum seems not to much of a growth business
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Soooo, that said - - > I have no idea how the advertisers here can feel justified in placing ad money toward this forum?? :confused:

Maybe you could enlighten me!

Thanks, Happy Boater :speed boat: - - > Art :popcorn:
 
bfloyd4445 said:
thats what i thought. I also hate those adds cause they feel like blood suckers. But i guess if they support good things like this forum they are good
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They can be quite the money maker too. If something catches your eye, do the forum a favor. They are forbidden to direct folks to click on anything, but if something looks interesting feel free to to click thru. It'd shock ya what it can add up to on a larger forum.
 
markpierce said:
Engine failures occur at least twice as often with twins compared to single engines. Highly-exposed shafts and propellers also increase the odds of failure.
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That may be the case Mark but I'm glad I have a couple of twins on board when I go out for the day.
 

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Greetings,
Any fabric engineers care to figure out how much tensile force the neck strap is under? Blaze Starr comes to mind for some reason. Must be the large earrings....
 
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Ocean Breeze NL said:
That may be the case Mark but I'm glad I have a couple of twins on board when I go out for the day.
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Hey - You may have the safety of twin engines - but with those two "spare" twins aboard would you really want to return to port? :dance:

Just asken! :rofl:
 
SomeSailor said:
They can be quite the money maker too. If something catches your eye, do the forum a favor. They are forbidden to direct folks to click on anything, but if something looks interesting feel free to to click thru. It'd shock ya what it can add up to on a larger forum.
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What do you mean by what it can add up to?
 
Ocean Breeze NL said:
That may be the case Mark but I'm glad I have a couple of twins on board when I go out for the day.
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Bulbous bow

With that much flare, anticipate a dry ride in a head sea- but she could be slow to drain off.
 
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]well if you ask me twins are an expensive luxury, kind of like training wheels on a bicycle, not really necessary but nice to have until one gains self confidence.
But then what do i know about this subject, :popcorn:[/FONT]
 
Stead o' twins... I opt for quad power now - to reach # 666 before this thread self implodes. :eek:
 
Rambler said:
Early to bed, early to rise. Just nine posts until we see who posts the evil one.
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Where's Marin when we need him... person with most posts ever gets dibs, maybe it's him! :rofl:
 
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