New Member from Alaska

RickB said:

I used to do relief work on the AMHS and one of the best trips is on the "Tusty" (Tustumena) the ferry that runs from PWS to Kodiak and once a month goes out to Dutch Harbor and Akutan and False Pass, along with a few smaller villages on the "Chain Trip."

That run is not made in the Winter so the first one in the Spring is a big thing for the villages and is what I call a "real National Geographic experience." The village kids and women spend the Winter making crafts, berry jam, and beachcombing for Japanese glass fishing floats, I bought a milk crate full once to give as gifts to friends in the "lower 48." A lot of foreign visitors made that trip just for the experience and I can promise that there is not a mass market cruise ship in existence that can come anywhere close to what the Tusty offers.

The SE runs are pretty much bus routes but still a quantum measure above the floating hotels with regard to seeing the country and meeting people who are not employed by the cruise company to sell you the same stuff they sell in the Caribbean.

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I have always wanted to take the ferry out to the Aleutians. Been in Alaska for 23 years and havn't made it, but would like to!

The Ferrys (If you get the local village one) will allow you to see allot of villages, but the problem is that if you get off, the ferry leaves, and another one might not be by for a week or more so youre stuck.

Having made the inside passage in my own boat twice I can tell folks that the way to really see southeast Alaska is to have your own boat, hop from place to place with no real schedule.

For the non boatable areas the concept is the same. Rent a motorhome and cruise the road system. Take your time and go where ever you get interested in going.

SeaHorse II said:

Obviously you missed the point!

The point is/was that cruising Alaska in a small boat exposes you to things not normally encountered on a cruise ship. Sure, Holland America is quite an experience but to my way of thinking it doesn't even come close to experiencing Alaska, up close and personal.

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Where is your rifle?? Bear rug....

manyboats said:

A big kiss?

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No, a Mission Leather bound "thesaurus!"

Alaskan Sea-Duction said:

Where is your rifle?? Bear rug....

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No rifle....just a video cam & a Cannon Digital SLR. (We've decided that we will not do that again.) We do have a Black Bear rug in our Sedona, AZ house!

manyboats said:

Having a drink in the Red Dog Saloon isn't much different than having a drink anywhere but during the day you can take a bus out to the Mendenhall Glacier. The only tidewater glacier you can drive to.

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Something like this???

I'm guessing that Salmon at about 40 lbs?

SeaHorse II said:

No rifle....just a video cam & a Cannon Digital SLR. (We've decided that we will not do that again.) We do have a Black Bear rug in our Sedona, AZ house!

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Very nice Walt!

SeaHorse II said:

I'm guessing that Salmon at about 40 lbs?

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about that. A friend of mine who discovered trolling in Cook inlet with me. Avctually his wife caught it and the guys were skunked....but we don't speak of that....much

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You've not been there?

No the Mendenhall isn't exactly a grand glacier but it's very accessible.

When I was in my early 30s I saw a beautiful girl wandering about in Juneau so I wandered a bit w her. Seemed her mother had gone on to the Mendenhall by herself (on the bus) as the daughter was tired of all the people on their cruise ship. It was the Fairseas. A beautiful white ship w heavy teal decks everywhere. I took the girl (I should stop right there) to the glacier as she was sorry she had opted to stay in town. When we got back she wanted to treart me to dinner on the Fairseas but I had to pose as a tourist. I did and was amazed at the beautiful ship. It seemed all the crew was Indian and we had curry something for dinner. The ship looked more like the Titanic than the "cattle cars" (Marin's words) you see today.

Part of the experience was probably related to my early days in life when my mother and I would make the trip to Seattle to see my grandmother. Mom gave me the run of the ship which horrified all the other mothers on board. So I got my wanderlust and perhaps sea legs probably before I was 6.

When I look at a modern cruise ship I wonder why they need to be SO UGLY. I'm sure there are very good reasons.

manyboats said:

When I look at a modern cruise ship I wonder why they need to be SO UGLY. I'm sure there are very good reasons.

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They are designed to make money, then provide a resort style experience for the cattle ... er, "guests" who only see the inside. The outside is just an artifact of that process with a bit of marketing thrown in to make them look different enough from the other boats that the herd can recognize "their ship" when they get off the tour bus.

Tell me about the engine in your avatar.

In power Systems perhaps.

I found the boat interesting from a systems perspective. They're butt ugly - there's no other word for it. And demonstrably unsafe in an emergency as the Costa Concordia illustrated. But they are mechanical marvels designed to insulate the cattle from the reality of travelling by sea. The stabililzation was impressive. I spent hours staring down into the bridge from the observation deck. Their use of thrusters in lieu of anchoring was equally impressive.

Nobody pointed out Cuba to us but I was running a backup navigation system with my Garmin eTrex, just in case the captain needed help. So I was able to point out the forbidden island to our group as we passed it in the night.

I'm jealous of ships' navigational displays:

manyboats said:

Tell me about the engine in your avatar.

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Since we have nav displays filling the gaps it doesn't matter much ...

Gardner 8L3B one of a pair powering an Australian built 112 footer. Look carefully in the background and you might see part of one of the pair of 4 cylinder Gardners driving 45kW gensets.

We (my chief mate - who is charged with maintaining the boat - and I) fire them all up regularly just to listen to them run ... well, not so much the gennies because at 1500 rpm they seem to scream in comparison to the much more gentlemenly mains.

Yes I suspected as much. Do you know of the Radiant Star? A converted fish boat from Scotland that is now in Anacortes for sale. She has a 8 cyl Gardner. I recognized it form the pics. Thanks Rick.

No, not familiar with that boat though I do recall seeing a similar trawler in the Gulf Islands about 10 years ago that raised the pulse rate a bit. That boat would be near the top of my list after a gigbucks lottery win but not otherwise ... my 1944 tug pretty much satisfied my wooden boat cravings.

' my 1944 tug"

THAT sounds VERY interesting.

I had a very thorough tour of the Radiant Star a few months ago. It is a rescued fishing boat from Scotland. After conversion to a "pleasure" craft it did an 18,000 mile trip to the PNW via Cape Horn. PMM had a nice write up on it a few years ago. It is for sale with Chuck Hovey Yacht Sales in Seattle brokering it. "Stout" does not do it justice.

RickB said:

... my 1944 tug pretty much satisfied my wooden boat cravings.

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Not yours?

sunchaser said:

I had a very thorough tour of the Radiant Star a few months ago. .

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I just took a look at Radiant Star on the Yachtworld site. My totally subjective take on it is, great hull, cool engine, really ugly house, way too busy and cluttered interior, wouldn't want it.

manyboats said:

When I look at a modern cruise ship I wonder why they need to be SO UGLY. I'm sure there are very good reasons.

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I agree. Proportionately (very high superstructure in relation to length), cruise ships are looking more and more like your newer, typical recreational cruiser.

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OP here. It's cool that this thread kinda-sorta turned into a debate about the relative merits of cruise ship travel vs. self-directed cruising aboard one's own boat. In the end I think it comes down to personal preference, options, maybe skill level and what constitutes "fun" on the water.

Taking a cruise to Alaska can be a great way to see some of the sights this great state has to offer, while enjoying the creature comforts of a floating hotel and crowds of fellow travelers. But as others have pointed out, nothing compares to the pleasure of being out in the boonies with nobody else around, watching wildlife and enjoying the natural beauty of places where the big boats never venture!

I agree with you, Seven. There's no reason to limit one's self to a single option unless one can't stand staying days in a small boat rather than a large ship or the other way around. Most people prefer large boats with all the amenities. Others have to be "captain." Cruise ships are much less expensive and more comfortable for the passenger, but piloting a small boat gives one direct control.

markpierce said:

Most people prefer large boats with all the amenities.

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"Most people" have never experienced large or small.

http://www.cruising.org/sites/default/files/pressroom/2012CLIAIndustryUpdate.pdf

CLIA comes up with some odd stats, they claim over 20 percent of the US population have taken a cruise but only 3 percent per year take cruises. I think they count repeats as new members of the herd and from what I have seen, cruise ship pax tend to get addicted to the experience.

To put that 20+ percent figure in perspective, according to another cruise ship industry site, Las Vegas gets more visitors in a year than the world's total cruise ship capacity in the same period. More than 93 percent of cruises don't go to Alaska.

At least the money spent in Vegas stays in the US. The money laundering enterprise known as the cruise industry ships it out tax free and depends on taxpayer supported facilities to help load it.

Greetings,
Mr. Seven. Um..er...."In the end I think it comes down to personal preference, options, maybe skill level and what constitutes "fun" on the water." Shouldn't you have posted this statement in the "singles/twin" thread? Oh, maybe not...

RickB said:

CLIA comes up with some odd stats, they claim over 20 percent of the US population have taken a cruise but only 3 percent per year take cruises. I think they count repeats as new members of the herd and from what I have seen, cruise ship pax tend to get addicted to the experience.

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Must be Illinois bean counters... I'd buy 8 or 9% but not 24% and of the folks I know personally that have cruised they do tend to repeat frequently.

Hopping the ferry boats sounds vastly more interesting to me.

CPseudonym said:

Hopping the ferry boats sounds vastly more interesting to me.

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One of the real plusses of the Alaska State Ferry system is that because their ships are relatively small they call at towns and communities that the monster boxes can't or won't visit.

Petersburg is a prime example of this. Of the larger communities we've visited (by floatplane) in SE Alaska, the Big Box Ships can't physically get into Petersburg because the Wrangell Narrows is to narrow, shallow, and twisting. The largest ship that I'm aware of that can manage to make it up the Narrows is the Columbia, the flagship of the Alaska State Ferry system.

So Petersburg, while it does get tourists from the ferries and the "pocket cruise ships" that call there, does not have the wall-to-wall, squirming Big Box crowds thronging the streets as they do in Ketchikan, for example. As a result Petersburg has managed to retain some of it's unique appearance and atmosphere.

Beautiful vessel but looks like a full time job maintaining it. Too old for that!

When I get older I may retire to a cruise ship.

Food, shelter, On board medical, maid service.

Cost about the same as most retirement homes.

And the big one. You are on a boat.

SD

skipperdude said:

When I get older I may retire to a cruise ship.

Food, shelter, On board medical, maid service.

Cost about the same as most retirement homes.

And the big one. You are on a boat.

SD

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Hey good point, but they don't go to Main Bay for snagging reds. By that time you may also be #5 on the Whitgit waiting list for a slip!!!