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You can enjoy a movie about space travel but it doesn't mean you have been in space. Watching Das Boot doesn't let you smell the inside of a diesel boat and watching the trees go past your balcony doesn't mean you have experienced the sounds, sights, smells, tastes, and visions of what makes the "Inside" so special.

Shoving through a herd of shoppers at the Ketchikan Walmart or on Franklin Street in Juneau isn't really much of an Alaska experience is it?
 
Shoving through a herd of shoppers at the Ketchikan Walmart or on Franklin Street in Juneau isn't really much of an Alaska experience is it?

"So bird, you decided to avoid shopping in Ketchikan too?"

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I would have to agree seeing Alaska from a cruise ship with 3,000 other folks is nothing like seeing it from your own boat. But if you do the cruise ship, make sure you include the railroad package and go see Denali Park.
 
I would have to agree seeing Alaska from a cruise ship with 3,000 other folks is nothing like seeing it from your own boat. But if you do the cruise ship, make sure you include the railroad package and go see Denali Park.

"Gee, honey, where are the other 2,998 folks?"

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Don't forget the narrow-gauge railroad starting at Skagway.

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I have spent a lot of time in PWS in small coves listening to the ice crack on glaciers, or watching fish run up a river. The cruise ship thing is OK for some folks who only want to see the tourist side of Alaska, but if you want to see the "real Alaska" do it in your own boat on the hook in a cove that you will have to yourself.
 
Hey there fellow Whittiet.
I'm in the harbor say hey sometime or see you out on the sound.

I hang out on E float. I know you guy's in Cliff Side don't get over to the harbor
but if you ever feel like slumming. Stop by.

SD
 
Hey there fellow Whittiet.
I'm in the harbor say hey sometime or see you out on the sound.

I hang out on E float. I know you guy's in Cliff Side don't get over to the harbor
but if you ever feel like slumming. Stop by.

SD

When I am up that way I will be sure to stop by....

Still a 15year+ wait for a slip?
 
Alaska is a great deal more than bears and fish.

Obviously you missed the point!

The point is/was that cruising Alaska in a small boat exposes you to things not normally encountered on a cruise ship. Sure, Holland America is quite an experience but to my way of thinking it doesn't even come close to experiencing Alaska, up close and personal.
 

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Yes, I'm with Mark here. Taking our own boat not an option for us down here anyway, but hey, big boat cruising is also fun, and as for the Alaska trip - definitely on the wish list.
 
Yes, I'm with Mark here. Taking our own boat not an option for us down here anyway, but hey, big boat cruising is also fun, and as for the Alaska trip - definitely on the wish list.

Peter, how about the ferry system. I have been looking into that way to see Alaska. Get off where you want, and stay as long as you want. You can book fishing trips, and do some hiking. Then hop a ferry, and continue the trip.
 
Walt,
Apparently you missed my point too in that I have no misunderstanding about "up close and personal" and a cruise ship offers far far less of that but most of the potential Alaskan experience is not centered around fish and dangerous animals. In fact many are obsessed by that and see nothing else. I prefer geographical experiences and cultural experiences and historical experiences and weather experiences and flying experiences and boating experiences and hiking experiences and eating experiences or perhaps a canoe trip down part of the Yukon a hike on the north slope and many many other experiences that have nothing to do w hunting and fishing.
 
Don,
The ferries have great appeal but they are not as much fun as they used to be. People sleep everywhere .. on the floor and in the cafeteria. Kids are frequently very noisy and in the summer it's crowded. I'm sure a cruise ship would be much more enjoyable re time spent aboard but you can't stop here and there. And when you do stop traveling on the ferry there are excellent flight seeing and small boat trips like a little ride up a river on a jet boat. There's wonderful museums and some art that isn't over commercialized. Having a drink in the Red Dog Saloon isn't much different than having a drink anywhere but during the day you can take a bus out to the Mendenhall Glacier. The only tidewater glacier you can drive to. You can make connections to travel the Yukon Railroad recommended by everybody and see Whitehorse. But many of the side trips are expensive and if you take in a bunch at every stop it will cost a lot but if I had the money I'd probably do a mix of all the above but fly to Ketchikan and perhaps spending a few days in Juneau and/or Sitka.
 
Ok. Now tht that's settled: Take a Cruise ship to the Bahamas, or take your own boat?? :hide:
 
Ok. Now tht that's settled: Take a Cruise ship to the Bahamas, or take your own boat?? :hide:
Fly to the Bahamas and then charter. Great fun. You can charter in Juneau too. There is a fleet of Nordic Tugs awaiting you.
 
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Cruise ships, not just our rinky-dink boats, can be fun too.

That's the most depressing photo I can recall seeing in recent years. Going under the Golden Gate in a cattle car. I can only think of one worse way to travel and that's..... well, no, I can't.
 
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Peter, how about the ferry system. I have been looking into that way to see Alaska. Get off where you want, and stay as long as you want. You can book fishing trips, and do some hiking. Then hop a ferry, and continue the trip.

Back in the last century we rode our motorcycle from Spokane Wa to Anchorage. We rode back to Haines and returned the rest of the way on the Ferry. We enjoyed that very much. I'd like to take my own boat up there some day though.

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Cheers
 
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That's the most depressing photo I can recall seeing in recent years. Going under the Golden Gate in a cattle car. I can only think of one worse way to travel and that's..... well, no, I can't.

... the admission of an admitted anti-social type.
 
Back in the last century we rode our motorcycle from Spokane Wa to Anchorage. We rode back to Haines and returned the rest of the way on the Ferry. We enjoyed that very much. I'd like to take my own boat up there some day though.

Cheers

The "high-point" of Haines is the hammer museum. If you have a choice, choose Skagway and take the train.

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... the admission of an admitted anti-social type.

No. It just looks likes an absolutely hideous way to see the world. The babble of thousands of mindless voices all the time, stupid on-board activities to keep people "interested," jammed into shoreboats, packed into tour busses, led by the nose up trails to listen to the programmed yammer of bored-out-of-their-skulls guides and "naturalists."

I've met too many people on the "supply side" of these cruise ships-- -the tour guides, the activity planners, the purveyors of naturalist tours, see-the-glacer helicopter rides, salmon-dinner floatplane operators, etc., etc., etc. to have any illusions whatsoever that the cattle are seeing anything real other than the passing geography.

I read an interesting analysis of the cruise ship world in a business magazine on some recent flight. According to this article, as the ships get bigger and bigger the emphasis is shifting away from offering tours of places--- Alaska, Carribean, wherever--- to making the ship itself the "destination."

The experience is not where you go and what you see, it's being on the ship itself. The cruise ships are, in essence, becoming theme parks and the activities on board are increasingly being designed to keep the passengers on board, even in port. So said the article anyway. I have no intention of wasting any time or money to find out if it's true.:)

PS The only boat tours that I think would be somewhat enjoyable are the river cruises in smaller boats that let you get off and go overland on your own for awhile and join the boat farther downstream. The one I am familiar with by virtue of our music composer doing a number of trade-off projects for them is Viking. He's done a number of their river tours in Europe and was very impressed with them and with the freedom the passengers have to do their own thing when they want to.
 
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We rode on one of those floating apartment buildings one time. Overall it was average. Average food, average accomodation, average entertainment. I'm glad we did it and even happier that we didn't pay for it (it was a supplier perq). It was nominally a Mexican cruise but what we saw bore little resemblance to Mexico - kind of like those all-exclusive resorts that protect the gringos from the grubby locals. I expect the Alaskan cruise experience would be equally disconnected from Alaska.

With just a modicum of luck between now and May we intend to take Gray Hawk to Alaska this spring.
 
On cruise-ship cruises, we typically walk through the residential districts, the markets, and historical landmarks. An island in the Atlantic:

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Don,
The ferries have great appeal but they are not as much fun as they used to be. People sleep everywhere .. on the floor and in the cafeteria. .

Eric,

That sounds like the Greek ferries. On an over night trip you can get a decent room with a shower on some Greek ferries. On deck and in the lounge people are every where. The Athens airport hardly has room to walk for people sleeping on the floor at night. The ferries are still a great way to get around among the islands.
 
Peter, how about the ferry system.

I used to do relief work on the AMHS and one of the best trips is on the "Tusty" (Tustumena) the ferry that runs from PWS to Kodiak and once a month goes out to Dutch Harbor and Akutan and False Pass, along with a few smaller villages on the "Chain Trip."

That run is not made in the Winter so the first one in the Spring is a big thing for the villages and is what I call a "real National Geographic experience." The village kids and women spend the Winter making crafts, berry jam, and beachcombing for Japanese glass fishing floats, I bought a milk crate full once to give as gifts to friends in the "lower 48." A lot of foreign visitors made that trip just for the experience and I can promise that there is not a mass market cruise ship in existence that can come anywhere close to what the Tusty offers.

The SE runs are pretty much bus routes but still a quantum measure above the floating hotels with regard to seeing the country and meeting people who are not employed by the cruise company to sell you the same stuff they sell in the Caribbean.
 
PS The only boat tours that I think would be somewhat enjoyable are the river cruises in smaller boats that let you get off and go overland on your own for awhile and join the boat farther downstream. The one I am familiar with by virtue of our music composer doing a number of trade-off projects for them is Viking. He's done a number of their river tours in Europe and was very impressed with them and with the freedom the passengers have to do their own thing when they want to.
I would agree with that, and from reports from friends, the Budapest to Amsterdam river trip is superb, and I'd rank that above the Alaska cruise even, comparing reports from patients who have done both. Maybe one day I will be able to make my own judgement...?
Rather ironic really, in view of the commonly held view we docs are all wealthy and doing the tourist thing all the time - in my experience the opposite is more the truth...suffice to say, in my next incarnation I'm going to do something else. A really good golfer, actor or tennis ace would be good. That or the CEO of a large bank maybe - yeah...that would be even better...
 
Hammer museum?

I bet it ranks right up there with the barbed wire museum in Oklahoma, or was that Texas?
 
Walt,
Apparently you missed my point too in that I have no misunderstanding about "up close and personal" and a cruise ship offers far far less of that but most of the potential Alaskan experience is not centered around fish and dangerous animals. In fact many are obsessed by that and see nothing else. I prefer geographical experiences and cultural experiences and historical experiences and weather experiences and flying experiences and boating experiences and hiking experiences and eating experiences or perhaps a canoe trip down part of the Yukon a hike on the north slope and many many other experiences that have nothing to do w hunting and fishing.

I know what I'm getting you for Christmas next year....can you guess?
 
"up close and personal"

A big kiss?
 
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