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Here's a short article from the Waggoner Cruising Guide website, illustrating why a kicker is a good idea on BC's north coast, or any other isolated coastline. (Interestingly, the final bill for this adventure wasn't shared...I bet it was significantly more than a small outboard).

Broken Down on the North Coast | Waggoner Cruising Guide

Do you have an outboard as an emergency 'get home' option? What have you learned, both positive and negative?

Murray
 
I do not but after our engine failure and near engine failure I've done considerable thinking along those lines. What I'd like to see is an OB mount that keeps the OB vertical and allows it to rise or be lowered a substantial amount at the stern. Willy, w a clear stern would be ideal for this mount but I have no idea where to find one.

I read the story and feel the most significant element of it is that this could happen to most ALL the gearheads here. But not Marin and all the other twin engined skippers. I don't have a twin but I CAN arrange for a get home system. If my engine quits again I'll probably be think'in about it then too.

Part of the problem w OBs is that they may not run when ther'e needed. One could run them for 5 minute's every time the boat went out but who would?
 
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Our 9.9 kicker has saved us from disaster on a rocky lee shore at least twice - when kelp had blocked the water intakes and caused the main to overheat. Also brought us back 12 miles or so twice after engine or sterndrive problems, once from part way up into Glacier Bay. And once when steering let go right in the crowded Hartley Bay harbor, with other boats only yards away.

We could have been saved by a tow in only two of these situations. After 40,000 nm cruising, I've had enough such adventures to really love my kicker. Oh, and it's great for salmon trolling.

i do make sure my kicker is running well at the beginning and end of every summer cruise, and I use it frequently through the summer. Basic maintenance is simple but important. Every time we really needed it in a hurry our kicker started right away.

First one was a Suzuki 9.9 2-stroke, and our current one is a Yamaha 9.9 hi-thrust 4-sroke. The Suz moved our CD 22 at 6 knots, and handled the ups and down in the giant waves I mentioned in the other thread. The Yam moves our heavy 26-footer only 4 knots, so we can't always make it against the currents up north. But we can get over to the side and get out of the stronger flow, or stay safe until current lessens. Did that in Glacier Bay.

I just replaced my raise/lower type kicker bracket, worn out after 10+ years (and many miles bouncing along the roads), with a newer and much beefier one. It's WM's sturdiest, rated for up to 170 lb. List $400. Vertical travel 15.5" IIRC. It seems to be much the same as Garelick's sturdiest.
 
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In a past life (decades ago) I used to rock climb, and the thought of trusting everything to just one piece of protection gives me the heebie-jeebies. Being new to diesels, new to boating in general, and wanting to explore the hidden nooks and crannies on BC's north coast makes me think an outboard is a sensible idea.

The people in the above story were incredibly lucky. If it had happened in tighter quarters, in a wind, far away from the Inside Passage, it could have been another fight for survival shipwreck story.

I'm toying with the idea of the Lehr 9.9 propane outboard. It's supposed to come onto the market pretty soon.
 
Crowded Hartley Bay? You must boat in exceptionally isolated waters :D
 
An outboard could be a big help as a get-home engine or not, depending on the situation of one's breakdown.

I've related this in the past----- A long-time friend with a steel-hull deFever (42 or 44 feet, I don't recall which) had a log barfed up from the depths of one of the passes in BC he was traversing just after slack current. The log jammed between one of the prop shafts and the hull in such a way that it kept the rudders from moving. So even though he had a second engine he could not maneuver.

The current, while near slack, was nevertheless slowly carrying the boat toward the cliffs. His attempts to free the log with a pike pole were unsuccessful so he launched their shoreboat which was a 15 or 16 foot Boston Whaler with a 40 or 50 hp engine on it. The boat was kept on stern davits so was easy to get in the water quickly.

Despite the relatively weak current, with full power on the outboard the only thing he could do was arrest the boat's movement toward the cliff. But the current was growing stronger and it wasn't long before even at full power both boats were moving slowly toward the cliff.

Realizing there was nothing he could do to prevent the deFever from being carried into the rocks he told his wife to prepare to abandon the boat and when she was ready he would release the line between the Whaler and the deFever and come get her.

So in these waters, at any rate, with the strong tidal currents we contend with most of the time, whatever outboard one selected to use as a potential get-home motor would need to be capable of moving the boat in the face of an adverse current. Not normally as strong as what my friend was dealing with, but three to six knots is not uncommon even farther south here in the San Juans and Gulf Islands and it can go much faster than that in the narrow bits.

Our Livingston dinghy has a 4hp outboard. If we lashed the dinghy to the side of the GB that motor at full power would move our 30,000 pound boat. And if the motor and gas held out, it could conceivably propel us to a harbor or anchorage. BUT.... not in the face of any sort of current at all. Or wind, for that matter.

And one has to keep in mind the power/speed requirement necessary to maneuver the boat if the waves kick up. We all know how easily waves can shove boats like most of us have around and it takes rudder authority to counter that. A boat like ours moving at a knot or two with a little dinghy motor is going to have almost no rudder authority at all. Probably be okay iif we're crossing a mill pond, not so much out in a bay or the Strait of Georgia in a twenty knot wind.

So I think an outboard could be a practical get-home engine but it would have to be sized for both the boat AND the kind of conditions the boat might get into. And that, as I learned from my friend's experience, can require a much more powerful (and heavy) outboard than one might think.

To our way of thinking, a FAR better get-home solution than a big outboard capable of moving our boat in a maneuverable way in the conditions we are likely to encounter up here, is a second FL120 under the floor. :) We've needed that engine four times so far, and each of those time an outboard of the size we would tend to have on this boat for a dinghy/shoreboat motor (10-15hp) wouldn't have cut it.
 
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Crowded Hartley Bay? You must boat in exceptionally isolated waters :D

The little harbor there was pretty tight - not much space to float around without hitting anyone. And yes we boat in exceptionally isolated waters much of the time.
 
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Here's a short article from the Waggoner Cruising Guide website, illustrating why a kicker is a good idea on BC's north coast, or any other isolated coastline. (Interestingly, the final bill for this adventure wasn't shared...I bet it was significantly more than a small outboard).

Broken Down on the North Coast | Waggoner Cruising Guide

Do you have an outboard as an emergency 'get home' option? What have you learned, both positive and negative?

Murray

there was a discussion on another thread about using the correct parts for the job and your incident is an example of a breakdown caused by using the wrong hose. I'm a firm believer in useing the exact and correct part for the job to avoid incidents like yours. However, no matter what we do incidents will happen and its great to know there are those out there willing to give a helping hand.
 
What I'd like to see is an OB mount that keeps the OB vertical and allows it to rise or be lowered a substantial amount at the stern. Willy, w a clear stern would be ideal for this mount but I have no idea where to find one.

Breeze used to make one. Very popular on Catalina 27s around here. It has a motor mount that slides vertically on two parallel SS rods. Next time I'm at the boat I'll snap a picture.
 
Breeze used to make one. Very popular on Catalina 27s around here. It has a motor mount that slides vertically on two parallel SS rods. Next time I'm at the boat I'll snap a picture.

Isnt what you describe called a jack plate? They are often used with outboards that will be jets part time. There are several manufacturers of them
 
Only 14" of vertical travel and HP/weight somewhat limited.
 

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Trying to get to an outboard on your aft deck in a rough sea is a great way to fall off and die. Also, the outboard may be sucking air half the time as the boat pitches up and down. This idea would only work in perfect conditions in a flat sea. Either take really good care of your engine(s) or get a proper get home wing engine.
 
why not an electric outboard?


As the topic is "get home outboards," a little electric outboard's not going to do squat to move someone's broken-down 30,000 pound-plus cruiser against a current or wind and waves a bunch of miles to a safe haven.
 
Trying to get to an outboard on your aft deck in a rough sea is a great way to fall off and die. Also, the outboard may be sucking air half the time as the boat pitches up and down. This idea would only work in perfect conditions in a flat sea. Either take really good care of your engine(s) or get a proper get home wing engine.

your right, but in a calm sea it is a good idea to use your dinghy motor for emergency power. in rough weather put out a sea anchor or ground tackle and siter out. failing that call channel 9/16 and pray. I have a merc 9.9 high torq kicker that would surely be able to move a trawler of 40 feet. A defever passagmaker or downeaster had the option for a come home motor that ran off the main shaft. Was electric and supposed to generate 7 hp giving 2-3 knts o9ff the generator. Good idea. Anyone out there own one?
 
Isnt what you describe called a jack plate? They are often used with outboards that will be jets part time. There are several manufacturers of them

Maybe. But the ones I see have 2' of travel, not like the ones in your link.
 
Maybe. But the ones I see have 2' of travel, not like the ones in your link.

i got into researching them the year before last when i was having a custom boat built but they all had shortcommings in my book. Seems to me like it would not be dificult to build one with a very long distance of travel out of an electric happijac camper jack and some aluminum channel
 
What I have seen in the past is a mount that slides up and down about 3'. It's basically two tubes. One that attaches to the boat and is fixed and vertical. There are 2 about 18" apart. The other tubes are attached to the OB and are slotted as necessary to slide up and down over the smaller fixed tube.

One would have the OB fixed steering wise and have a typical remote throttle. No gear shift necessary. You'd need a pulley on the front-top of the engine so you can start the engine by pulling UP on the start rope.

I see myself attaching a hose above to the top of the engine so while waves slopped over the engine ther'e would be plenty of air to breath.

I've seen these mounts in the past. Perhaps I should spend some time on e-bay. e-bay isn't what it used to be re boating stuff.
 
If a 10 HP outboard would move my boat against the current and wind, why did they make it with a 200 HP diesel engine?

I have my doubts about a reasonable sized outboard providing satisfatory performance. And of course, it would require carrying supply of fresh gasoline onboard.
 
Eric-- It sounds like something that a competent machine shop should be able to make for you without too much effort. Don't know what the cost would be, though.
 
I do not but after our engine failure and near engine failure I've done considerable thinking along those lines....
Part of the problem w OBs is that they may not run when ther'e needed. One could run them for 5 minute's every time the boat went out but who would?
Sure that`s a good reason not to and not "glass half empty" thinking? I use my inflatable and its 5hp Tohatsu 2-3 times a year (other times we use a F/G dinghy), the motor always starts,needs a few pulls first time, probably getting fuel through.
Issues would be for me: 1. a good strong mounting position, 2. fit it when needed or have it in place all the time,3. is there a risk it gets swamped, 4. fuel storage. Don`t think I`d want to be fitting it when danger threatens and the diesel has failed so I`d want it in situ all the time.
 
Here's the Garelick 175 lb model - looks just like mine:
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Having a small hp kicker OB is very common in the PWN use mainly for trolling. Usually the main engine is to fast so a smaller hp is needed. The size hp is dependant on the size of boat. They are mounted on/to the boat before its put in the water. Many boat have them permenatly mounted. There is a chart 30+ ft out of Everrett that has at least 20+ mou.ted on the back. The are ment to go slow but still make head way. The Eagles main engine is only 165 hp. Our 19ft run about has 140 hp, so it does not take much hp.
 
Ron,
Marin's post about that guy up north w the DeFever was a one in a million possibility. You could boat in those waters for 1000 years and not get in that predicament. Kinda like Marin's anchor. He wants enough holding power so he can anchor in a 100mph wind and not drag. And a 100mph wind IS possible but it's a 200 year event. This redundancy thing can go over the top and the guy w the DeFever is a good example. Marin you seem to be under the impression that tidal currents are awful up the coast but problematic tidal currents are less of a issue up north that down here .. I think. Sometimes I'm surprised Marin dosn't have 3 engines. Marin you don't need enough power in a get home to go 6 knots. Three knots should cover 99.5 % of what will really come to pass so lets talk about the 99.5%. That's what is going to give you trouble. But you're right a 2nd main engine does have that 6 knot capability. And if I was having Willy built new I'd have two 18hp engines installed.

Marin I don't know if a machine shop effort could be cost effective but I have that option as I did work in a machine shop for about 14 yrs.

BruceK,
Yes the gas is a problem. There usually are options though.
 
BruceK,
Yes the gas is a problem. There usually are options though.
My outboard gets lashed down on deck (wish I had a good storage bracket spot), as does spare fuel. I`m horrified when I see an outboard and its fuel supply sitting in a bilge or aft lazarette. Neat and tidy,sure; safe, no way.
 
If a 10 HP outboard would move my boat against the current and wind, why did they make it with a 200 HP diesel engine?

I have my doubts about a reasonable sized outboard providing satisfatory performance. And of course, it would require carrying supply of fresh gasoline onboard.

I've played around with this idea and a ten horse can do the job the problem is getting the engine mounted so the prop is either below the boat bottom or you mount the engine a good distance aft of the stern so the prop gets smoothwater. To close to the transom and i think the water just goes in a circle and the boat dosent go anywere. You dont need a lot of power to move your boat 2-3knts just need the prop to be in clear water. I found that mounting the motor straight alowed me to steer by using the rudder sorta and for tight turns one has to use the outboard. A short or long shaft outboard didnt work well but my extralong shaft high torq merc 9.9 i believe will do the job. I've been thinking of useing it this way on a trawler but as yet i havent done so. The 9.9 won't go slow enough with its big prop on my alaskan the 115hp merc main engine goes slower. That high thrust 9.9 is powerful
 
With regards to outboards staying reliable even though they are not used very much, we have greatly enhanced the reliability of our two and four stroke outboards by running them dry when we know they aren't going to used again for a few weeks or if we don't know at all when we might use them next.

And on the advice off Seattle's top Yamaha dealer we take the extra, easy step of draining the float bowls of all traces of fuel. Even when a motor is run until it stops on its own there is usually fuel left in the bottom of the bowl. What a difference it makes in starting them the next time, even if next time is four or five months down the road.

We now do the same thing with our generator, lawn mower, etc. at home.

And we have started running our outboards, lawn mower, etc. on ethanol-free fuel, which means we can use a fuel stabilizer without the risk of creating a lot of water in the fuel.
 
If you're going to use a dedicated outboard for a get home engine, I really like the idea of a propane engine. It should be able to sit unused for months and start with no problem plus you can store the fuel forever without it going bad. I'm going to buy a 9.9 Lehr when they come out. (Early January?) I've started building a little 14 ft Glen L skiff just for the engine.
 
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