08-21-2018, 08:13 AM
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Senior Member
City: SOBX North Carolina
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Originally Posted by friz
You may be incorrect on the length restriction. I personally own a 28' cabin cruiser on a trailer. As an example of length restriction, what about Bighorn 5th wheels at 40'? Anyhow, the Great Harbor TT 35 is something to look at. Unfortunately I don't currently see a used one. If you do, please let me know.
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Length is not always the issue as it relates to towing trailers of any type. Eight foot six inch beam is pretty standard as it relates to towing 24 hours a day seen days a week across most of the states in the U.S. There are some states that allows 9'6" to be towed without any permits or additional flag vehicles. But this beam is only allowed in daylight hours.
But manufacturers of production boats rarely builds hulls over 26 to 28 foot without a wider beam from the 8' 6" beam for a couple or reasons. People want creature comforts and boats fitted for offshore use don't always like the rolling either, which comes with the narrow beam to length ratio in offshore boats.
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08-23-2018, 06:17 AM
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Senior Member
City: SOBX North Carolina
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I was on the road yesterday and witnessed a 35' x 10' aluminum cat being towed in full traffic conditions without a problem or any assistance from escort vehicles. You cannot do this in many states in this country without additional escort.
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08-23-2018, 06:57 AM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
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Posts: 278
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The Albin 25 has an aft cabin that sleeps 2 and is trailerable, and easy on fuel.
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08-23-2018, 08:52 AM
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Senior Member
City: Lake Ontario
Vessel Model: Trawler Shopping 35-40'
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 107
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw
I was on the road yesterday and witnessed a 35' x 10' aluminum cat being towed in full traffic conditions without a problem or any assistance from escort vehicles. You cannot do this in many states in this country without additional escort.
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In NYS and most others, a single pilot/escort starts at 12 ft wide, among other triggers (length, height, load overhang). Two pilot/escorts usually start at 14 ft width. Below that, oversized load signs and a permit are required. But as you said, it is state dependent, and even areas of a given state.
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08-23-2018, 02:42 PM
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Guru
City: Hernando Beach
Vessel Model: Seaway
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Posts: 506
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Anyhow, the Great Harbor TT35 is something to look at. Unfortunately I don't currently see a used one. If you do, please let me know.
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The TT35 does not fit the OP's requirements by a long shot. The ACTUAL (not the marketing smoke on the website) specs are:
LOA 43 ft.
Beam 10'6"
Weight 10,600 lbs
Draft (outboards down) 24"
Have surveyors report and weight report that proves this. (A classic comment from one of our friends referred to the boat as the Great Hoax TT35.)
Cheers,
Pea
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08-30-2018, 05:02 PM
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#26
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Senior Member
City: Jupiter, FL
Vessel Name: SALTY
Vessel Model: FAIRCHILD SCOUT 30
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 199
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08-30-2018, 05:04 PM
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Senior Member
City: Jupiter, FL
Vessel Name: SALTY
Vessel Model: FAIRCHILD SCOUT 30
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 199
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SCOUT 30-1979 Yanmar 40HP--- Pulls great with a F-250 Diesel ---
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08-30-2018, 05:22 PM
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#28
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 245
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billyfeet
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Here's to swimmin' with bow legged women.
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08-30-2018, 05:25 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Paris,TN
Vessel Name: Slo-Poke
Vessel Model: Jorgensen custom 44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billyfeet
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That’s one sweet rig Billyfeet.
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08-31-2018, 07:42 AM
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#30
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Senior Member
City: Florida
Vessel Name: Chez Reagan
Vessel Model: Cargile Cutter
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 280
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miz Trom
The TT35 does not fit the OP's requirements by a long shot. The ACTUAL (not the marketing smoke on the website) specs are:
LOA 43 ft.
Beam 10'6"
Weight 10,600 lbs
Draft (outboards down) 24"
Have surveyors report and weight report that proves this. (A classic comment from one of our friends referred to the boat as the Great Hoax TT35.)
Cheers,
Pea
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Interesting comment. So you believe the builder is understating the length by 8'? Looking at it as the "glass half full" by your report one is getting 23% more boat for the money! That is one helluva difference. Not meaning to impune the veracity of your reports but it is difficult to swallow that a custom yacht builder (300k +++) would be so loose with their specs.
I have absolutely no connection with Great Harbor other than seeing one on Lake Santa Fe in the spring of 2017. In the distance it had the lines of a classic trawler from the early 20th century. Later talked to them at the boat ramp. Was very interested but it was very out of my price range.
So. why the animosity about these these boats/builder (web page smoke, Great Hoax)? Please relate your experience. I am confident it will be useful.
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08-31-2018, 10:48 AM
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#31
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
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Posts: 245
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miz Trom
The TT35 does not fit the OP's requirements by a long shot. The ACTUAL (not the marketing smoke on the website) specs are:
LOA 43 ft.
Beam 10'6"
Weight 10,600 lbs
Draft (outboards down) 24"
Have surveyors report and weight report that proves this. (A classic comment from one of our friends referred to the boat as the Great Hoax TT35.)
Cheers,
Pea
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Wow, that's a first. Bitching about a Builder that doesn't round up or included the swim platform & bow sprit in the dimensions?
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08-31-2018, 10:59 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 245
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Doesn't look like a hoax to me. If you've been to a boat show lately, where center console fishing boats over 500K are common, you know this is actually a lot of boat for the money. No connection, I just want one!
https://www.greatharbourtrawlers.com/2018-tt35.html
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09-06-2018, 04:53 PM
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#33
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Guru
City: Hernando Beach
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09-07-2018, 07:55 AM
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#34
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Senior Member
City: Florida
Vessel Name: Chez Reagan
Vessel Model: Cargile Cutter
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 280
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miz Trom
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And my confidence in the usefulness of your response was correct. Thank you for the courteous response. Wow - what an ordeal. That is almost a 50% increase over the contract price! The delay in delivery was shameful. If even half of what you say is true, apparently Great Harbor should be approached with extreme caution or better yet avoided like the plague. At $300K I may well be on the other side of the grass before your boat, used that is, is within my income bracket. I still like the concept but disappointed at you being a victim of bait and switch.
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09-07-2018, 08:20 AM
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#35
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 245
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miz Trom
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Wow! I had not seen that thread but it's certainly a cautionary tale for all of us. I understand that your attorney won't let you talk about the problems you had with Great Harbour but can you tell us about the TT35's performance & how the boat handles? I have to say that sitting on the trailer in your driveway the boat looks amazing.
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09-07-2018, 10:22 AM
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Guru
City: Satsuma FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Martin
can you tell us about the TT35's performance & how the boat handles?
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You are assuming the boat is usable.
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09-07-2018, 10:50 AM
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#37
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Senior Member
City: Port Richey
Vessel Name: Olive Oyl
Vessel Model: Scout 30, Caribiana 23
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 245
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donsan
You are assuming the boat is usable.
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That's true. It does sound like there was a lot left to be done to the boat after delivery from Great Harbour & they may not have completed that process. I sure hope they're happy with her after they get everything done.
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09-07-2018, 05:52 PM
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#38
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Guru
City: Southwest MI
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Vessel Model: C-Dory 22 Cruiser
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Yes, maybe GH overpromised and under-delivered, but that is the risk you take with the first of anything. They say never buy a car from the first year of production. As long as GH makes things right in the end I would be satisfied.
First adopters often pay the price of being first.
If you compare the price of similar sized boats to what GH initially priced the TT35 at you might see that GH would have to somehow shift the paradigm to make the boat at a profit for that amount of money. If they succeeded then everybody wins. If they found that they couldn't make it at that price, then apparently they started to cut things to get the price of the boat down to what they were getting for it. It seems that they can't make the boat for what they were charging for it.
That said, GH should have priced the boat realistically and should not try to get their NRE back on the first couple of boats. They should have expected to make the first several at a loss and their business model should have accounted for that.
It seems that the going rate for boats in that size category is about $10-12K per foot for a new boat. GH tried to make it for about half that.
Pardon the pun, but Seapiper might be in the same boat with their 35 that is going for about $5k/ft.
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09-08-2018, 03:54 PM
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#39
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City: Hernando Beach
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Thanks for reading my post #193. Each and every sentence is factually true and is backed up by documentation including video from our lake trial, emails, the contract, the survey, the FDOT weight report, and audio recordings made by the bodyguard who accompanied my husband Dan to his last two visits to the Great Harbour facility during Dan’s attempt to extricate our boat from Mr. Fickett.
It took my husband and I about 5 days to write that post #193, just to make certain that we could not be sued. After I posted it, Flywright sent me a lovely note and suggested that we ask the moderators to close that thread, again for legal reasons. Today I don’t give a fig and will go into more detail.
Incidentally, we have 12 people from TF to whom we have been sending regular email updates with photos concerning the progress of the repairs to the boat, and if you would like me to add you to the email list, please send me a PM with your email address and I would be delighted to add you in.
So far, Mariso has been undergoing a massive redesign of her stern, cockpit and gas tank installation to address several issues including a permanently awash cockpit & tailgate, and tanks installed in violation of ABYC standards. After that she will have all of her ABYC electrical violations addressed. We discovered that the cockpit and tailgate were below the waterline when we had our lake trial of the boat during the survey.
Several other TT35 owners have also contacted us and we discovered that the insanity did not begin or end with us. The saddest thing for me is this: All the boats that I am aware of so far have failed, among other items, electrical portions of their survey. One of the owners reported to me that that when he met with the younger Fickett and the shop manager and a salesman to request repairs for the problems found by their surveyor (a different surveyor from ours), GH shrugged off the bulk of the electrical problems and as happened with us, the builder is not inclined to repair them.
What bears pointing out is that this builder does not care that when all of us eventually decide to sell our boats, the same problems will be found by the next surveyor and most certainly would result in a large reduction of the resale price. This is one reason why my husband and I are having all of the issues repaired before we begin enjoying our boat; the other reason is that we prefer to cruise in a safe & seaworthy boat.
Several TF’ers have commented on the length of the boat with words to the effect of “Hey, you got more boat for your money.” Here is the problem with that. We were promised a 36-foot boat. Our dock is 28 feet long. This bears repeating: Our dock is 28 feet long.
We have not yet attempted to berth her behind our home, because we wanted to get her to the fiberglass shop, American Boatworks, a.s.a.p.
In addition, when cruising, all marinas measure the Length Overall from the tip of the bow pulpit to the end of the boat. Sure, we can exclude the bow pulpit and that brings it down to 42 feet. The outboard brackets are fiberglassed in, so they are integral to the hull. And the outboards, which will always be in the tilted upright position (to keep the running gear out of the water) when the boat is at rest in a berth or on the hook, account for the rest of the length.
My family owned a marina for 45 years, so in my lexicon the LOA is from the tip of the bow pulpit to the end of the swim platform, or in the case of an outboard vessel, to the end of the outboards in the raised position. It was the exactly same for our surveyor who recorded the LOA at 43 feet.
But the builder viciously attacked us and our surveyor for not using his "Coast Guard" measurement of hull only for the length. My issue with this is that when we were shown the little wooden model of the boat before it was built, there were no outboard brackets on the model with the outboards were attached to the stern. The builder also promised us before the boat was built that he did not plan to include a bow pulpit.
While I am aware of the Coast Guard measurement that is hull only for gauging the weight of a vessel, I do not believe that with this boat the Coast Guard would exclude the heavy fiberglass brackets which are integral to the hull.
After the survey, the builder stated that ABYC standards “are only voluntary” (in an email) and which while literally true is not standard business practice in boat building. He also had the gumption to state (in a freakin’ email!) that “your contract does not guarantee you a high-quality boat.” Yes, yes he did.
Again after the survey, one of the builder’s shop managers claimed to Dan that outboard-powered boats “don’t really need to be grounded.” I would love to hear him say that to a judge when the dog owner or person electrocuted in a marina or anchorage sues them.
The greatest thing going on for us now is Kevin and Paul of American Boatworks. These gentlemen have been such a refreshing change from the original builder, who treated us with utter contempt and disdain once he had our downpayment. American Boatworks is a remarkable, classy operation, unlike GH. This explains my boat model name in my signature here.
When we got our survey, we still “owed” the final payment of $20 thousand to the builder. The builder refused to put the boat into our name until he received the final payment, and we could not get the boat insured until it was in our name.
We hired an attorney and a private investigator. The P.I. informed us that Mr. Fickett had been sued numerous times by purveyors and boat owners, and we chatted with one attorney, John Hayter in Gainesville, who informed us that he had personally represented six separate plaintiffs in lawsuits against Mr. Fickett and his various boat companies. Attorney Hayter also knows several other attorneys who have filed claims against Mr. Fickett & his various boat companies. You can imagine what a HOLY $#!T! that conversation was for us.
Our maritime attorney informed us that we had basically two options:
1) Spend upwards of $300 thousand on legal fees to litigate against the builder. This would take years, and during that time the builder could experience a “fire” or other means of going out of business. We could easily win the legal battle and yet never see a dime of our original investment, our legal fees, OR OUR BOAT.
2) Pay off the clown and spend $40 to $90 thousand and have a safe, unique boat.
We are pals with several people who own the GH trawlers (the real trawlers) built before 2007. Those boats are awesome vessels, survey very well, and are beautifully built and designed. We don’t know what happened with GH with the TT35, but it is not pretty.
In my personal opinion, it is because the builder, for whatever reason, decided that he could design the TT35 without the aid of a naval architect. The builder told us before we signed the contract that he had designed the TT35 on a napkin and then handed it over to “his naval architect” Lou Codega. The GH website states that all of their trawlers were designed by Lou Codega, and they call the TT35 a trailerable trawler. We contacted Lou, and he had nothing to do with the design of the TT35.
Live and learn.
Cheers,
Pea
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09-08-2018, 08:12 PM
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#40
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
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I’m just interested in the boat .. if that.
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North Western Washington State USA
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