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Old 05-02-2014, 08:22 PM   #1
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TF turning into Craigslist

Not a big fan of classifieds, but certainly think it's reasonable for active members to be able to sell items here. Would like to think that most transactions would be for items in good condition as they are from and to people within our community.

Recently there have been several ads for stuff from members whose only contribution here seems to be classified ads. IMO, if you don't participate here and want to use the forum as a Craigslist, maybe you need to pony up some greenbacks. On another forum that I'm on, you're prevented from starting classifieds until you have contributed 25 posts.

Have mentioned this to the site team who were aware of the situation. Curious what the membership thinks.

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Old 05-02-2014, 08:26 PM   #2
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I'm fully with you on this, it has turned into CL.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:45 PM   #3
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Honestly, I had to go search for the classifieds. I didn't even know where they were as I never read them. One of the issues with setting a minimum is people doing a lot of padding just to get there, posting posts with no intent other than post count. Regardless they're still free posts on a free site and you have to take that into consideration. I wouldn't say they're then going to be inherently better or worse than CL. Now CL is very useful for certain things.
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Not a big fan of classifieds, but certainly think it's reasonable for active members to be able to sell items here. Would like to think that most transactions would be for items in good condition as they are from and to people within our community.

Recently there have been several ads for stuff from members whose only contribution here seems to be classified ads. IMO, if you don't participate here and want to use the forum as a Craigslist, maybe you need to pony up some greenbacks. On another forum that I'm on, you're prevented from starting classifieds until you have contributed 25 posts.

Have mentioned this to the site team who were aware of the situation. Curious what the membership thinks.

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don't look at it.. I don't
See how simple that is..

But.. post that whine about absolutely nothing really gets to me.

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Old 05-02-2014, 10:34 PM   #5
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There's a lot of pluses and minuses to requiring minimum post counts for that section. It is an issue the Site Team has visited on a few occasions and have had some pretty creative solutions discussed that where ultimately rejected as cumbersome. We always try to err on the side of free access for all. There's been more than a few good contributing members here that initially found the site because of the Classifieds during my tenure here.

I'd like to hear what the members here think, should be an interesting thread.
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I don't think it should be restricted to a post count. If a classified ad is unrelated to our lifestyle, then it should be deleted. More content is better and gives the website more exposure to the search engines.
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As long as the gear is marine/boat related then why not? Maybe something from outside the immediate forum will be of interest to one of us. As pointed out we may have gotten a few new members due to the classified section.

If the ads start to simply become everything and anything, not boat related, then maybe restrictions will become necessary.
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Old 05-03-2014, 12:43 AM   #8
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Classifieds

I found TF through looking for the Classifieds for boats, and have kept an eye on them ever since, but I soon began scouring the rest of the site for any and all info I could glean from people that have "been there, done that."
Checking the Classifieds is less than 5% of what I read now, and as I look at the listings under Classifieds I really don't see anything that isn't related to boating. I would think that having as large of audience as possible for something someone is trying to sell would be considered a good thing. I don't see any other posts in other sections that aren't directly related to Trawlers or the boating lifestyle and it would seem to me to be counter productive to require someone to post a lot of blather just so they could try and sell stuff.
I enjoy immensely the differing views and robust conversations TF offers, to say nothing of the tremendous wealth of info that is so freely and graciously offered by the members, and I hope someday to be able to join in with my own experiences. As I become aware of different styles/sizes/makes/ect. of Trawlers I invariably turn to TF and search the threads and posts for info and views that help me shape my own opinions and theoretical preferences. I haven't had the same experience on CraigsList. I would like to thanks everyone involved here for running and contributing to a wonderfully informative site--keep up the good work!
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It would seem I am one of the offending parties as I have submitted a couple of Craiglist examples. The intent was to instigate a discussion on the quality, price,features, and such of unusual boat sales opportunity. It was felt that some success has been had with reaction comments as was intended.
It surely was never a thought that it would cause heart burn among boaters. Myself on many occasions in reading the title of a submission and opening to read quickly discover the material is not of that much interest and back out. No thought to comment my difference. Just moved on.

I to will look forward to forum member comments.
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Al:

You're not what the OP was referring to. What he's referring to is that at the moment 8 of the most recent 25 threads in classifieds are started by very new posters.

However, they are all relevant to the site so not like could be, just random items. Is it a little bothersome that some people never have participated here but then come to sell something? That's the question I guess. But if that is something that might appeal to our members, then it doesn't especially bother me. If they came to sell many items, using this as a business site it would bother me. Pay for advertising then.

I really see it as something the moderators can handle case by case and not like it's a problem at this time. That said it's not something that interests me as I don't come here to buy anything. But I just don't read the threads. They are also properly titled so it's easy not to open. Only one I saw that bothered me and it's a person with 11 posts since October, all in threads trying to sell his boat and he's opened multiple threads on the same boat for sale. That I would think wouldn't be allowed and I suspect the moderators would look at it if anyone so requested. Even there though it's on topic and not enough to really annoy me, just overdone.

So, in answer to the OP and moderator, I have no issue with the current practice. But then I don't read the classifieds and hadn't looked until this came up. Still I have now looked and see nothing that disturbs me.

One suggestion that the mods might put in a sticky. I'd suggest when items do sell, the OP's ask the moderators to put SOLD in the thread title.
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I don't read the classifieds but wouldn't be bothered by newbies posting stuff for sale. I would be bothered by people posting non-boating items for sale no matter how many posts they've put up.

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I don't read the classifieds but wouldn't be bothered by newbies posting stuff for sale. I would be bothered by people posting non-boating items for sale no matter how many posts they've put up.

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Old 05-03-2014, 07:18 AM   #15
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Apparently I was unclear. No problem with a member who wants to sell a boating related item. When it appears that a persons only purpose here is to sell used stuff as a business, I think the rules should be different.

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You mean this place has something besides stuff for sale? Lucky I post semi-often because I have actually posted craigs lists ads onto this site.....I get more bothered by the tech help on the first line, I would move it toward the bottom of the main page.
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I like open and honest and simple.

Methinks there are many who spend quite a bit of time here and never post.

I would not want to be a position of just tossing an item because trying to make an unusual unneeded item available to someone who could use it is too much of a hassle.

If I just need to make a sale to spend more on my boat - ya gotta problem wit dat?

The potential for good outweighs the bad. Basically just some's pet peeve has been acknowledged. Time to move on. Time on board is a good cure for life's little annoyances. I would have not responded to this thread, except the mods are trying to gauge the thought's of those aboard. There are lots of threads I ignore and that has nothing to do with content. I just use the search or just pop in to see what is going on from time to time.

You guys and gals have a good thing going on here. I belong to another forum where I read every post for years. Some did not like one particular person's style of stating his opinion. Moderation took action and the site is lifeless these days. I prefer having the choice to ignore than having it turn into something not worth stopping by.
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I found TF through looking for the Classifieds for boats, and have kept an eye on them ever since, but I soon began scouring the rest of the site for any and all info I could glean from people that have "been there, done that."
Checking the Classifieds is less than 5% of what I read now, and as I look at the listings under Classifieds I really don't see anything that isn't related to boating. I would think that having as large of audience as possible for something someone is trying to sell would be considered a good thing. I don't see any other posts in other sections that aren't directly related to Trawlers or the boating lifestyle and it would seem to me to be counter productive to require someone to post a lot of blather just so they could try and sell stuff.
I enjoy immensely the differing views and robust conversations TF offers, to say nothing of the tremendous wealth of info that is so freely and graciously offered by the members, and I hope someday to be able to join in with my own experiences. As I become aware of different styles/sizes/makes/ect. of Trawlers I invariably turn to TF and search the threads and posts for info and views that help me shape my own opinions and theoretical preferences. I haven't had the same experience on CraigsList. I would like to thanks everyone involved here for running and contributing to a wonderfully informative site--keep up the good work!
Well..there yah go…the ayes have it I think. By which I mean it appears if it is boat stuff being posted, it's ok, and it would seem the post record of the poster is of much less concern. I get the message here we could relax the post number count somewhat.
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I would suggest that replying to an advert only be done through a PM to the original poster and not allow a classified ad to morph into the typical TF endless sophomoric debate.
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Mr. OCD. I tend to agree with your observation of members with 1 or 2 posts which are simply attempts to sell their trinkets. On the other hand as Mr. Gorgewags noted, it is a potential draw for new members who, whilst following a lead, are attracted to the REAL value TF has to offer.
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