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Old 12-01-2013, 11:49 AM   #21
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Why do the repair?

For most inland cruising the boat should be fine as is?

AFTER the repair , it probably would not be trustworthy to go in blue water with , so why not

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY, and just go?
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Old 12-01-2013, 01:59 PM   #22
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It always amazes me some people's lack of knowledge on what you can actually do with composite construction. I worked with a very well known highly respected composite aircraft company in the defense industry in the 1980s. They had a prototype aircraft that had a warping wing..and on initial flight testing the aircraft was completely unstable. they literally sawed the wings of of the fuselage one day and worked for 3 days to rebond the wings and move all of the systems. They flew it on the 4th day with completely acceptable results. Composite repairs can be made on some amazingly damaged structures. Wet cord halls are typically more of a problem of weight than with actual structural failure. the boat could probably bought and used and then sold at the same discounted rate with a lot less an initial outlay.. provided one can get insurance on that with a survey.
I've always been a fan of the Krogan yachts think they're great value for the dollar.

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Old 12-01-2013, 02:16 PM   #23
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There is an old adage at play here: "With my great ideas and your money we can go a long way."

Unless one has a good heated shed and sound mechanical, FRP and composite skills this would not be a project for the faint hearted. If the previous owners let it go to hell this way, what other surprises are lurking?

I've a friend with a similar vintage KK42 wet hull and all. He elected to do as Hollywood suggests, use as is but first dry it out, find out first where the coring is breached, fix it and then party on. The vessel has made several trips from Seattle area to Glacier Bay as is. But, the rest of the vessel was very nice and needed little attention.
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:20 PM   #24
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How come no one has bought this boat yet? Don't make me do it
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Roguewave please buy this thing and save me.
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Why do the repair?

For most inland cruising the boat should be fine as is?

AFTER the repair , it probably would not be trustworthy to go in blue water with , so why not

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY, and just go?
I was thinking the same thing FF!!!
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Old 12-04-2013, 06:34 AM   #28
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I also made an inquiry and believe was told that engine hours were around 11,000 so this may also be driving the price
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Old 12-04-2013, 06:54 AM   #29
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Why do the repair?

For most inland cruising the boat should be fine as is?

AFTER the repair , it probably would not be trustworthy to go in blue water with , so why not

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY, and just go?
Don't know whether the statement about the repairs will be true or not. But as a very happy Krogen 42 owner my feelings are that a Krogen 42 does not make a very good inland cruiser. Single engine, poor backward visibility, 4' 6" draft and huge fuel tanks are made for long distance open water cruising. There are probably better boats to pick for exclusive use on rivers and the ICW.

Just an opinion

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Old 12-04-2013, 07:13 AM   #30
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Don't know whether the statement about the repairs will be true or not. But as a very happy Krogen 42 owner my feelings are that a Krogen 42 does not make a very good inland cruiser. Single engine, poor backward visibility, 4' 6" draft and huge fuel tanks are made for long distance open water cruising. There are probably better boats to pick for exclusive use on rivers and the ICW.

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I think he meant after repairs ....that's all it would be suitable for...

His faith in composites or those who work with them seems to be less than stellar.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:16 AM   #31
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Here is are the specs I got from broker/advertiser/?:

1984 Kady Krogen 42 Trawler, Mahalo
With a highly sought after Centerline Queen layout this Classic 42 Kady Krogen is ready for a new owner. The new interior, exstensive electronics, cruising accessories, live aboard amentities make her a go anywhere Trawler.
Hull # 65 Specifications:
Original build blueprints from factory
Original owner notes from 1984
Engine – 135 Ford Lehman operation to spec. 11,000 hours excellent running condition – Oil new 2013, ready to go anywhere.
Racor filters new 2013
Complete set of ALL cruising Spar Parts from lights to filters
TSS dripless Shaft bilge is DRY
Generator – Northern Lights Lugger M753K Approx 1,000 Hours Excellent Running condition
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Batteries – New 2013 – 3 8D
Niad Stabilization 2000
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And numerous other features to complement a world class Trawler with storage and cruising supplies. She is ready to go, has approx. 200 gallons of fuel.

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So I am wondering what you all think based on the above, and still confused by "oil canning" reference vs. moisture in hull.

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Old 12-04-2013, 07:57 AM   #32
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With an asking price of $74,900, if you are interested, I would pursue it. Though to make the deal work, the buyer, has to be able to do some of the work. We turned a boat over to a boat yard for insurance repairs. The money poured out ($66K plus) and it hadn't gone very far.
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Old 12-04-2013, 08:27 AM   #33
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Well, I can't think of a lot of better spec'd cruising platforms to start out with, although the reason I have a Manatee instead of a 42" is because my cruising plan is inland, ICW, Loop, etc. with only a jaunt over to the Islands now and then. A stabilized 42', .....if my plans to explore were more outside, I'd be on it, but at least for me, I'd also be on the fixes too, and I'd be listening to the experts at Osprey or Washburn's to tell me how bad (or good) they would be. I''ve got a cored hull too, and being a worry wart, I pull it every year to inspect.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:13 AM   #34
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Lots of cheap boats out there.

Lots of good boats out there.

The buyer is in the drivers seat.

An old girlfriend once said to me when I was hot to buy a car .....
"Well Eric .. maybe a better one will come along".
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With stabilizers and a wet hull it would be nice to have repairs done to insure backing block integrity and peace of mind. Not to mention a 30 year old high hour engine. This would be a costly and time consuming purchase, would somebody please buy it as a TF project boat and give us updates.
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I have an idea; everyone contribute to the Beach Bum fund to purchase and repair this boat.

I will provide a blow by blow commentary with plenty of pictures. Everyone can live vicariously through me.
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Old 12-04-2013, 03:34 PM   #37
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I have an idea; everyone contribute to the Beach Bum fund to purchase and repair this boat.

I will provide a blow by blow commentary with plenty of pictures. Everyone can live vicariously through me.



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Old 12-08-2013, 04:49 PM   #38
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10,000 hours on a Lehman 120 is not that many...

If it hasn't been overheated... Factory calls for a rebuild at 20,000 hours.

Overheat it once, or fail to change the injector pump oil and it will last far less of course.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:06 PM   #39
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With stabilizers and a wet hull it would be nice to have repairs done to insure backing block integrity and peace of mind. Not to mention a 30 year old high hour engine. This would be a costly and time consuming purchase, would somebody please buy it as a TF project boat and give us updates.
If I were after a KK42 I'd buy this one in a minute. It would be a fun project, and if executed properly could result in a very well found cruiser.

My take is different though. The boat would go to a good shipyard I trust and come out looking and being like new 6 months later.

Want a new KK42???

Buy this boat, budget a not to exceed price of $150k for the refit, and have a GREAT boat in the end.

What would a new KK42 cost now days, somewhere around $500K or more?
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:56 PM   #40
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Yeah, I thought the same thing, Kevin. Maybe if I were finished with my own boat, I could talk my Admiral into it. It could work, but you'd really have to "commit" to the 150K budget as if it was going to be that much, and not wimp-out in the end.
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