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Old 12-22-2014, 06:56 AM   #21
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Zillow estimate of $40K is sales record of what we paid for it 18 years ago , when it had was encumbered with a life Estate that took till last year to clear.

There was a house trailer we scrapped instantly that was old in 1970 when installed.

The property next door was sold by a widow that lives in the Dom Rep, who just wanted anything, so took close to the homesteaded tax value.

These death deals do happen , but not often as usually the broker buys it for resale.

The house was too rough inside for a quick turn , so it got sold as is..

There is a similar Jim Walters fix er upper at 12205 Helm that is also 1 1/2 lots , the owner is very much alive and wants $140,000 or so.Has not been down in 5 or 6 years .

Other places that are not in need of moderinization are about $175 to $225 , turn key.

A lot NOT on the water nearby can be had for $15K , with cheap T-C seasonal slip rental, that could be a low buck option.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:28 AM   #22
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Thanks, just goes to show you all real estate is local, and there are too many factors involved for armchair appraisals!

I think I'll stick to the original plan, which is to spend some time cruising and finding places we like. At some point we'll be in the right place at the right time, and a deal too good to refuse will present itself.
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Old 12-25-2014, 07:38 AM   #23
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Photo from across the canal, no gators in sight!
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FF is that from across the canal looking at the lot for sale?
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Old 12-29-2014, 06:28 AM   #25
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YES , it is from across the canal which is about 90 ft wide.

Canal width is important as in different counties the rules differ.

Basically a 20 or 25 ft passage must be left clear, so the passage width is subtracted from the canal width then divided by 2.

The result is how far a vessel can stick out into the canal. Measured from shore to shore.

90-25 =65 / 2 = 32.5 ft. So a cat or try has no problem in the area.

The dock on the property is basic , but fine for up to a 65 ft boat (property width ).

There is also a hurricane rated steel 1 car garage garage on the property.
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:16 AM   #26
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"With NO LAWYERS in the community ,privacy and harmony abound."

Well, I guess that leaves me out, unless retired lawyers are allowed.
Me too, unless semi-retired lawyers are allowed. But, then we'd have to get a legal interpretation of how retired I have to be to be considered "semi". Maybe restrict to private and harmonious lawyers. That should cut down the pool of candidates pretty much.
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There is no Law o Rule against these folks in the community , just they dont seem to be interested in a remote lifestyle.

I would SELL to a lawyer ,for cash only.

Other folks could get owner financing.
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Old 12-30-2014, 07:46 AM   #28
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I would SELL to a lawyer ,for cash only.

Other folks could get owner financing.
Very generous!

For what it is worth, it is getting very hard to find anything remote in FL south of the tropic line except guvmutt owned land like the Glades.
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Old 12-31-2014, 07:14 AM   #29
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>For what it is worth, it is getting very hard to find anything remote in FL south of the tropic line except guvmutt owned land like the Glades.<

Actually here in Glades County about 90% of the land is owned by 3 families.

They will purchase to increase their holdings of adjacent land or will swop an outlying chunk for what they want.

Plenty of land , just its never for sale.

ADD that to the Army Corps nightmare burden of regulation ,

and you will understand why useable waterfront is never cheap.
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Price now , $55K, bring CASH!
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Sounds nice...might be a place to put my boat! thanks

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The TURKEY CREEK subdivision located near the Ortona Lock (1 1/2 miles) was created in the 1970s by dredging and using the fill to raise the land.

About 100 building lots were created , accessed from the Caloosahatchee River which runs from Lake O to Ft Myers.

The East coast can be accessed by crossing Lake O. 48 ft air draft restriction.

The area is considered a Hurricane Hole by most folks , even a commercial marina recognized the potential and opened a storage facility about a mile away.
(River Forest Yachting Center). Florida's Indoor/Outdoor Boat & Yacht Storage & Service Facilities)

The Atlantic 100mi East , the Gulf 50mi+ West , so storms are generally far milder this far inland.

The water level is controlled by locks.

The Entrance depth is about 7-8ft and most canals were dug to 20 ft during initial construction..

The building lot at 1082 Helm Lane, zip 33471 is like most, 65 ft waterfront and 100 deep, at the end of a quiet street.

The lot has a newly rebuilt dock and electric is on the property.

The lot had a water well and septic when last occupied.

Google the location and see if you would like to join this eclectic community.

The area has nice homes many with boats docked behind.
Home owners are mostly boaters of varied backgrounds.

Snowbirds abound, many folks have built their own boats , small aircraft or custom cars.
Many have workshops and are very helpful if you have a project.

No special rules , IF you want your boat or motor home in your yard (although few do ) its legal.
With NO LAWYERS in the community ,privacy and harmony abound.

33471 is listed as Moore Haven by the post office, but most folks use La Belle for shopping, 12 miles away (the nearest traffic light!).

Downtown Ft Myers is about 50 miles away.

Come visit , out dock (we are next door) usually has lots of room.
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Best to come visit to see for your self.

What makes the area unique is its remoteness.

Water front on or behind either coast is Prime , so the buildings and housing are big buck , expensive to build , buy maintain and of course are taxed at Le Grande Palace rates.

55 miles inland from the gulf , the water front does not offer the daily fish killer ambiance, and there are few golf courses .

The houses are more modest, most 1200 to 2000 SQ ft and although Turkey Creek is considered the Gold Coast of Glades County by the tax man the taxes are modest .

Canadians get screwed as they can not homestead.

Price is fifty five thousand US dollars ($55K) And thats FIRM.

Non homesteaded taxes are in the $700 area for the lot and improvements.
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Canadians get screwed as they can not homestead.

Price is fifty five thousand US dollars ($55K) And thats FIRM.

Non homesteaded taxes are in the $700 area for the lot and improvements.
Not just Canadians get screwed. The Homestead Exemption and Save Our Homes only apply to Florida residents with drivers licenses so it is not a good deal for snowbirds. There is a way around that if you are a couple. One spouse becomes a Florida resident and the house is bought in that spouses name and that spouse claims the home as a permanent residence. Unfortunately, mortgage companies don't like to finance it that way so this is more or less limited to cash buyers. Also, if one spouse if a Florida resident and property in another state is owned jointly, it may be necessary to deed that property to the non Florida residence spouse.

Over time, Save Our Homes and the Homestead exemptions can save you big time. If we were to sell my house to out of staters, they would end up paying almost twice the property taxes we pay. But a new Florida resident only gets the Save Our Homes benefit from the time they establish it as a their permanent residence so it would years to build up the benefit we receive.
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Not just Canadians get screwed. The Homestead Exemption and Save Our Homes only apply to Florida residents with drivers licenses so it is not a good deal for snowbirds. There is a way around that if you are a couple. One spouse becomes a Florida resident and the house is bought in that spouses name and that spouse claims the home as a permanent residence. Unfortunately, mortgage companies don't like to finance it that way so this is more or less limited to cash buyers. Also, if one spouse if a Florida resident and property in another state is owned jointly, it may be necessary to deed that property to the non Florida residence spouse.

Over time, Save Our Homes and the Homestead exemptions can save you big time. If we were to sell my house to out of staters, they would end up paying almost twice the property taxes we pay. But a new Florida resident only gets the Save Our Homes benefit from the time they establish it as a their permanent residence so it would years to build up the benefit we receive.
Florida Homestead laws are very specific in that a married couple may only have 1 Homestead property in Florida and none in any other state irregardless or whether the properties are jointly or individually titled.

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Florida Homestead laws are very specific in that a married couple may only have 1 Homestead property in Florida and none in any other state irregardless or whether the properties are jointly or individually titled.

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If that be the case, I am aware of some violators and apologize for the bad information. They violators don't advertise it but you can find some interesting information looking at real estate information on county websites. Kind of wonder how any state can enforce that as a couple could be separated, have different names or other situations.
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If that be the case, I am aware of some violators and apologize for the bad information. They violators don't advertise it but you can find some interesting information looking at real estate information on county websites. Kind of wonder how any state can enforce that as a couple could be separated, have different names or other situations.
I agree with you that it's unlikely that you would get caught. When I talked to the Lee County tax collectors office, they were very clear about one Homestead exemption, period. Keep in mind, violation of this law is tax evasion. They play for keeps when it comes to collecting their revenue.

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The penalty when they catch those violating the home stead exemption is paying back ten years of the real estate tax with interest that was illegally avoided. It's only a matter of time before the department of revenue will cross reference tax records.
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Folks that worry about FL homesteading simply get DIVORCED.

Living together is no longer a Sin , and the savings in tax extortions is large.

Wills and pension hassles are std for most Liars for Hire.

Depending on the area 75% or more of property sales are ca$h.
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