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Old 03-08-2018, 10:03 PM   #41
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There was a Choey Lee motor sailor in New Orleans for a few years until Hurricane Katrina took out the marina. It had a flag blue hull and was drop dead gorgeous. I swore I would have one some day and take her to the South Pacific. I have no idea what happened to that boat or if it managed to escape before the storm.

Move on 10 years and a heart surgery later and I knew my dreams of sailing the South Pacific were over. So I bought a CL with a pair of Caterpillar iron sails.

I did survey a 90’ CL motor sailor in the early 1990’s that had the problems Cappy 2008 described. It had been well and truly neglected by a professional gambler owner. I have never seen one that had been maintained properly that had these problems. I don’t know much about the smaller production sailboats though. Maybe they were afflicted with the mid week disease. I don’t know. All the big boats are custom made though and tough as a brick outhouse.

Even my boat, that had been somewhat neglected by the owner and I had bought with the idea of restoration, was sound structurally and mechanically. It had good bones. Still does.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:11 PM   #42
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I don’t think it’s overpriced. I have been watching these for years. Never seen one go for less than $350k.
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Yeah. I've been eyeing that one for a while.
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Talk me down y’all. Think I’m in love.

The initial price doesn’t scare me so bad, but the upkeep dollars and time required might overwhelm me. Seems like the kind of boat I would have to live on to keep up with everything.
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Cardude,

No, we didn't get aboard. Coincidentally we (she) decided to pursue our current boat as I was looking at airfare to Santa Barbara.

I still really really like her, for many of the reasons mentioned by others. We plan to go to the South Pacific in a few years if not dead by then. I think the CL would be a delightful and comfortable way to go there. They seem scarce, so resale may be OK if she is pampered. I would love to get aboard.

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I think the remarks about Cheoy Lee yachts is infair, I had one for years and Sailed her over 10,000 blue water miles over the years. She was rock solid, and never had issues.
She was a Hong Kong built boat. The CL Motorsailer's are well respected boats and I personally knew of a few that crossed the Pacific at the time we did. There were a bunch of Cheoy Lee's in Santa Barbara as the Brokerage there was the largest west coast sales office for Cheoy Lee Yachts. They are beautiful boats with great teak interiors.
From what I have seen in the past this boat is in great shape and a good price.. definitely a lot of bang for the buck
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:19 AM   #47
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Here is another one, not quite as nice, but.....https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats...hore-50/213897
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Old 03-09-2018, 06:18 AM   #48
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"Nice. So aren't "Motor Sail" boats designed to run with both motors running with sails up?"

Hardly ever, in this day and age,although it can be done.

Inshore and in a calm the engines provide both propulsion and lifestyle, DC power , same as most sail boats.

Offshore the sails are large enough to provide propulsion from a modest breeze (say 7K ) on up , depending on wind direction.

The old 50/50 MS days are long gone , the modern MS can maintain whatever speed the owners desire , frequently with no noise or stench.

For an ocean voyager the MS gives the best options between speed and on board work and travel costs.
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If the slip is in Santa Barbara and it will transfer with the boat, it has a value equal to the price of the boat in some respects. I talked to the marina manager about five years ago regarding getting on the waitlist. Long story short, unless you are 22 years old, don’t bother.
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Hi, something the same in design, the price is but considerably higher + trumph new tax and no masts. Dutch steel boat.


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If the slip is in Santa Barbara and it will transfer with the boat, it has a value equal to the price of the boat in some respects. I talked to the marina manager about five years ago regarding getting on the waitlist. Long story short, unless you are 22 years old, don’t bother.

Yeah not sure if the slip is available. I did see on the marina website that if the slip transferred there is a pretty good sized fee to do so. Goes by the foot, and I think it was like $22k for this slip.

Isn’t there also ad valorem tax on boats in CA? How much is that?
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Yeah not sure if the slip is available. I did see on the marina website that if the slip transferred there is a pretty good sized fee to do so. Goes by the foot, and I think it was like $22k for this slip.

Isn’t there also ad valorem tax on boats in CA? How much is that?
Santa Barbara has a very " interesting " situation on slips, when down there last year the current value of a 35' slip was around $ 75,000 +-. You have to pay a transfer fee to get the slip into your name ( $ 200-$450 per linear foot of the total length of vessel and overhangs) plus fees to a lawyer to do the transfer. It gets really expensive really quick.

And yes Cali also charges a personal property tax on boats. The reason it costs so much in SB is that it is the absolute best place in Cal to have a boat.
I'm still kicking myself for selling my slip there.
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Here is another one, not quite as nice, but.....https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats...hore-50/213897

The above is'nt a CL motorsailer

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I don’t think it’s overpriced. I have been watching these for years. Never seen one go for less than $350k.
Is that asking price in the YW ad when it sells or the actual sale price? There can be a large difference between the two.
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Santa Barbara has a very " interesting " situation on slips, when down there last year the current value of a 35' slip was around $ 75,000 +-. You have to pay a transfer fee to get the slip into your name ( $ 200-$450 per linear foot of the total length of vessel and overhangs) plus fees to a lawyer to do the transfer. It gets really expensive really quick.

And yes Cali also charges a personal property tax on boats. The reason it costs so much in SB is that it is the absolute best place in Cal to have a boat.
I'm still kicking myself for selling my slip there.
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I’m not a California savvy guy, or a real estate expert by any stretch, but could a case be made that because of this location in SB, even after slip rental, property tax and maintenance, it could still be considered a decent deal as a “waterfront condo”? And then you get the advantage of going cruising if you want.

Can a boat be run as a business in CA so one could expense these annual costs? Maybe rent it out a few times as a dockside vacation “condo” a few weeks out of the year? That always sounds so scary to me however. So much stuff a non boat person could screw up.

Just spitballing. Trying to justify big boats is interesting. Lol.
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Is that asking price in the YW ad when it sells or the actual sale price? There can be a large difference between the two.


As I said, never seen one go for less than $350k. Watched for years. My budget was $250k all cash. Was never enough to get any interest from a seller. And I REALLY wanted one. Sigh.
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I’m not a California savvy guy, or a real estate expert by any stretch, but could a case be made that because of this location in SB, even after slip rental, property tax and maintenance, it could still be considered a decent deal as a “waterfront condo”? And then you get the advantage of going cruising if you want.

Can a boat be run as a business in CA so one could expense these annual costs? Maybe rent it out a few times as a dockside vacation “condo” a few weeks out of the year? That always sounds so scary to me however. So much stuff a non boat person could screw up.
I lived in SB in the 80's, and visit regularly but I have never had a boat there, so Hollywood or others with more info can correct me if I am wrong on the following:

I don't think they allow live a boards, especially not new ones. If there is a live a board list, you will probably be over 100 years old when they call you.

Boat rentals or operating any type of business with your boat - I am going to guess no way that will allow that, but again, that is just my impression from talking with the harbor master awhile back.

Keep in mind SB is a small marina, very high rent area. Getting a guest dock there alone is tough. The harbor master said they won't take reservations, and they won't even talk to you on the VHF about a reservation until you have hit the harbor entrance. First come, first serve, was what he told me.
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Yeah not sure if the slip is available. I did see on the marina website that if the slip transferred there is a pretty good sized fee to do so. Goes by the foot, and I think it was like $22k for this slip.

Isn’t there also ad valorem tax on boats in CA? How much is that?
$22K for a slip aint much. The market value of my 75 foot slip is now $275K. I paid $81K for it, about 15 years ago.
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$22K for a slip aint much. The market value of my 75 foot slip is now $275K. I paid $81K for it, about 15 years ago.

It totals up really quick,

$ 75,000 for the right to pay $16.00 per ft. a month. ( $560 a month)

Plus a $300 a foot for the lease transfer fee ( $ 10,500 )

And there is a fee for the county property tax.

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