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Old 11-05-2018, 04:29 PM   #1
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Inland and River Motorsailer

We are looking to retire in the next year or two. After retirement we will be living in the Pickwick lake area on the Tennessee River. Planned cruising will be on the river/lake systems, up and down there Tenn-Tom to Gulf, longer trips to the Keys/Bahamas, and the Loop at some point.

I like what I see looking at motorsailers. I have been reading some on the Schucker 436. It has 3.6" draft, 40-42' bridge clearance, decent size single diesel, sails more for motor assistance, deck stepped mast, and good price range (I am seeing 50K- 85K in searches).

Curious on others thoughts on a motorsailer for inland/river? Also, suggestions on other possible make/models?
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:31 PM   #2
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What is the bridge clearance in the area you plan to sail? That would be my only concern about that boat.

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There are some very nice Schuckers available. Shop around as there is significant variation. Some are factory fitout; some were sold for fitout by owner.
If you plan on a lot of inland river use, look for one set up with a self tacking job. Theyíre very handy in narrow water.
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Inland and River Motorsailer

I really like the Schuckers. There are some nicely refit ones out there at times . I looked at them pretty hard before getting my boat.

My boat is pretty similar to a Schuckeró 4í draft and a only a 40í mast. The self tending jib def comes in very handy since I often single hand my boat.
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What is the bridge clearance in the area you plan to sail? That would be my only concern about that boat.

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My understanding from reading info from loopers is that lowest clearance from Kentucky Lake to Mobile Bay is 52 feet.

Not sure what the height limit and furthest point if cruise the Tennessee River toward Knoxville, Cumberland River toward Nashville, or up the Ohio.
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My friends live on a Schucker (me too, but mine's a mite too small for you!) ... anyway, if you'd like a look see at their boat this article may be of interest to you:

On Island Time (Schucker 440 motorsailer) article on janice142

Island time is a 440, and she's a real beauty.
This is Cheryl and Fred's boat:
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Wind is pretty unreliable in rivers and smaller lakes. Land and trees break up the wind, makes for erratic sailing. No problem in big lakes and wide rivers.

I consider motorsailers like flying cars. Sure it can do both (motor or sail; fly or drive), but neither does both very well.
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Wind is pretty unreliable in rivers and smaller lakes. Land and trees break up the wind, makes for erratic sailing. No problem in big lakes and wide rivers.
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Thanks, Think you misunderstand my intentions. Not really wanting the sail for main propulsion on the rivers. I realize that is erratic and way more tacking that I am willing to do. My thoughts were to have the larger motor in a motorsailer for the river.

When I retire, I will be at the mouth of the Tenn-Tom as my home port. I am thinking I will use the sail assistance mainly after heading down the Tenn-Tom and get on the Gulf, motor mainly on the river, and maybe fair weather sail on larger inland lakes (Pickwick, Kentucky, Nickajack, etc).
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I am thinking I will use the sail assistance mainly after heading down the Tenn-Tom and get on the Gulf, motor mainly on the river, and maybe fair weather sail on larger inland lakes (Pickwick, Kentucky, Nickajack, etc).
Sounds workable. Good luck Cap'n.
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I consider motorsailers like flying cars. Sure it can do both (motor or sail; fly or drive), but neither does both very well.


I often read or hear this quote but I donít really agree. Most motorsailers donít sail as well as a true sail boat due to less sail area, but why shouldnít it motor well just because it has a mast and sails.

My boat is one of 3 motorsailers built by the manufacturer but they built over a hundred full displacement cruiser style power boats which were very successful. The only criticism of these cruiser models was their tendency to roll. This issue is solved with the addition of a sail and a bit of ballast. I donít see any negatives as I donít have limitations in height clearance. There is some additional maintenance but any stablizer system requires maintenance.

I see the addition of sails only as a plus.
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I donít consider my boat a true motorsailer because it really doesnít sail well using the sails alone, but more of a displacement trawler with sail assist/stabilization.

We looked at the different stabilizer options but felt a smallish sail rig was the best option. Paravanes would have provided more roll control than sails, but the install on my boat would be problematic and I didnít want to lose the speed since Iím already a slow boat. Plus, the thought of a get home system (or get somewhere is more accurate if enough wind) seemed appealing.

I think (but have no real data) that most ďmotorsailersĒ probably use the sails along with the engine at the same time predominantly for roll control and maybe a little extra boost from the wind, so they understand the limitations and are not trying to be the best sailboat out there or the largest motor yacht/trawler/whatever.
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Just a thought if the boat is at some point going to do the loop, the mast has to come down for the Eire canal about {18 to 19 feet) Possibly the Trent Severn, And for sure Chicago (about 17 to 18 ft.) Sailboats do it every year so its a nuisance not impossible.
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Motosailors can be beautiful and both motor or sail well, if you have the dough. This one is a beauty.
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Just a thought if the boat is at some point going to do the loop, the mast has to come down for the Eire canal about {18 to 19 feet) Possibly the Trent Severn, And for sure Chicago (about 17 to 18 ft.) Sailboats do it every year so its a nuisance not impossible.
Thanks. I figured we would have to drop a mast on the loop. But want to make sure I find something I can go up and down the Tenn-Tom without having to drop the mast.

Pretty sure that is going to limit me to a boat with bridge clearance under 52ft. I am not sure what my limit for bridge clearance if I go on Tennessee to Knoxville or Cumberland to Nashville.

Anyone know the limits on Tennessee, Cumberland, Ohio? Should I ask about those limits on a separate thread?
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